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So here we are- KS2 SATS Week...

849 replies

ampere · 14/05/2012 08:15

Feeling more nervous than DS2!

He's 'borderline', particularly in Literacy. He'll be so happy if he gets a 4 (as will I!) so off he went just now with me offering my last minute bon mots ('Read carefully! Most of the answers are in the text! If it doesn't make sense, you've not read it properly' etc).

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Iamnotminterested · 16/05/2012 10:43

With respect TheOriginalSteamingNit why are you worried if your DD is scoring 19 or 20 on the mental maths??

Double figures would be nice here...

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 16/05/2012 10:56

I'm not terribly worried about the mental maths in itself, but I'm worried she might get herself in a tizzy over the longer paper and come out of school upset and annoyed, because she's quite an irascible child! And when the first thing she says when I see her is 'god it was SO ANNOYING' (insert anecdote about maths, friends, choir being off, having PE with the nasty teacher) I know we are in for a long moan out of which she will not be coaxed!

SeaHouses · 16/05/2012 10:57

Perhaps I'm just getting too sensitive for MN. But I'm not sure why you feel the need to write off other people's experiences of disruptive behaviour by pupils as some kind of Daily Mail moral panic, Seeker.

I guess it is human nature though, to deny a problem exists just because it doesn't apply to you.

Still pretty rude of you though.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 16/05/2012 10:58

I didn't mean so much that maths was a thing I worried about her score in, as a thing which worries her whenever she has to do it, if that makes sense.

KOKOagainandagain · 16/05/2012 11:02

Mental maths is DS's nemisis - he is dyslexic, dyscalculic, has very low working memory and auditory processing difficulties . Unfortunately, he cares deeply and so his self-esteem is going to be on the floor today - any tips to make him feel better?

RustyBear · 16/05/2012 11:03

Haven't been in the SATs for a couple of years, so I can't compare. There were a couple of tricky ones, but I didn't think it was too bad overall.

RustyBear · 16/05/2012 11:05

Just finished mental Maths, that didn't seem too bad either - I was with the middle set (of 3) and they all seemed pretty happy with it.

mumsneedwine · 16/05/2012 11:09

As a marker I'm not sure how the level 6 thing will work ! We mark the papers blind, so don't know what school they are from, and just have candidate numbers, and it's unlikely I will get level 5 & 6 from the same school. You should get your kids raw scores for both tests when published, as should their next school. But as not every school in my local area are taking level 6 papers (we ask at primary liaison) my school will be disregarding them ! We test them 2nd week in, do CATS and use their teacher assessment mark from year 6 (yup, they all get one of those) to set them in week4. And only 3 people changed sets in current year 7 so we got it almost right.

seeker · 16/05/2012 11:10

'm sorry, SeaHouses.

But I get riled at all the dismissing of schools as full of "problem families" and "chair throwers" It's so rude and dismissive- and it must be largely hyperbole. For example, someone down tread said that their school was Ofsted "outstanding" but full of swearing and chair throwing.which just doesn't make sense.

And I find the generic term "chair thrower" incredibly dismissive and unpleasant.

bringbacksideburns · 16/05/2012 11:11

My son will struggle at this. Top of the class in all matters relating to english and reading etc but, like me, has problems with and hates maths.

Hopefully when he goes on to year 7 he will get the additional help he has been getting at primary.

simbo · 16/05/2012 11:11

That's very reassuring RustyBear. I hope my ds is happy when he comes home. Like many others on here I'm not so bothered what he gets but I don't want him upset because he feels he did badly. They still have another paper tomorrow and any negative feelings from today wouldn't be helpful.

They all just want it over and done with so that they can get out the rounders stuff/paints etc, don't they?

bringbacksideburns · 16/05/2012 11:15

Have noticed he seems a little more teary/emotional than normal this week. We had a bit of a blowup at the beginning of the week when he was trying to convince us everyone in the class was going to bed at 10pm on a Sats night.

I have made an effort not to quiz him about them or talk about them much. Just ask how his day went.

SeaHouses · 16/05/2012 11:27

I'm sorry too Seeker. I was over-reacting due to being in an overly sensitive frame of mind about unrelated matters. And you are right that the term 'chair throwing' does have some dubious implications.

simbo · 16/05/2012 11:30

They all just want it over and done with so that they can get out the rounders stuff/paints etc, don't they?

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 16/05/2012 11:31

I've not heard of chair throwing, but dd1 did sit next to an unpleasant boy all through year 7 who would drink energy drinks and then belch in her face all lesson. Maybe face-belchers would be a less loaded term?

simbo · 16/05/2012 11:32

sorry, stupid machine doing it again. Must be to do with reloading the page.

startail · 16/05/2012 11:37

Keeponkeepingon

Best wishes for your DS, my dyslexic DD1 hated the mental maths.

All tables and number bonds at high speed. It's a nightmare if your working memory is poor.

All I can say to cheer him up is I don't think DD has ever done any mental maths at senior school.

choccyp1g · 16/05/2012 11:38

^Mumneedswine: "only 3 people changed sets in current year 7 so we got it almost right"> or the children performed according to the teachers expectations.

I'm convinced my DS gets put in higher sets for literacy simply because he is so good at maths. So far he has managed to keep up at the bottom end, but I'm sure if he were in the middle sets where he deserves to be, he would drift to the middle of the middle.

Our school are apparently sending the writing papers to the new school to use for setting; along with the teacher assessments, SATS reading scores etc. Given that he thought balloon ride task was "boring" (how???) he might come out in a lower set.

On the other hand no-one in our school is doing l6, despite the fact that several are secure 5as in either (or both) literacy or maths; hopefully the secondary schools will see for themselves where they belong.

seeker · 16/05/2012 11:51

"On the other hand no-one in our school is doing l6, despite the fact that several are secure 5as in either (or both) literacy or maths; hopefully the secondary schools will see for themselves where they belong."

I would imagine that 5as and 6s would be in the same set anyway, so no need to worry about that.

KOKOagainandagain · 16/05/2012 11:58

Oh dear - its worse than I thought - I have been in denial about the content of the mental maths test. DS only knows 5s and 10s - he says he knows 2s but only because he can add 2 numbers together - 8 x 2 is the 8 times table to his mind.

SchoolsNightmare · 16/05/2012 12:04

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simbo · 16/05/2012 12:09

I think you are right, seeker. My ds doesn't want to do L6 maths because he doesn't want to be thought of as 'bright' and given harder work to do. If he is a secure 5 he'll be in that set anyway, as not all schools are doing the extension papers.

I'm never going to get the ironing done, am I?

bigTillyMint · 16/05/2012 12:30

There's no danger of DS being given a L6 paper, and I have no idea whether the school is doing them anyway!
Just had a sneaky look at the maths paper A - some tricky questions, including one with a pie chart and percentages - not sure DS has encountered one like that before!

littlelegsmum · 16/05/2012 13:07

Sorry if I offended you seeker :( feeling so bad right now. I only have my personal experiences to go off.

Dd has only been at this school since last September and came from a school where there was only a couple of those things I previously stated. Yet their Ofsted report was "good" . . Something is not right there somewhere :(

Once again these are my very person experiences so I am very down trodden.

I've spent so much time recently researching the difference in results of the 2 and it's amazed me at how many children are working at low level 3's at her present school (who say this is great and they are achieving well) and where the children are working at . . As opposed to her previous school where there wasn't a child who worked at below level 4 in yr 6.

Based purely on this any my experiences I know dd's previous school had more expectations of the kids throughout the school life and haven't piled pressure on when preparing for sats this year. While her current school changed everything and moved the children around so much so that my dd who's not interested in school and exams at all and in general very oblivious to these pressures, (poss aspergers)! turned into a different child.

What I'm not sorry for, is feeling that way and admitting that's the difference between the schools.

Ps dd was bullied and left vulnerable by previous school, which is why we HAD to move her :(

IndigoBell · 16/05/2012 13:22

Keeping - if your DS is working below a level 3 in maths he should not be sitting the maths test :(

Is he a level 3?

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