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So here we are- KS2 SATS Week...

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ampere · 14/05/2012 08:15

Feeling more nervous than DS2!

He's 'borderline', particularly in Literacy. He'll be so happy if he gets a 4 (as will I!) so off he went just now with me offering my last minute bon mots ('Read carefully! Most of the answers are in the text! If it doesn't make sense, you've not read it properly' etc).

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simbo · 15/05/2012 20:34

So what's in the atlantis set then? Are they a similar level? They seem pretty easy to me compared with the sort of things ds has been bringing home.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 15/05/2012 20:39

Considering they are taken by the whole year group and should be testing the level 3 DC as well as the level 5, they seemed quite hard to me. If the top level 5 DC get 18 or 19 out of 20, then that has tested them adequately. But if the level 3 DC only get 1 or 2 right, then the range isn't suitable.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 15/05/2012 20:40

Bloody hope the maths isn't unusually hard.

Feenie · 15/05/2012 20:40

I know a few KS2 teachers who remember the marking problems with English writing and now have very little faith in a sensible outcome...

We are being externally marked, pointythings - the mark given will have no bearing at all on the children's teacher assessment, which will have to be returned before the results are back anyway. So a sensible outcome for all . They are purely for the government to check standards. (Said as one of those teachers who has had HUGE wrangles with marking reviews in the past).

littlelegsmum · 15/05/2012 20:46

Well, I'm going to be a right moaning mum now (again I hear you say)

I really am a little lot miffed at dd's paper being marked internally. Her levels have always reflected her 'trying' so hard, but just not getting it. Do I get to see a copy of these papers or can I ask to see the copy once they're done with?

Too many discrepancies in their levels already this year!

Also, DD will definitely have struggled with those spellings

LaBelleDameSansPatience · 15/05/2012 20:56

Littlelegsmum: Can you imagine only doing English & Matchs for 5 months!?!?!? With the new OfSTED regime, which only focuses on skills which are assessed ie maths and literacy (and probably science), that is the way schools will have to go - but altogether, not just in year 6.

pointythings · 15/05/2012 20:59

Feenie thanks - that reassures me as I was worrying that all the benchmarking DD's teacher and her team have done - including having work marked by teachers from other schools who did now know the child - was going to go for naught.

I seem to recall from previous years that markers don't have to be teachers - that sits badly with me. I have faith in DD's teacher, I've seen how she marks and how she presents her analysis of DD's work so as to set out points for improvement. I would not have that same faith in someone who was doing SATs marking as piecework.

Am not too worried about the spellings, DD eats spellings for breakfast and has a vocabulary the size of Manchester. I just hope she doesn't get cocky about maths, especially the calculator paper - she is capable of making sloppy errors.

pointythings · 15/05/2012 21:06

BelleDame I worry about the new OFSTED regime too. It'll be all work and no play, teacher bashing all round - I mean, the things Michael Wilshaw says!

I'm in favour of children being challenged at school. I am not in favour of 'all must have prizes'. But this drive to return to the 1950s is not the answer either.

Feenie · 15/05/2012 21:13

Indeed - they used students one year . Been there, got the t-shirt and had my own double page spread in the TES moaning about it!

LaBelleDameSansPatience · 15/05/2012 21:25

Waves to Pointy, in a resigned and rather hopeless fashion.

teacherwith2kids · 15/05/2012 21:31

OK, can someone explain to me (I teach in a school in a 3 tier system, so don't have a Year 6 teacher to consult)...

How will Year 6 DS's writing level be arrived at?

His school has gone down the external marking route, and he sat the relevant papers today. Is the level that will be reported to us
a) the teacher assessment mark?
b) the externally marked paper mark?
c) some combination of the two?

And how do the Level 6 papers interact with this???

(Not bothered, just curious. DS's secondary school only sets for Maths from SATs results, otherwise classes are mixed ability in Year 7)

CuriousMama · 15/05/2012 21:32

Ds2 said he didn't do those spellings?

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 15/05/2012 21:36

I got two sets last year. SATs results, from the externally marked exam and teacher assessments which included speaking and listening. They actually all tallied, which was nice. Teacher assessment included science.

This year, not so sure. Some schools only TA and internally marked SATs, some with externally marked ones like yours and mine.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 15/05/2012 21:37

Curious, there were at least two sets of spellings, one on Atlantis, one on Dragons. Which did your DS do?

teacherwith2kids · 15/05/2012 21:39

No idea - and he's in bed fast asleep so I can't ask him. His school plays SATs VERY cool and he has definitely caught the 'I'm not at all stressed about this' bug' to the extent that all I know is that today was 'fine'...and that he wanted Jeremy Strong to come to visit the school.

Feenie · 15/05/2012 21:41

Even if the papers are externally marked, the only writing level reported will be teacher assessment.

teacherwith2kids · 15/05/2012 21:43

So what you are saying is that, for DS, none of the writing he has done today can or will influence his actual writing level at all, because they will be marked but the teacher will not have the information about the mark in time to inform her reported assessment at all? (Quite pleased, really)

He's doing the Level 6 writing paper next week. Will that also have no influence?

Feenie · 15/05/2012 21:43

All schools have to report a TA for reading, writing, speaking and listening, maths and science. There will also be a test level reported in reading and maths.

CuriousMama · 15/05/2012 21:44

Ellen he didn't say just not those. He's still awake so asked him. Think he's wired with all the lucozade and polo mints they had?

Feenie · 15/05/2012 21:45

I don't know about the externally marked service - we are an externally marked sample, and ours will certainly be back too late to have any bearing on the TA. It's supposed to be a best fit against many pieces of writing anyway, like KS1.

CointreauVersial · 15/05/2012 21:48

Well, today seemed to go well for DD1, particularly the bacon sandwiches and hash browns.

She certainly did the diary entry about the balloon ride; not sure what else. She said her teacher marked the short papers while they were doing the long ones, and commented to her afterwards that it was a lovely piece of writing, so she's feeling pleased.

Those spellings! They seem tough for a 10yo. Hope she did OK.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 15/05/2012 21:50

CuriousMama, glad he decided he liked them after all!

CuriousMama · 15/05/2012 22:03

I know! He's such a funny boy

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 15/05/2012 22:04

I have one of those at home as well, though ASD, rather than AS. He loves polo mints.

WhizziesMum · 15/05/2012 22:15

We are not a sample school so haven't sat the writing paper yet. Interesting to read that the genres have now been made public! I'm guessing that's why externally marked papers won't be returned to schools in time to influence teacher assessment- as this definitely wouldn't be fair!

Does anyone know yet how the English score will be combined this year??

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