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Teachers and Parents, please help! Please,really don't know what to do!

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TheRoundTable · 08/04/2012 18:31

Hello!

I have got a child in Year2 and even when in Year 1,her teacher complained about her 'up and down' learning. She'd understand a concept one day and be totally lost on the same, the next day,particularly in Maths. I've tried everything or at least I think so-backing off, simple games online cbeebies/cbbc,bite-sized chunks regularly,strict approach-but we come back to this point of frustration!
Some days, she solves quite tricky problems-knows her doubles which she uses to solve near doubles,finds differences between numbers,addition and subtraction in her head,so can do 67+24 or 67-24,and word problems,e.t.c.
One day,she's telling me we need 7 4x if 4 apples cost 7p each and would say two 7s are 14 and two 14s are 28 so 28p.

Some days? She's totally lost! I have tried going back to the basics over and over and over! The frustrating thing is I lose my temper sometimes and then she gets it! I can't begin to fake losing my temper before she learns? And of course her teacher can't do that,so she is not doing well at all at school. I am tired of helping her at home,because it's like we keep going round in circles,thinking we are making progress at some point and then boom! All out the window again!

I don't think she has any special needs and her teachers do not think so either...

Will be very grateful for any advice offered. Thank you!

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mrz · 10/04/2012 17:19

Oh dear Sad

IndigoBell · 10/04/2012 17:22

Seeker - Particularly if they pick up snippets of information from forums like this and take it as gospel. - It is totally patronising of you to assume that just because someone has a child with SEN they are not capable of doing their own research and coming to their own decisions. (or that they are broke) (or that they are vulnerable )

However, if they have not heard of TH or AIT or RRT, then they truly can't do their own research and come to their own decision.

It is fine for you to be sceptical about alternative therapies. It's fine for you to not touch them yourself. It's fine for you to trust school and professionals.

It is not fine for you to protect other posters from information about alternative therapies.

You are pleased that my children have improved - but you don't want other people to benefit from my hard won knowledge. Confused

seeker · 10/04/2012 17:31

All you have to do is say "I believe....." or "This is what worked for me...." My issue is with categoric statements.

I apply the same level of scepticism to school and to any professional I come in contact with.

At no point did I say that people should be protected or are unable to think for themselves. You are a person whose word carries weight on this forum. As such you need to think about the impact your words have. If you say categorically "Dyslexia can be cured" people will believe you, why shouldn't they?

mrz · 10/04/2012 17:34

Can I ask how you feel about those people who say Dyslexia can't be cured seeker?

seeker · 10/04/2012 17:59

I think they should say " dyslexia is not curable by conventional methods- some people report encouraging results from alternative therapies, but these have not been authenticated scientifically"

mrz · 10/04/2012 18:16

but some of the "cures" that have been reported over the years are the results of scientific studies from Harvard Medical School, New York University and the University of California...

then you get statements such as There is no cure for dyslexia; it is a condition similar to being born left-handed. Dyslexia Institute

The NHS was more cautious
While there is currently no cure for dyslexia, there are a range of specialist interventions and treatments that can help children with dyslexia with their reading and writing abilities.

and then of course we have the much quoted
Professor doubts scientific validity of dyslexia

seeker · 10/04/2012 18:22

Well, personally, I would say something like "dyslexia is a condition that some people are born with, and there are a range of strategies that can be tried so the effect on their lives is is a minimal as possible" Or something like that. It wasn't me that used the "cure" word first!

mrz · 10/04/2012 18:39

but there isn't even a consensus as to what dyslexia is "Dyslexia is a very broad term defining a learning disability that impairs a person's fluency or comprehension accuracy in being able to read,"
National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. 12 May 2010. Retrieved 5 July 2010.

seeker · 10/04/2012 19:11

Ok."Dyslexia is one a a range of conditions which....."

This is a smoke screen. It is wrong to say categorically that dyslexia can be cured.

mrz · 10/04/2012 19:14

It's not a smoke screen it's an attempt to show how difficult it is to say anything categorically about dyslexia ... my LEA for example doesn't acknowledge dyslexia they use SpLD

CarrieMoonbeam · 10/04/2012 19:32

I've had enough of this.

I am writing this reply in an attempt to further reassure TheRoundTable and hopefully give her some pointers as to how she can work effectively with her child's school.

pastoralacademia:

[With regards to SEN, Year 2 is relatively early for specific learning needs to be diagnosed so I really wouldn't worry on that score yet.] IMO there is more harm from this statement than from what indigo and Mrz are saying.

Please focus on the word 'diagnosed'. This does not mean that needs are ignored or that teachers are just waiting until KS2 to highlight difficulties and act upon them. Teachers (and in an ideal world, early years practitioners at pre-school settings - although nationally this is recognised as a bit hit-and-miss at present) will have noted concerns (usually in conjunction with discussions with the parents) from a very early stage and all these provide evidence towards an eventual diagnosis, where appropriate.

At my school (Primary 4-11, NOR 300), we have specific, high-impact intervention groups from early Foundation Stage. These groups have specific targets, related to individual children and to age-related expectations. Some groups have an academic focus, some have a behaviour focus, some have a social skills focus - a whole range. Some groups consist of just 2 children and some (although not at FS) consist of a maximum of 10. Some children of course, receive 1:1 intervention.

All these groups are evaluated on a weekly basis, discussed at team meetings, progress reported to me every half-term (from which I analyse the data and use it to inform school evaluation) and discussed in full with me at every pupil progress meeting. I (or another member of the senior leadership team - which includes my SENCo) monitor/observe these groups as part of our monitoring schedule. The are effective, successful and fun. No child feels 'picked on' or embarrassed about being in an intervention group. I know this because I do actually talk to the children and we discuss this. Furthermore, no child attends these groups for longer than they have to.

Therefore, at no time are any needs ignored or swept under the carpet.

I have seen literally hundreds of children, from all sorts of different backgrounds, with the same characteristics as the TheRoundTable's dd, eventually progress according to age-related targets and reach expected levels (i.e. with no special needs). This progress and achievement has invariably happened as a result of support instigated by the school and in most cases, by parents and teachers working co-operatively together. I hope that TheRoundTable finds this direct experience reassuring.

It may be, of course, that there is a specific learning difficulty. I would advise TheRoundTable to continue to work co-operatively and communicate effectively with her dd's school - in this way, difficulties, problems and worries can be brought to the fore at the earliest opportunity.

I am aware, of course, that not all schools/teachers/HTs/SENCos offer the same level of support and willingness to work with parents. As a headteacher, I am committed to raising standards within the profession and would, as I have said before, encourage parents to enter into a co-operative, non-confrontational, non-accusatory dialogue with the school to ensure the needs of their child(ren) is/are being met. Most teachers and headteachers I know welcome additional information parents can provide on any subject. There have been occasions when as headteacher, I have had to intervene - usually in cases where the teacher has become defensive as a result of parents being aggressively confrontational. As a result, time was wasted and parent teacher relationships came close to breaking down, neither of which was helpful for the child in question.

As a parent myself, I know only too well that it is very easy to lose objectivity when discussing your children - this is why procedures and policies are in place. Not to obstruct discussion but to aid it. I would therefore advise that you follow these procedures and policies at all times.

TheRoundTable - I do hope you find this helpful and that it provides some sort of benchmark or guidelines as to what you can expect from your school. As an aside, the SEN and FS provision at my school was judged in our last Ofsted as outstanding and as part of my role, I advise other headteachers within my local authority on assessment. I will stay on Mumsnet for now so that you can email me again for further advice if you like.

mrz · 10/04/2012 19:42

Could you explain your high impact interventions and when they take place Carrie?

CarrieMoonbeam · 10/04/2012 19:58

Not in a general sense no - all are different, according to the age and needs of the children. Did you have a specific age/need in mind?

mrz · 10/04/2012 19:59

No I'm a SENCO responsible for 3-11 year olds

CarrieMoonbeam · 10/04/2012 20:12

Yes, I had gathered that. So what exactly did you want me to explain?

mrz · 10/04/2012 20:15

I'm always interested in finding interventions that actually get results.
In my LEA schools work together and share such information but it really doesn't matter

CarrieMoonbeam · 10/04/2012 20:19

Yes so do we :) I'm a great believer in visiting other schools and sharing strategies and give all my staff non-contact time to do just that. No one school/LA has all the answers!

pastoralacademia · 10/04/2012 20:28

Sorry again I was busy cooking dinner:)

[usually in cases where the teacher has become defensive as a result of parents being aggressively confrontational. As a result, time was wasted and parent teacher relationships came close to breaking down, neither of which was helpful for the child in question.] Confused Isn't your post away too defensive?

Please spare me the details, I know how schools work and I know how much time is allocated to meetings and how much to ACTUALLY DOING. I don't know about YOUR school and I'm not really that bothered about you CV either. I have a feeling you are not used to having your views challenged but I believe this forum is a place for it. It is a place where people have debates so no need to be defensive. You are not at YOU school here.

Sargesaweyes · 10/04/2012 20:42

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mrz · 10/04/2012 20:44

Has anyone diagnosed her child?

CarrieMoonbeam · 10/04/2012 20:54

I do apologise pastoralacademia, I believe you wrongly assumed my post was directed at you. It was not. I used your nickname merely as a reference to what had been said.

My post was primarily directed at TheRoundTable in order to offer support. As her child is at school, I thought it would be useful to offer an insight as to what can be done in school as she may not be aware of the options.

That's all :) No need to get nasty :)

pastoralacademia · 10/04/2012 21:03

Carrie I really hope that there are caring people out there who will do everything possible to help the children in their care. I am glad you are staying on this forum :)

Sargesaweyes · 10/04/2012 21:35

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scummymummy · 10/04/2012 21:39

I think your school sounds fab, Carrie.:)

Sargesaweyes · 10/04/2012 21:40

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