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Devastated at videos on 11yo phone

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Highlandcows · 12/11/2021 21:25

I’ve been active on mn a while but have name changed for this post.

I have 3 dd ages 11, 9 and 7.

Their dad and I separated 5 years ago and we’ve lived apart and co parented ever since. We do 50/50 which has always worked well and the kids have always seemed happy.
We’ve both been in new relationships for the past 3 years.

Tonight I could hear inappropriate words in a rap song coming from my dd’s phone (bitches be sucking on my dick) I asked to see what she was looking at and it was an innocent TikTok video with this rap song over the top of it. She said her friend (a girl) had sent it to her and saved it in her phone. I said how inappropriate the words to the song was, she said she knew.

Anyway, dd’s are in bed now so I decided I’d delete the video from her phone. She’s always been happy for me to look in her phone before, she’s not tech savvy at all so would ask me to open up a new internet search page for her, or show her how to start a new message chat etc.

Anyway, I went into her camera roll and deleted the video. Then went into her deleted photos album so I could permanently delete it from there.

It was in the deleted album I then saw it.

2 videos. Both taken a month ago in what looks to be one of the bathrooms in my house by my daughter.

The phone appears to be propped on the floor up against the wall while she’s sat in front of it. Trousers and underwear down, pulling her vagina apart, touching herself.

The second video is of her crotch, this time with her trousers on but clearly her hand is down her trousers/underwear and she’s touching herself.

Both are less than a minute long.

I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch either with the sound on yet so I don’t know if that might shed any light on things.

I don’t know what to do. I would never ever have expected this. I probably sound like a cliche, but she’s the sweetest, quietest, girl. She’s a very young 11. Started secondary school in September but is one of the youngest. But she’s not only young in terms of age, but in terms of how she acts too, she’s almost babyish in some ways. And so innocent - or so I thought.

As far as I know school has been going well and at the moment has stuck mainly with the same group of girls that moved up from her primary school so not been mixing all that much with many new kids yet. But there’s no denying she was at a primary school with a total of 120 kids in it, to a secondary with 1200 kids in it. The primary school was a tiny village school, probably all very sheltered and innocent in comparison to what she probably sees and hears others talking about at secondary.

But I’m still so shaken. How did she even know about this sort of stuff. I know they do sex education so she’ll be aware of things, but this?

At home she’s just like a typical little girl, loves drawing, arts, crafts, making things, barbies, loves animals etc. she’s so good. Don’t get me wrong me and her dad have both experienced her lazy preteen attitude coming out on occasion, and stropiness every now and then, but I’d have said she was a typical 11yo girl.

What do i do? How do I handle this?

I’ve been through her phone with a fine tooth comb, looked at all message chats to see if these videos have been shared/sent to anyone. They haven’t been. Checked internet history, nothing inappropriate there. She doesn’t have any social media or email etc.

If I bring this up with her, how do I even begin? She will be utterly mortified and embarrassed knowing I’ve seen them. I’m even worried that it may alter our relationship beyond repair. If I think back to when I was younger, if my mum had had to bring something like that up with me, I don’t think I’d have ever felt the same around her. I can’t bear to think of her not feeling comfortable around me.

But I just don’t know what to think. Could it be that she’s just starting to experiment with herself?

I feel sick, physically sick. Not that she might just be growing up etc, but the thought that perhaps there’s something more sinister to it all, although I’m not sure what.

Please help. Im sorry if this is rambled.

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Aquamarine1029 · 12/11/2021 21:27

An 11 year child shouldn't be on TikTok, and they definitely shouldn't have unfettered access to a cell phone.

You need to have a very serious talk with her, and the phone has to go.

Sleepinghyena · 12/11/2021 21:32

@Aquamarine1029 Do you you have high school aged dc's?
All Y7's have a phone and the vast majority of them have Tik Tok.

Budapestdreams · 12/11/2021 21:32

You have checked thoroughly and she doesn't seem to have shared it. It is probably her way of exploring her body.

Make sure you have iron clad parental controls on her phone and tell her you will be checking her phone regularly.

I wouldn't mention the videos but have chats and establish rules about not taking photos or videos of herself, she's too young.

Michellexxx · 12/11/2021 21:32

You absolutely have to talk to her. Be open and ask her questions, let her explain her thought process.
As a teacher, I hate to say I have seen these kinds of videos be sent around. With no intervention, she could end up doing this.
It won’t be a comfortable conversation but explain why you were on her phone- you are looking out for her and are, rightly, worried about what online life is like for many kids.
You then have to set clear boundaries. Tik tok/Twitter/Snapchat do not have clear restrictions on graphic content; your daughter will be able to access this if it’s shared to her.
I feel for you, it must be devastating but you must discuss this openly, and frankly, with her.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 12/11/2021 21:36

Are you certain she doesn't have an email account? Was she going through TikTok without logging in as generally creating an account requires either to log in via your social media or through an email address?

Highlandcows · 12/11/2021 21:37

[quote Sleepinghyena]@Aquamarine1029 Do you you have high school aged dc's?
All Y7's have a phone and the vast majority of them have Tik Tok. [/quote]
Agreed, all year 7’s have phones. She doesn’t have TikTok, Snapchat or any other apps on her phone. She is able to message and call people. This was a video sent from a friend (who I know well), and saved into her camera roll.

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vdbfamily · 12/11/2021 21:37

OP I have been there with DD at same age, also youngest in year. Unfortunately they had been requested by older boys and we had to involve police and safeguarding lead at school.
If you are sure she has not shared, I would take the opportunity to discuss the dangers of ever sharing such things and delete them and I don't think there is any problem letting her see how shocked you are. Not with the action itself but the filming of it. I would definitely explore the reason for it.
We took daughter off all social media for a long while( like over 2 years) and kept checking her phone very regularly.

Aquamarine1029 · 12/11/2021 21:37

[quote Sleepinghyena]@Aquamarine1029 Do you you have high school aged dc's?
All Y7's have a phone and the vast majority of them have Tik Tok. [/quote]
My children are young adults now in their 20's, so yes, I have dealt with all of the phone issues, thanks. Young children need to be very diligently supervised, and their internet usage monitored very closely, which should be obvious.

sjxoxo · 12/11/2021 21:38

Agree with @Aquamarine1029 she shouldn’t be on Tiktok. I would sit down with her and look at what apps she is using on her phone.. I think at 11 you still need parental controls. No Instagram/ticktok/Snapchat/Facebook. I think aswell you need to educate her on how vulnerable you can be online (there must be educational videos to help show this) and how videos/photos should not be shared (better yet not taken!) for very obvious reasons. I think you need to get cosy & comfortable with educating her on these things for her teen years to come or she’s going to be increasingly vulnerable online. You don’t need to tell her you’ve seen the videos; I would maybe consider deleting them if you think that’s sensible. She’s not going to ask if you have is she. The rap music video is a good starting point for you to sit down and educate her on keeping safe online. Good luck xxx

Highlandcows · 12/11/2021 21:38

@HalfShrunkMoreToGo

Are you certain she doesn't have an email account? Was she going through TikTok without logging in as generally creating an account requires either to log in via your social media or through an email address?
Absolutely 100%. She honestly wouldn’t even know where to begin. When logging into her school email the other day I had to do it with her.
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ballsdeep · 12/11/2021 21:38

@Aquamarine1029

Get off your high horse FFS.

I'm sorry this has happened op. I would have a serious chat with her. Hopefully it was nothing more than experimenting.

ditalini · 12/11/2021 21:38

The video of her propped up sounds like she's seen porn and is acting out what she's seen.

I drew some pictures based on some porn mags (pre internet) one of my friends had found in her brother's room and shared at a sleepover at a similar age - my mum found them and it was utterly mortifying.

This is a different world now though. It might just be that she's seen/heard something that made her feel "funny" and she's just exploring, but you need to find out if she's been asked to do it and have the talk about how sharing photos/videos is illegal/potentially out there forever.

EarringsandLipstick · 12/11/2021 21:38

Hang on. There are conversations to be had, but don't conflate separate issues.

She does need appropriate social media guidance, limits, regular phone checking & parental controls. Which it sounds like you have. So that's ok.

The videos of her exploring her body are very normal, I don't know why you feel so upset. The only thing I'd be upset about is violating her privacy.

You should not discuss the videos with her.

You should generally talk about the issues around videoing herself, never sharing it, and make her aware, without mentioning the videos, that you'll be regularly checking her phone, what she's using & what's on it.

Apart from this at all, keep talking to her about sexuality, her body & how it's changing & make her aware that you're there to answer any questions she has.

Aquamarine1029 · 12/11/2021 21:39

[quote ballsdeep]@Aquamarine1029

Get off your high horse FFS.

I'm sorry this has happened op. I would have a serious chat with her. Hopefully it was nothing more than experimenting.[/quote]
How am I on some high horse? Confused

EarringsandLipstick · 12/11/2021 21:40

The video of her propped up sounds like she's seen porn and is acting out what she's seen.

That's a massive reach.

PomegranateQueen · 12/11/2021 21:40

You have checked thoroughly and she doesn't seem to have shared it. It is probably her way of exploring her body.

I wondered the same, I remember doing similar in a mirror at that age.

I wouldn't say that you have seen them, she will be mortified, but as a PP says best to chat with her about taking videos and pictures and how they can end up being shared all to easily.

Highlandcows · 12/11/2021 21:41

I know she isn’t on any form of social media, her dad and I don’t allow it. So if it’s been shared it will have been via messages.

I can’t even see any numbers saved that I don’t know.

I know I need to discuss this with her as the thought of her being vulnerable and getting herself into a situation in future terrifies me.

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Highlandcows · 12/11/2021 21:41

@PomegranateQueen

You have checked thoroughly and she doesn't seem to have shared it. It is probably her way of exploring her body.

I wondered the same, I remember doing similar in a mirror at that age.

I wouldn't say that you have seen them, she will be mortified, but as a PP says best to chat with her about taking videos and pictures and how they can end up being shared all to easily.

I think this will be my approach initially. I also remember using a mirror when I was younger (phones weren’t a thing).
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Whatinthelord · 12/11/2021 21:42

@Michellexxx

You absolutely have to talk to her. Be open and ask her questions, let her explain her thought process. As a teacher, I hate to say I have seen these kinds of videos be sent around. With no intervention, she could end up doing this. It won’t be a comfortable conversation but explain why you were on her phone- you are looking out for her and are, rightly, worried about what online life is like for many kids. You then have to set clear boundaries. Tik tok/Twitter/Snapchat do not have clear restrictions on graphic content; your daughter will be able to access this if it’s shared to her. I feel for you, it must be devastating but you must discuss this openly, and frankly, with her.
I agree with this. It’ll be an uncomfortable situation but maybe that will underline the fact that any personal video or picture could be seen by others.

Don’t act angry just let her know you want to keep her safe.

ditalini · 12/11/2021 21:43

Nah, I don't think so. Taking pictures of her genitals so she can see them more clearly out of curiosity - normal. Would have done the same if I'd had a phone at that age but had to use a mirror instead.

Replicate the male gaze while masturbating? No, I don't think that's something an 11 year old comes up with out of their own head. But hey, different times maybe they do.

Michellexxx · 12/11/2021 21:43

@EarringsandLipstick

Hang on. There are conversations to be had, but don't conflate separate issues.

She does need appropriate social media guidance, limits, regular phone checking & parental controls. Which it sounds like you have. So that's ok.

The videos of her exploring her body are very normal, I don't know why you feel so upset. The only thing I'd be upset about is violating her privacy.

You should not discuss the videos with her.

You should generally talk about the issues around videoing herself, never sharing it, and make her aware, without mentioning the videos, that you'll be regularly checking her phone, what she's using & what's on it.

Apart from this at all, keep talking to her about sexuality, her body & how it's changing & make her aware that you're there to answer any questions she has.

I don’t think these are entirely seperate issues.. the worry, and trend, is that these videos end up online. It is perfectly normal to explore your body, but she didn’t need to film it. Just having these videos on her phone could be dangerous. If another pupil at school got hold of it and found them, for example.
Lilolily · 12/11/2021 21:43

We had mirrors, they have phones.

Queenie6655 · 12/11/2021 21:44

@vdbfamily

OP I have been there with DD at same age, also youngest in year. Unfortunately they had been requested by older boys and we had to involve police and safeguarding lead at school. If you are sure she has not shared, I would take the opportunity to discuss the dangers of ever sharing such things and delete them and I don't think there is any problem letting her see how shocked you are. Not with the action itself but the filming of it. I would definitely explore the reason for it. We took daughter off all social media for a long while( like over 2 years) and kept checking her phone very regularly.
Frightening and it's so sad

Poor them they feel the need to do this

MynameisJune · 12/11/2021 21:44

If she has sent this via text message or WhatsApp and then deleted the message thread you won’t find the sent messages. Even worse if she has the app Kik.

You need to ask her if she has sent it to anyone and if not she needs a talk about internet safety and the fact that these things are out there forever.

If she is so shy and innocent I would be very worried that she is being groomed by someone, somewhere.

Seasonschange · 12/11/2021 21:45

I think you need to talk to her and tell her what you found so you can ask her outright if those videos have gone anywhere. I know you think you’ve checked her phone and she’s not tech savvy but if someone is requesting those videos from her they could also be telling her how to cover her tracks.

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