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Prepping for pandemic...

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wheresmymojo · 26/01/2020 13:46

I was quite blasé about the novel corona virus outbreak but things I've read today have changed my mind.

I'm not usually a prepper but best things to stock up on for a pandemic?

Surgical face masks?
Latex gloves?
Anti bac wipes and hand wash?

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RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:00

@ohyoubadbadkitten,

First and foremost, memories of SARS in 2003. This was very badly handled by the authorities, and initially covered up, resulting in hundreds of deaths. Plus it’s not just about the death rate, many who survived have lifelong respiratory issues, reduced life expectancy, etc. This is still very raw. Hong Kong was ground zero of that epidemic, and the economy suffered very badly.

Second of all, proximity to China. Wuhan is a long way away, but as the virus crossed through all provinces of China, it was inevitable that it would find its way here pretty quickly. The border between HK and China has many entry points, and typically 100,000 crossings per day by train, tube (MTR - our tube network goes all the way to the Chinese border in Shenzhen), ships/ferries and roads. And Hong Kong airport is a huge transfer point in Asia. 50% of all passengers at HKG are on a connecting flight - typically on a route to/from China and the rest of the world. So we have a huge number of Chinese visitors coming to Hong Kong every day.

The crisis is exacerbated by the fact that Hong Kong is not a democracy. We’ve had a very difficult year in 2019 with protests, which were handled appallingly by the government (appointed by Beijing). In recent local elections, 80% of voters supported pro-democracy parties, i.e. against the establishment/Beijing. This means that the current government enjoys no support whatsoever from the bulk of the population. People don’t trust them to do the right thing for a Hong Kong, the general sentiment is that they are subservient to China first. There is no confidence in public officers.

The medical workers‘ strike is in response to Hong Kong’s refusal to shut the border with China. Medical workers say they are overwhelmed and that the vast majority of patients under observation for corona are from China, not Hong Kong (we have different passports and id from China). Hospitals are at capacity already. They’ve been asking the government to shut the border to put the safety of Hong Kongers first. But the chief executive says this would be discriminatory against China. They’ve introduced measures to reduce the number of visitors, which has now gone done by about 30%, but many people are saying this is not enough.

The local press is of very low quality (I can’t vouch for Canto newspapers, just talking about the English media), and social media fills the gaps. This leads to lots of rumours being spread, leading to panic.

People wear face masks pretty routinely in Hong Kong, so as soon as the bad news started about corona, everyone wanted to get face masks, so of course shops ran out. This was made worse by Chinese New Year, when things are typically running more slowly. After masks ran out, it was antibacterial gel, then dettol wipes. Soon people started worrying about their food supplies - Hong Kong imports virtually all its food, mostly from China.

After you’ve seen empty supermarket shelves for a few days, and people queuing for hours (it’s usually like going to Sainsbury’s - I’m not talking about wet markets here) to get food, you think “next time I can get some food, I’ll buy as much as I can”. That’s a rational reaction to other people stockpiling, and of course leads to more shortages, and more panic.

I will stop here - sorry it’s a bit of a novel! 😳

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:09

Thank you for the good wishes. 💐. We’re all doing fine. But my kids are going stir crazy - they haven’t been outside the flat in over a week. I can’t imagine keeping them confined for another 4 weeks, that’s not healthy. The health authority advice is to avoid social gatherings, so we can’t have friends over - besides a lot of our friends have left. Up until two days ago I thought we would tough it out, but yesterday when the education board announced that schools will be shut until some time in March, I decided we better leave. DH is staying here (working from home, with a freezer and pantry full and lots of 🍺 and 🍷) and I’m flying out tomorrow with the kids. We’re going to France. The school is setting up distance learning.

During SARS schools shut down for two months, so we may be there a while!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/02/2020 16:09

Don't apologise! I'm really interested to read what you have to say on it. It's an insight that is impossible to get sitting on the other side of the globe just reading media/social media.

It sounds like Hong Kong is generally understandably very unsettled at present due to a combination of factors?

Were you there during SARS? I appreciate it was 17 years ago!

ChilliMayo · 01/02/2020 16:10

Re vegetables
I use Milton fluid a lot in my work, the large 5l containers. On the back it gives you the recommended dilution rate for washing veg. I only noticed this in the week. Soak for 15mins and then rinse well.
If you feel it necessary...

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:11

@Misandra, yes the coronavirus is airborne. Droplets in the air, eg sneezes, coughs, or even just breathing can cause contamination.

By contrast, many other viruses (Ebola, HIV) are only transmitted through bodily fluids.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/02/2020 16:12

Interesting to hear that many people are leaving. I can understand that. No one wants to be cooped up worrying about food.

ChilliMayo · 01/02/2020 16:12

Dettol surface cleanser spray specifically mentions Coronavirus on its 'kill list', I wonder if it is effective against this strain.

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:19

@OhYouBadBadKitten, I wasn’t here during SARS, I was in Canada, where we also had a SARS crisis - 44 people died. But I was young(er) and carefree - i didn’t have children then...

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:24

Oh and new experience for me - I had my temperature checked at the bank today!

YappityYapYap · 01/02/2020 16:26

There's not a single person that has mentioned the fact that coronavirus is a respiratory virus and China is a heavily polluted country with poor air quality. That in turn makes the lung function of the general public in China quite poor. So someone living in China with poor lung function is bound to suffer from the virus worse than someone that is living in the highlands of Scotland for example.

If the virus was to have broken out somewhere like New Zealand for example, I think far fewer people would have died and it wouldn't be affecting people as badly as it is in China. Basically living in China, especially in the large cities and heavily populated and polluted areas and facing a respiratory virus = bad. Living in the UK in a small town, the countryside or even a city = not so bad. We don't really have to worry. Healthy people don't have to worry. Immune compromised people and the elderly do need to be careful though

GorkyMcPorky · 01/02/2020 16:27

@Revolution, thanks for your insights. Of the fairly established rumour of an internet blackout in China, do you think that might be true? Obvs if you have no general contact you wouldn't know anyway.

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:34

@YappityYapYap, how do you explain the fact that Canada had one of the worst outbreaks of SARS, a similar coronavirus ? Toronto, which was the foyer of infection, isn’t known for being highly polluted.

I’m not saying you are wrong, but is that just conjecture or do you have evidence to back it up?

And by the way, Hong Kong (which is very polluted) has the highest life expectancy in the world...

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:37

@GorkyMcPorky, there are some Chinese MNers who would be better placed to say. Certainly there is no doubt that the internet is heavily censored, but I haven’t heard of a full on blackout.

I have, however, heard that there are cases of the virus in the Uyghur “re-education “ camps in China. I doubt this gets much coverage in the Mainland 😔.

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 16:46

As I was typing the above, another case has been announced in Hong Kong. Someone with no link with Hubei province, didn’t go to any wet markets, didn’t get in contact with wild animals. He’s been coughing since 19 January, and was diagnosed today. In the meantime he went on a cruise, where he could have infected hundreds of people.

This is how some people become super-spreaders...

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/02/2020 16:46

You are unlucky Revolution Grin

The thought of the virus hitting the internment camps is a hideous one. Those poor, poor people.

YappityYapYap · 01/02/2020 16:47

44 people died from the Toronto SARS outbreak (that can be put down to it unfortunately getting to immune compromised people) and only 375 were infected. It's not the same at all. An outbreak of a respiratory virus in a place like China is bound to have more casualties and deaths than anywhere else due to the obvious logic that it is very polluted, over populated and air quality is so bad in some parts that people wear face masks whenever they go out.

Only having poor air quality won't necessarily shorten your life expectancy, so that explains the long life expectancy in Hong Kong but contracting a virus that attacks the respiratory system when you constantly breath in smog and pollution is bound to give you less of a chance of fighting it. So when they revealed some generally healthy people have died, it shocked people but were they actually healthy? As in were their lungs actually healthy from living in China for so long? As far as I know, no one that hasn't resided in China for some time and is healthy has died from it

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/02/2020 16:48

x-post. I guess it's reassuring that the man was well enough to go on a cruise, but flipping heck...

YappityYapYap · 01/02/2020 16:57

China also has 350 million smokers, another issue that could be making it more of an epidemic over there

NaturalBornWoman · 01/02/2020 17:02

As far as I know, no one that hasn't resided in China for some time and is healthy has died from it

Well we don't really know specifics about who in China has died, and the spread outside of China is very recent so we don't yet know if anyone will die as it's too soon to say.

Parker231 · 01/02/2020 17:12

DD is a student at York Uni but currently on a placement abroad until Easter. She has been messaging with her flat mates, everyone is fine and carrying on as usual.

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 17:15

@Ohyoubabdbadkitten, I swear it wasn’t me! 😁

@YappityYapYap I have to take issue with your statement that the SARS outbreak in Toronto only killed immunocompromised people. Because that is categorically untrue. In fact, many doctors, nurses and paramedics, in their 40s and 50s, and previously healthy, died. Dozens were infected while looking after their own colleagues. www.toronto.com/news-story/19519-sars-victims-and-heroes-remembered/

The SARS fatality rate was actually higher in Canada than in many Asian countries, which are much more polluted. In fact it was almost double (11%) the mortality rate in China (6%) (if you believe Chinese statistics).

I get that these are hard truths, and it is a natural reflex to want to find a point of difference so that we can reassure ourselves that we are not at risk - as you are doing, by suggesting that the virus is more deadly in China because of pollution. But I have genuinely never seen anything that backs this up.

GorkyMcPorky · 01/02/2020 17:20

@YappityYapYap, as you can't know any of this (no-one does yet), it seems unwise to make inexpert assertions.

RevolutionofourTime · 01/02/2020 17:27

Anecdotally, my grandfather fought in WW1, and he always credited his smoking habit for not catching Spanish flu! He said all his non smoking friends got sick, and the smokers didn’t.

There are lots of quack theories and remedies going around on corona, including people saying eating kimchi will protect you, the virus cannot survive in Cambodia because of the hot climate, etc.

NemophilistRebel · 01/02/2020 17:27

The conspiracies have ramped up this afternoon it seems

I’ve been sent links to so many different ‘doctors’ reports saying it’s this or that

How’s anyone to know the truth?!

lindtfree · 01/02/2020 17:29

I've definitely read that smokers are among the most vulnerable to coronavirus and are overrepresented among the fatalities so far.

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