40's + Mums and Mums to Be.

[johnworf]

Hello, good evening, and welcome. Our ovaries are tired and withered but we've still managed it despite what the Daily Mail says!

Come on in for a gossip, cake, parenting tips and the nonstop drivel interesting chat.

Newbies welcome :-)

JJ I hope everything is okay and sorry you're having a bad time. Lots of {{hugs}} to you.

Midwife just left, I am discharged although she said she'd ring on Friday just to confirm. Thank god. Now just need to get HV to do the same next Monday and I'm clear!

tee great news You're FREE!!

jw good luck - hope all goes ok and if she has glasses that they're cool!

heron I watched it - and I can't stand tennis!! I was actually quite hooked! Thought that the new roof looked rather fab and groovy.

Just feeling sad because I've clearly spent the last two years with a number of people for whom social mobility / climbing is becoming more and more important. We've obviously been singled out as not fitting 'the profile' and tbh it hurts. They're all meeting up at places behind my back - even though for the last two years it's been our house they've all come to. Never had an invite to most of their houses - ever and now they're all pally and pretending they're not Pisses me off - and the stupid thing is - I don't really care - they're not people I'd be friends with if kids weren't involved. Sometimes I really miss London At least it's in your face and lots of people are direct and say what they think! I find this Home Counties niceness quite lonely and the mums are often devisive.

My lovely pre-baby friend who I'm seeing tomorrow thinks it's being an 'Alpha' female surrounded by subservient mummies - all struggling for a space in the ranking I actually think that's right - but it doesn't stop you feeling lonely and wishing there was at least one sparing partner! Actually there is one nice person - the one i went out with - so I shouldn't moan really. I mean I had talking behind my back today because Iris isn't potty trained yet

Ladies - if it wasn't for being able to vent/chat with you lot - women with babies who have a sense of humour/ wit and opinions then i think I'd go quite potty!!! THANK YOU!!

Apologies for last post - VERY self indulgent...!

jj - sorry you've been so let down. I can see why you feel hurt and your post wasn't self indulgent at all - let it out!!
I know exactly what you mean though. There are so many people I see around that are nice to everyone's faces but quick to criticise behind backs. It's very sad that people can't just be honest. I struggled for years with trying to do the socially acceptable thing - because of the (very unhealthy) environment in which we live as much as anything (despite asserting that I wasn't). It took a while for me to really twig, but I really don't bother with people now if I even get a whiff that they're not genuine (DS1's non-godparents being a prime and very hurtful example) One thing I did find though was that once I let go of the "ties" to disingenuous people, real people came along to take their places quite quickly and I feel very lucky to have real, proper mates now. Sounds like you're on a similar shift so perhaps its time to look forward to better friends now? FWIW I think you seem lovely((hugs))

aww jj ... I know exactly what you mean. Horrid situation. Hopefully today seems worse because of hormones or something else that's adding to it and on another day not too far away you can say 'feck-em all' and concentrate on the better people. But I know this kind of thing stings and hurts (been through it sooooooo many times). Sorry have a hug ((8))

Jeanjeannie how about this

dxx

jj

BAD LANGUAGE ALERT!!!!!

Fuck em!

Just be your fabulous self.

Mumzillas abound everywhere nice people don't it's a sad fact of life

dxx

iris sounds like you know what I mean. Hope you're right about it making a space for nice people! MIL has just rung and she's so lovely - really put it all into perspective.

bonzo you're right - on another day I could say a*se to it all!! But some times it really gets you.

I think much of what hurts is they use Iris as the reason....don't want their kids with 'different' ones. Not that it's catching but that it may somehow bring them down or that they won't be stimulated by her It's become patently obvious now and yet it's not like she's that much different.

dawntigga I LOVE IT - I love that link - have book marked it. That is SO him

dawntigga Cheers for that. I like the Mumzilla term....so apt! x

JJ (((((((HUGS)))))) {I was reading on another thread that hugs are not the done thing on MN but bLLcks to that }. It can be so isolating being at home with LOs and there do seem to be a lot of superfical people out there, but there are good ones too we just live a bit far away . Iris will find people she gels with it may not be before school but it will happen.

Ollie has finally gone for a nap, he is a bit better today but still no teeth.

JW O is on the 2nd centile and nobody seems that concerned since that was where he was when he was born. At his 8 month check he was a bit below it so we have to get him weighed next week, but I'm with you how can you make them eat if they don't want to

Many congrats Ermintrude.
JJ I agree with Dawntigga. F* 'em.

hello all,

Been in a meeting all day so can't catch up til later but colleague has just been sent home because her daughter has swine flu. Can't help worrying about D catching it.

DH has a very geeky tee shirt about computer programming but I can't find it, but it is from these people here They have some fab Tee Shirts I particually like the heavy metal and the ferrous wheel. Pity they are in the states so the shipping will be ££££££

(PS pls excuse my spelling the spell check has gone a bit loopy)

mrsb - is she going to have a swine flu party?

hedgepig / dawntigga - love the T-shirt links - may have to get one for DH (decisions,decisions)

Tee - good news about being signed off the MW. How did the Adam-cooing by your coworkers go? I trust everyone was suitably smitten

I go off to hospital for a few hours and what happens when I leave you lot unsupervised?

Ok, first thing first; JJ I'm with dawntigga on the telling them where to go. However, most people who are half way civilised don't actually do that in real life (you can think it though!). It's very sad that these 'sisters'- and I use the term loosely - are trying to make up for their own inadequacies using their kids. Think it's appalling using a child (Iris) as a comparison to their own and singling you out just because you don't fit into their warped little world.

I would not even call these people acquaintances let alone friends. You are better off without them and you already know that.

Don't question your own integrity nor yourself (or even dare to look at Iris and fall into their evil ways). You're fine. You know you're fine. We know you're fine!

mrsb omg I'd be very worried about D too. What can you do? Are they closing the nursery or carrying on? Btw I had a chat with my GP about swine flu, flu jabs etc etc last weeks. LO's should get a general flu jab in the second wave of giving them out (i.e. after the old and those with heart problems etc). Ask your GP. It's not a specific jab against swine flu though as that doesn't exist.

hedgepig K has always been on the 3rd line which is the 25th centile. She dropped down slightly last time she was weighed but not as far down as the 2nd line. I'm not worried really. She's in proportion and eats normally so what can you do?

Over 2 hours sat in eye clinic. Terribly hot. Screaming babies (mine being one of them). She's fine. Eyes fine. No specs needed yet. Carry on reglardless

Just had an email from the lady at the GMC. She's had R4 on the phone wanting to know if they can interview me for Woman's Hour on the back of the Observer interview

blimey

jj I say bllks to them as well. How horrid- it is jealousy honestly. Find some nicer friends I say....if you were near you could come to my house for a cuppa and vent your spleen. My eldest daughter went to a school where none of the mums talked to me (they were quite posh and I often came covered in muck with hay in my hair) and my second daughters school are all normal mums (some are quite rough) but who talk to me and are really friendly (they just ask if I have been rolling in the hay!). I think some mums are just a bit up themselves.
A good mum is not one who makes homemade playdough or sits their child on the potty every 5 minutes!

JW well done K on not needing specs wooopee, you must be so pleased.

jw - a new career here as a media babe eh! respect
great news about K too

Anyone else getting really pissed off with all the Michael Jackson songs being played everywhere and all the bloody time ? - or is it me having a hormone rush

jw - woo at no specs - brill news. And interview on Woman's Hour!! go girl go!!!

hedgepig I Neeeeeeeed all of those T-shirts (sad scientisty geek that I am)

neddie love the idea of turning up at the school gate with straw in hair - great look!

MrsB try not to worry about the flu thingie ... chances are they'll all be okay and there's bog all you can do about it.

iris I'm fed up with listening to M Jackson/Jackson 5 too. That's why I listen to R4 more or less all the time these days. At least you don't get any music on there. Although, y'day they were talking about whether Jackson death was over reported. I was nodding to a YES.

jw if you could have seen me doing the 'go jw' rikki lake arms then you would have been very

My best friend and I have an acquaintance that tried to tell us their dc got 12 on the APGAR test I shit you not. Needless to say we smiled at her and laughed our socks of on the way home.

dxx

Evening all - and thanks - you are ALL right I know Many thanks x

mrsB OMG I too would be a little freaked out....although I'm sure everything will be fine.

jw Fab news about radio 4....all hail to the Goddess Murray Hope it's her and not miserable Jane "I was married to adrian fat face chiles and he's a plonker" Garvey Although didn't Garvey once poach Fi Glover's hubby???? Oooo radio 4 gossip - so Hip and in out of touch

Brill news about the eyes although that hospital sounds awful in this heat.

neddie ditto I'd return the cuppa anytime...especially with straw in your hair - my kinda woman. Are you seeing DP this weekend? How's 'Operation SPain' coming along?

hedgepig hugs work for me - mucho thanks! Don't care about the MN protocol - I don't want to be in the 'in-crowd' anyway!

Yep - count me in on being bored with MJ.

How are tee and erm getting on today?

JW excellent about K's eyes and your hours of fame! sniff ladies, we can say we knew her when tear JJ just ignore those stupid women. They sound horrid.

mrsb I really wouldn't worry. There is really nothing you can do and the only deaths from Swine Flu have been to people who have had other conditions, so far as I can tell. Most people just have a mild flu with it.

iris I am so sick of MJ I could puke. He was a creepy creepy man. Hardly the King of Pop any more.

The girls from the office loved my little man. As who wouldn't?