40 + yummy mummies with baby tummies and those who've 'popped' - come hither!

[jeanjeannie]

Come join our merry (talkative) band of ladies who lunch - feel sick - are getting fatter - sleep deprived or run off their feet with babies! Some of us suffer all of the above - while trying to retain an air of calm and mystery

All we ask is you play nicely, eat cake and indulge in the occasional gossip and moan about our ills....or anything else that we can think of.

We're like grumpy old women....only not so grumpy...

Ouch hedgepig. 4.30 is an awful time....too early to get up but if it's me, I'm always tempted to go for the burn and stay awake. Always bad mistake as I'm shattered by mid afternoon. Poor O. Is he snuffling again or was he just awake?

I must say that listening to you ladies and having to get up in the night, I am very grateful that I don't. And you JJ sound like a line from an Alanis Morrissette song 'slept through the night, had bad pains...isn't it ironic?'

mrsb don't forget your protractor today and your lunch box . Is D with grannie today? Blimey he's going to be spoilt rotten by all of his minders!

I've ordered quite a few new clothes for summer and so this means a sort out in the loft of old summer stuff and praps Ebay or charidee shop. We're 2 days in half term and firing at 80%....so, think it's laser quest on Thursday. That means the girls get a lazy quiet day to themselves

DH was watching a programme last night on Living about Jade Goody (!) On the one hand I feel sorry for her, on the other I don't. Choosing to be in the media glare whilst so ill isn't a good thing imho. Having seen MiL die in a hospice with cancer last year I can only think Ms Goody has no idea what the end entails otherwise she'd think twice about the possibility her boys will see it in the future

Oh lordy! The Paul Daniels/Debbie McGee photo shoot What were they thinking? John Suchet's wife? Frightening. If anyone's not seen it, the very drunken Bianca Gascoigne video is hilarious and Jo Brand made me smile this morning dressed as Britney

And finally, I've been pondering over this one every time I watch Top Gear but I've found another unlikely candidate to join the other geeks erudite men on my list of 'men I fancy'. James May. I'm not sure if it's his floral shirts, his greying non haircut or just he's cheeky smile, but he's up there Move over Tezza.

Morning all.

Still feeling rough so took another day off. Have an endo appointment this afternoon anyway, so would only be a half day.

Stupid Tesco forgot my chicken! Guess its mac and cheese for dinner tonight!

hedgepig 4:30 is an awful time to wake up! Is O still poorly? Or just wakeful.

I think the thing about Jade, is she wants to be sure her boys are provided for. But I agree with you JW how awful for her boys to keep seeing all of this after she's gone.

JJ if its keeping you up, go see your GP. You can get some good drugs!

Good Morning- I am off to have my first ante-natal appointment this morning.I must find a bottle.....oh. Regarding period pains- when i was a teenager I had them so bad that I used to be sick and faint. Two things relieve them 1.Exercise and 2. Ponstan capsules. Whilst number one isn't going to be most peoples favorite -it does actually work and you don't need any drugs. (I am anti medications-which is ironic as my DP is a pharaceutical rep. Ha ha. He is like a walking chemists). If you can get your hands on some co-codamol then that's good but be careful as it is quite strong.

johnworf James May?

Aye neddie James May. But, you haven't seen the others on the list (the regs on here have ) so he's not that bad when compared with the other contenders - believe me!

Good luck with your first AN appointment.

I SO 'get' James May

neddie have fun peeing in a bottle - at least you can still look down to get the aim right! Good luck and thank's for the top tips. I'd forgotten about co-codamol

jw sounds like Thurs will be a top day in! I like the fact you're already thinking about the summer wardrobe. Blimey, I've got to go through all of my stuff - tons of it in the loft. Three years - two kids - 4 dress sizes

My 'F' key isn't working properly

My goodness, ladies, we're at post 908 already!

Any ideas for new thread title?

Do we get a prize if we have the longest continuing thread with the most posts?

Morning

I am off today and tomorrow as we haven't got nursery places for those days yet - we will have weds in April and I will keep taking Tuesdays for the foreseeable future. hurrah.

jw you are sorting your own summer wardrobe? gosh. I am in awe. Like jj mine are in many varied sizes.

Hedgeig what a horrible time to be woken. Poor you.

Right off to put Mr D down for his nap and have a squiz of the DM website.

Morning all

DD is at a friend's house and DH took DS and friend for a kickabout so I should be working but popped in to say hello first.

JJ any idea what causes your bad pains? Ever had a lapsroscopy to see if you have any endometriosis? It took me 16 yrs to get a diagnoisis but treatment was effective, if unpleasant.

Neddie's suggestion of exercise is a healthy option but one that doesn't always work for all period pains - it sounds as though your pains are too debilitating to allow much activity (mine were like contractions only they made me weak, faint and nauseous too. I regularly passed out, or tried to bang my head on something to lose consciousness, they were so horrible. Contractions in labour were just concentrated pain increasing to a point of climax and then disappering - and a complete doddle by comparison!). Ponstan Forte is an anti-spasmodic which is supposed to stop the uterus contracting so much but I used to O/D on it to no effect. Bleeds on the pill were just as painful for me and taking packets consecutively didn't control my cycle. If they're really bad and even a combo of nurofen and codeine don't work it might be worth going to your GP about it. Mine usually passed on the 3rd day after which I just felt averagely rubbish, hope you're over it soon.

Moan, moan, moan, sorry. Sunny day again here, hope you have lovely days.

johnworf on the other hand to some extent her boys will be involved anyway with her death at 3 and 4 they will have some memory of it. At least they will have lots of pictorial memories of her (good and bad). I also think it is really good that the general public will see someone dying the majority of people do not see it at all, I hope it will show that although sad, those that are dying are living first to the full and death can be dignified and pain free. I think she is stupid courting the publicity at such a private time, she will know her boys will be financially set up.

I think they are a little bit older than that kaz maybe 5 and 6 ?

I believe that she believes she is doing the best for them. Her overriding concern is that they don't end up as ignorant, uneducated and unqualified as she did. I think there is a certain element of snobbery in all the criticism that she is receiving and that an educated middle class person doing the same thing might be perceived differently. I used to read Dina Rabovitch's column and I remember the last one where she described the lying in bed approaching death and hearing the life of the family already moving on without her downstairs and how alone she felt. It was a very raw thing to read but just because she was eloquent and articulate and wrote it down does it make the situation that much different?

It does seem that Jade isn't spending as much time with that her kids as one would imagine wanting to with so little time left but you get the impression that she is already in terrible pain and that going home and being serene and making beautiful final memories with her boys might be a bit beyond her capabilities at the moment. Anyway even at 5 and 6 they would be unlikely to remember much of it - so who would she usefully be doing it for? herself? public sensibilities?

Aside from that, if people find her dying in public to be unseemly, well I guess they can look away as much as we can ever avoid these pointless "celebrities" and their wasted lives lived out in public . I guess it's her life and her death.

JJ think yourself lucky my mouse is playing up changed the battery and it is better this morning but last night it was making the browser flash all over the place

Mrs B think you would be surprised how much children of that age remember and take in esp at an emotional time like this.

I think that's the main point, right there mrsb. Its her life and her death. And her sons. I think she thinks she is doing the best she can with the time she has left.

There was a report on the news last night about how the amount of people getting smears has gone up since the announcement was made about her cervical cancer. So perhaps by having the camera in her face in her last weeks, she can save someone else's life. Maybe that gives her a little bit of comfort?

Hey, got my work done, hurrah!

Have a good day at home mrsb - nice to take the return to work gently!

JW out of the 3 Top Gear men JM would be the best - Clarkson is a horse-faced prat and the little one thinks too highly of his own fading charms. Hmm, come to think of it Mr May has just a soupcon (is there no cidilla facility on MN?!) of your beloved Stephen Fry about the chin and the general physique and poshness. It's all clearer to me now

Jade - ach, dear. I don't like the way Max Clifford thinks we'll all go - ah right, she's selling the story of her death so that her sons can have a private education. Like, that's more important than them being well cared for, comfortable and happy in a family set-up! Or suggesting that Jade's so ignorant because she was state-educated. Harrumph!
Poor little lads though, it's a horrible shame whichever way it happens; I hope the media leave them alone once she's gone.

well, hopefully the media will leave them alone - their father seems to be a lot less enamoured of being in the press so hopefully they will live with him and have a more normal life.

I don't think its a question of her being ignorant (and she is, very) because she was state educated ermintrude more that her personal circumstances and abysmal childhood meant that she was barely educated at all.

mrsb that's precisely it, I and all of my marvellously intelligent and high-powered friends ( some of them are, some of them aren't) were state-educated and the likes of Max Clifford sometimes try to make out that's a weird and underprivileged state of affairs, rather than normal. As if Jade is trying to buy them what she never had with a private ed, whereas what she actually never had was the right parental care and attention and support. (although I somehow doubt she was ever going to be an intellectual high-flyer..).

If her ex is a quieter and more sensible type as he seems to be then hopefully the boys won't be in the media glare, as you say.

Tee good point about smears - if young girls realise that it can happen to them and so are more careful about keeping appointments then that would be a good effect of a very sad thing.

Poor Jade - it's an awful affair for all concerned Thing is about media invasion is it's very difficulty to have control over what goes out - especially when you're not alive...! You just have to hope, especially for the sake of the boys, that what is shown is dignified.

I worry that younger people watching it may get confused between what is 'real' and what is the world of celeb; that dying is in someway cool and if you're prepared to do it on camera then it's fame guarenteed. There is still a question mark over the horrific spate of deaths in a small place in Wales because it's feared many are doing it to gain fame on the web I can understand her wanting to make sure the boys are set-up for life. But if Elton John and Fayed can donate for the wedding then it'd cost them nothing to make sure fees are paid for those boys...that'd be a better use of their money and show more willingness to show help.

OK - that over

Going to GP after period - think it may be because of two CSs and there was a lot of adhesions. Did a bit of reading (always a bad thing) and apparently that can have an effect for a few months after periods return. Got to get a smear anyway. Yoh - FUN!

jw yeah - you like posh boys [winks]

Ladymac - have you thought about feeding DD crumpets? You can have loads of toppings on them and they are yum ... Or shop-bought pancakes that you shove in the toaster - raisin and lemon ones are HEAVEN! Or bulk-making pancakes and storing them in greease-proof paper in the fridge - then zapping in the microwave?

jj - re preiod pain - if you get a minute's peace (har har) try getting in a warm bath. That's the only thing that eased my contractions during my SIX days of contractions - and it's pretty much the same muscles isn't it? Otherwise a big hot-water bottle shoved down your trousers may help?

I'm off for a Chinese Buffet tonight with my nephew and niece who are staying the night and tomorrow - school hols and mum's away so I have to look after DD so thought would go the whole hog and look after sister's kids too. So an 11 year old, 9 year old and 18 month old tomorrow. Fortunately the older two think Tilly is a doll and spend the day arguing over who holds her and plays with her (and maybe I can slink off for a rest).

I imagine that more than just education per se Jade may see the private education as being a way to imbue her sons with qualities which she didn't have, like self assurance, "better" accents, poise, appearing cultured - that sort of thing. Things that might prevent them growing up to be viewed as squawking, ignorant plebs like she herself is.

To a certain extent she may be right about that, given that their home life would not have instilled any of these qualities in them whether she lived or died.

As Jade Goody hasn't even told her sons that she's ill yet, I should imagine her death will come as a shock to them. Believe me, that even as an adult, seeing someone die (last year) is not a pleasant experience and I would have thought frightening especially for a young child and especially when it's your mother.

Agree on the private education mrsb. Maybe she thinks she's giving them a good start in life and opportunities she never had.

Very disturbing that she's planning to leave the children in Jack Tweed's care. I hope that the father contests this decision. The grandmother isn't much cop either.

JJ yes I like posh boys. You've found me out haven't you

I assume Jade's boys are going to be the only people in their family to have a private education, which doesn't necessarily mean they'll be secure and they certainly won't 'fit in', however round their vowels end up. I don't blame her for thinking it's the best she can do for them, esp given her own background, but it won't be the solution to all their troubles, that's for sure. Can't believe she's not leaving them in their father's care though - is he a bad lad? Worse influence than her blessed mother? Don't know much about him, but surely he'll have some rights. Anyway, I expect we will all hear more and more about it over the next few weeks, whether we want to or not.

JJ ouch, adhesions like endometrial ones? No wonder you're in pain, you poor thing. The only thing that worked for me was to put my system in shut down - a fake menopause - to give the cells time to atrophy, and it worked v well (but now I've been through it twice and am NOT looking forward to the real menopause one little bit - hot flushes are no fun at all).

Bonzo mmm Chinese buffet - are you joining JW's family meal? . BTW, Wagamamas is a good introduction to Japanese food for people who are a bit fearful of it. Also great for LOs because you can just get a bowl of plain noodles or rice if they're teeny or not v adventurous.

Took DC to Sainsbury's, for their sins, and the cashier kept smiling at winking at DS, then told me she reminded me of her grandson, aged 6. - You don't look old enough to be a grandmother! I said, meaning - you really don't look v much older than me at all. Yikes!

I mean She told Me that He reminded Her of Her grandson. I really should check tehse pronouns before I post...

Hello everyone

just popped in while doing supermarket shop, thought would only be a couple of minutes but it looks like while I have been enjoying my family long weekend I've missed loads......

mrsb Really really pleased your first day back went well and that D is now sleeping longer, remember if you try the ostrich let me know how it is as been out for dinner this Sunday, Italian too so need to eat a little healthier for a few days and watch the calories so probably be a couple of weeks till I get to try.
Never mind though dinner was delicious and a couple of glasses of wine at least meant dh got his valentines present

jw good to here K well and truly on the mend, hope dss soon follows suit!

From quickly breezing through the posts I see some of you still not too well or LO not so..... get well asap all of you!!!

jj hope you've managed to control those pains, I too had previous sc's and had a tube removed after an eptopic pregnancy and I still have pain around the site where the adhesions would be so I can sympathize

My little fella rolled over onto his tummy for the first time over the weekend, big fella been doing it for quite a few weeks now but we missed him first do it, DD called us just after he had so it was really nice that both me and DH got to see it first this time
Funny really, 2 babies, shared the same womb, same up bringing for the last 7 months yet are so so different

Better finish off shopping now