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Colleagues complaining about maternity leave

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medicmumma · 24/08/2023 20:48

I'm a junior doctor who has recently started a non-clinical office job and I am 32 weeks pregnant - I plan to go on maternity at 39 weeks for 3 months. My job is lovely - it's 9-5 and the workload is more than manageable. While my seniors and manager have been very supportive about my pregnancy and maternity leave (my consultant and manager have told me several times to consider taking longer!) my junior doctor colleagues have been a bit less supportive.

I work with 2 female and 1 male junior doctor (none of them have children and it is probably important to highlight that having children as a junior doctor isn't really the norm - most people wait till they are a Consultant but in my case accidents happen!) and they will not be able to hire maternity cover as my role is very specialist and it takes almost 1-2 months to get used to the job and systems so a 3 month cover would be pointless (and if anything create extra work for the team) and it is difficult for this reason to also hire ad hoc bank staff.

My colleagues have expressed (in front of me) in front of me how me going on maternity will create extra work for them and will impact them taking leave over Christmas. The female colleagues are more empathetic when expressing this (i.e. saying that it's not my fault and they will just have to prioritise), however the male colleague in particular is very very vocal about how my maternity leave is going to increase his workload and constantly (literally every other day) spearheads conversations in our shared office about how unfair it is for them/how they're going to struggle to cope and how about he is going to demand to our manager that they need 3 month maternity cover (which is not going to happen). It's really annoying and he literally acts like I'm going to be sitting at home for 3 months chilling rather than trying to cope with a newborn baby.

I do not disagree with the fact that there will be more work for them to do but realistically the additional workload among the 3 of them will not be that much - e.g. two of them were on holiday recently so me and my colleague were covering and the additional work was not at all stressful or taxing. We were able to complete all our tasks, while also doing additional career progression tasks and taking adequate breaks for lunches/coffee. Similarly, I have had not had any sick days whereas they all have and have never complained about having to do extra work because they have not been able to come in (especially as the workload is more than manageable!). In terms of taking time off over Christmas, we do not work BH anyway and we always had to have 2 people in the office so not everyone was going to be able to have an extended Christmas break.

Anyway - it's a little awkward when they are having these conversations about my maternity leave when I am sitting there in the office (even with the girls saying it's not my fault, I have every right to take maternity, etc). I'm wanting to say something next time the conversation starts because it makes me feel uncomfortable everyone talking about me and basically complaining how me getting pregnant impacts them - does anyone have any ideas of what to say that is polite but also straight to the point?

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Angrycat2768 · 25/08/2023 08:31

No wonder the takeup of paternity leave is so poor when the OP has explained that her partner will be off for longer but thats not good enough. She is a junior doctor. I'm sure she knows it's possible to have birth injuries or PND.
I agree you should just repeat the facts about maternity being a protected characteristic.

Dropthedonkey · 25/08/2023 08:32

Zezet · 25/08/2023 07:05

Just wanted to come in saying I am a little baffled at all the comments about three months being too early to return. I guess the UK is unused to that as a standard; in my (Western European) country it's the norm, and it is absolutely not generally seen as not enough. Most women feel rather happy to return at that time and be an person again too, not just a mum. So yes, every woman is different, but chances are you'll be absolutely fine (if not surely that's what sick leave can be for?), and if you were here you wouldn't even think twice about it.

"Be a person again too not just a mum" - you mean, be an employee? Because (and I work myself) our status as "people" does not rest on our contribution to the workforce!

Dropthedonkey · 25/08/2023 08:36

Angrycat2768 · 25/08/2023 08:31

No wonder the takeup of paternity leave is so poor when the OP has explained that her partner will be off for longer but thats not good enough. She is a junior doctor. I'm sure she knows it's possible to have birth injuries or PND.
I agree you should just repeat the facts about maternity being a protected characteristic.

OP said her mum would be looking after the baby so she could get back to work. She did mention her do's potential for extra leave but it was her mum she said would do the childcare.

Themermaidspool · 25/08/2023 09:49

You need to have a look at your local deanery suppoRTT champion. Look at the deanery website and their email address should be there. Ask them to go through your local guidence and set up a support meeting with you. This isnt sitting right with what i am aware of. They will also help to navigate dickhead colleague. I would suggest (if they are a trainee) their educational supervisor needs a quick word. Its not on. Full stop. Even though you arnt in a training post you should still be able to access the same support.
There will be a national suppoRTT conference in Nov to help you. Keep an eye out on Y&H deanery website for details.

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/08/2023 10:32

Usernamen · 25/08/2023 05:27

You’re assuming the OP will breastfeed when nowhere in her posts did she mention that.

Plenty of women bottle feed.

People are assuming a lot of things.

I actually went back at 3 months and it was nothing like pp’s say it will be like.

I didn’t breastfeed so that was irrelevant
I wasn’t up all night with baby because he has another parent and baby is a good sleeper
I didn’t get PND
I felt ready to go back at 3 months

How about that, mothers are different and babies are different.

PinkPlantCase · 25/08/2023 13:07

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/08/2023 10:32

People are assuming a lot of things.

I actually went back at 3 months and it was nothing like pp’s say it will be like.

I didn’t breastfeed so that was irrelevant
I wasn’t up all night with baby because he has another parent and baby is a good sleeper
I didn’t get PND
I felt ready to go back at 3 months

How about that, mothers are different and babies are different.

I think not breastfeeding makes a huge difference though. I don’t think people were wrong to assume that she would.

Most of the doctors I know socially place a really high importance on breastfeeding.

Usernamen · 25/08/2023 13:18

PinkPlantCase · 25/08/2023 13:07

I think not breastfeeding makes a huge difference though. I don’t think people were wrong to assume that she would.

Most of the doctors I know socially place a really high importance on breastfeeding.

Exclusive breastfeeding at 3 months is 17% in the UK, so it was a pretty ridiculous assumption that OP would be up all night feeding the baby especially with a second parent (who has longer parental leave) in the picture at 3 months.

Source: https://www.unicef.org.uk/babyfriendly/about/breastfeeding-in-the-uk/

Breastfeeding in the UK - Baby Friendly Initiative

Learn more about the rates of breastfeeding in the UK and the UNICEF UK Baby Friendly Initiative's work to improve them.

https://www.unicef.org.uk/babyfriendly/about/breastfeeding-in-the-uk/

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/08/2023 13:21

PinkPlantCase · 25/08/2023 13:07

I think not breastfeeding makes a huge difference though. I don’t think people were wrong to assume that she would.

Most of the doctors I know socially place a really high importance on breastfeeding.

Statistically, most babies are formula fed by 3 months.

It also wasn’t just breastfeeding people were making assumptions about.

Usernamen · 25/08/2023 13:28

“The rate of any breastfeeding at six weeks was 55%, while at six months it was 34%”

Statistically speaking, the OP will most likely not be breastfeeding when she’s back at work.

It was ill-informed to assume she would be.

Disneyconvert · 25/08/2023 13:33

Maybe the op can pump, breast feed, formula feed, or even a mixture of all three AND still go back to work, and that is absolutely okay.

Zezet · 25/08/2023 19:24

What I meant is that I - and a lot of people I know - really enjoyed finding back other parts of our personality, from dressing up nicely to go to the outside world to talking with colleagues about something that isn't nappies and milk. And also to have interactions again that relied on what I am like as an individual, me as a person, as opposed to the part of my identity that is defined in relationship to someone else (a mum).

Not sure if the way i phrased it is weird in English (foreign language). I didn't mean personhood is derived from employment. I meant there's aspects to one's personality that are more than "I am this (a mum/a spouse/...) TO someone ELSE". And I enjoyed still being me, even when I was now also a mum.

Dropthedonkey · 25/08/2023 19:29

Yes I do understand what you mean now

Fraaahnces · 28/08/2023 09:52

Thread about workplace attitudes concerning maternity leave gets hijacked by strangers obsessed with breastfeeding.

Astrabees · 11/05/2024 20:07

I went back after 3 months twice, it worked well for me as I was self employed. I was more or less back in shape and physically it was not a problem at all.

Yummymummy2020 · 11/05/2024 20:27

Op I would directly and bluntly say I understand you feel my maternity leave is inconvenient but can you please stop discussing this in front of me as it makes me feel uncomfortable and it’s stressing me out. They shouldn’t be doing this at all, irrespective of pressures they are under. I agree with the poster that said it is borderline bullying.

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