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xttcbabyno1x · 16/01/2023 07:56

Hey all,

Now I know Mumsnet can be a judgmental place, but even when people are judgmental, I actually think reading other opinions are really important.

I'm getting the whooping cough vaccine today (27 weeks ) and im just worried, I can't find anything to show any evidence of baby being harmed from this. But has anyone had any issues with it in regards to your pregnancy? Do people recommend this vaccine?

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xogossipgirlxo · 16/01/2023 10:19

123woop · 16/01/2023 09:54

So I had the whooping cough and the flu vaccine and had no issue with it. There is however not a chance in hell I'd have a covid vaccine whilst pregnant! I'm also being pressured (I am triple jabbed but won't have one whilst preggers) and im just ignoring it

My midwife said to wait as long as possible (until you have big belly, as when you catch covid it might be bit hard to breathe), it says more than thousand words that she doesn't advise it in first trimester (if it was 100% safe she would probably pressure me to have it ASAP). I had flu jab on my first appointment though, all OK as she recommended it to me and I was really scared of catching flu.

MrsMorrisey · 16/01/2023 10:20

Squamata all well and good unless it's your child.
I'm glad that my child took one for the team. Good on us.
I'm sick of it I don't know why I bother.

JassyRadlett · 16/01/2023 10:49

MrsMorrisey · 16/01/2023 10:01

Well that's good that you do your job properly.
My point is that that did not happen to me so what am I supposed to do?

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It's entirely shit to be the rare exception. I was, and it nearly killed me. But I was the victim of an incredibly rare complication, which has left me with continuing issues though thankfully they are pretty mild these days and much worse than they might have been. It was, however, made worse by medical professionals who weren't properly informed themselves and had convinced themselves that the drug they were giving me couldn't possibly be what was doing the damage. They were wrong.

But what do I do now? I take consent incredibly seriously. I read about the side effects myself before my children or I take any medications or have any vaccinations, so I know what I'm looking out for. I make sure I understand the relative benefits of the treatment I'm getting before I consent - the risks of the treatment (and there are risks to all treatments) vs the risks of what the treatment is trying to treat or prevent.

I 100% do not blindly trust medical professionals at any level to be complete and thorough and open and honest. That's not because I think they're invariably bad people or have bad motives, it's because their humans with their own pressures and their own biases and that will bleed through into how they practice.

I repeat, it's shit that this happens. I continue to vaccinate and take medications (as informed as a layperson can be about them) because the risk and impact of not doing so is often greater than the risks associated with taking them. It makes you massively vigilant and untrusting though, which isn't a lot of fun.

MrsMorrisey · 16/01/2023 10:56

JassyRadlet
I appreciate your response.
I get frustrated when people cannot see another point of view.
I agree with all of your post and that is how I am now.
Which is why I have made the choices I have.
My son is now 11 and healthy but it has made me untrusting and vigilant as you say.

Squamata · 16/01/2023 11:13

MrsMorrisey · 16/01/2023 10:20

Squamata all well and good unless it's your child.
I'm glad that my child took one for the team. Good on us.
I'm sick of it I don't know why I bother.

Well yes, bluntly if a disease was going to harm 10,000 children a year and a vaccine would prevent that but harm 100 children, I'd go with the vaccine. I'd be heartbroken if my child was one of the 100 kids, but it's still better.

There should be information, warning of what signs to look out for, support for children who have adverse reactions. I'm sorry for what happened to your son but it doesn't mean vaccines shouldn't be given, once it's shown that they reduce overall risk.

LDNLCN · 16/01/2023 11:32

Ergh! TBH these chats should be banned on forums like this. It’s ridiculous you would read some Facebook post by an antivaxxer or listen to hearsay and base that on your reason to not have a covid or flu jab. Scientists study for years to create these vaccines. The covid vaccine was created quickly because the foundation of the vaccine already existed and used for other viruses. You do realise covid is not new right? Covid-19 was a new strain of the coronavirus. When did you get a PHD and write a paper on the last vaccine you created? The foundation of that very same vaccine is being developed to treat cancer. Would you not get that vaccine if it could cure cancer? Of course you would. Go and do proper research instead of coming on here saying you don’t trust them with no evidence to back it up. Women are experiencing serve complications from getting covid in their third trimester. Most of these women were not vaccinated. Go look that up. And right now the highest percentage of people getting the flu atm are children. All of my friends who have had babies in the last 2 years have had covid and flu jabs. Guess what???? They are all healthy. As for whooping cough jab it’s been given to pregnant women for years and protected millions of babies. The health service isn’t out to get you. It’s there to protect you and wouldn’t advise vaccines that cause harm. The NHS is already stretched and overwhelmed, why would they want to harm you or your child when that would result in more patients for them? Nonsense. Anyone who comes on this forum reading this ridiculous rhetoric on vaccines please close this page and do some research instead.

WetBandits · 16/01/2023 11:34

This is a routine vaccination during pregnancy, designed to protect your baby from whooping cough, which can easily kill a tiny baby. The vaccine will only protect them, not harm them.

Ano321 · 16/01/2023 16:13

LDNLCN · 16/01/2023 11:32

Ergh! TBH these chats should be banned on forums like this. It’s ridiculous you would read some Facebook post by an antivaxxer or listen to hearsay and base that on your reason to not have a covid or flu jab. Scientists study for years to create these vaccines. The covid vaccine was created quickly because the foundation of the vaccine already existed and used for other viruses. You do realise covid is not new right? Covid-19 was a new strain of the coronavirus. When did you get a PHD and write a paper on the last vaccine you created? The foundation of that very same vaccine is being developed to treat cancer. Would you not get that vaccine if it could cure cancer? Of course you would. Go and do proper research instead of coming on here saying you don’t trust them with no evidence to back it up. Women are experiencing serve complications from getting covid in their third trimester. Most of these women were not vaccinated. Go look that up. And right now the highest percentage of people getting the flu atm are children. All of my friends who have had babies in the last 2 years have had covid and flu jabs. Guess what???? They are all healthy. As for whooping cough jab it’s been given to pregnant women for years and protected millions of babies. The health service isn’t out to get you. It’s there to protect you and wouldn’t advise vaccines that cause harm. The NHS is already stretched and overwhelmed, why would they want to harm you or your child when that would result in more patients for them? Nonsense. Anyone who comes on this forum reading this ridiculous rhetoric on vaccines please close this page and do some research instead.

You don’t have to be against ALL vaccines to not want one lol. I also think it’s a bit rude to try and discredit adults and children who have been damaged by vaccinations, yes we know it’s rare but it happens. I’m sure most people know the common cold is a type or coronavirus by now, so yeh they probably did have the technology for fast production. I don’t think we’re worried the NHS are out to harm us or the lovely people that work for them, they’re doing as they’ve been taught, which you know, could be right or wrong. Personally I’m more concerned about who has shares on big pharmaceutical companies and how most of them are criminals hiding in plain sight, leeching on the money and misery of most of the human race. Also I highly doubt they’ll ever have a vaccine for cancer as, unfortunately, it’s too much of a money maker, unless something just as deadly comes along they might roll it out. So to wrap it up, billion dollar companies don’t care about you or your health, they only care about profit!

CrunchyCarrot · 16/01/2023 16:21

@LDNLCN You do realise covid is not new right? Covid-19 was a new strain of the coronavirus.

Unfortunately some of what you've written is incorrect:

'Covid' is the name given to the symptoms caused by SARS-CoV-2, so yes, it IS new! Covid-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2. It's not a 'new strain' of the coronavirus. Actually, SARS-CoV-2 is a new Coronavirus.

LDNLCN · 16/01/2023 16:28

Ano321 · 16/01/2023 16:13

You don’t have to be against ALL vaccines to not want one lol. I also think it’s a bit rude to try and discredit adults and children who have been damaged by vaccinations, yes we know it’s rare but it happens. I’m sure most people know the common cold is a type or coronavirus by now, so yeh they probably did have the technology for fast production. I don’t think we’re worried the NHS are out to harm us or the lovely people that work for them, they’re doing as they’ve been taught, which you know, could be right or wrong. Personally I’m more concerned about who has shares on big pharmaceutical companies and how most of them are criminals hiding in plain sight, leeching on the money and misery of most of the human race. Also I highly doubt they’ll ever have a vaccine for cancer as, unfortunately, it’s too much of a money maker, unless something just as deadly comes along they might roll it out. So to wrap it up, billion dollar companies don’t care about you or your health, they only care about profit!

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No one is dismissing anything. Adverse reactions to a vaccine is inevitable, unfortunately nothing is 100%. As is an adverse reaction to an operation to save your life or even pregnancy... The point is there is a higher chance of catching covid and having pregnancy complications than having a blood clot from a vaccine. Google it. It’s there clear as day for you.

Secondly do your research before making stupid statements about pharmaceutical companies: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-partnership-to-boost-research-into-vaccines-for-cancer

and just an FYI BioNTech we’re behind the covid vaccine and are using the same foundation of that vaccine to find a cure for cancer. And before you say it’s some fake news, that’s the government website. Stop spouting antivax nonsense it’s dangerous.

LDNLCN · 16/01/2023 16:37

I said it was a coronavirus? Which it is. A new stain of the coronavirus... Which is WAS. It no longer is new it’s been three years btw (Everyone seems to forget this fact). Sorry where was I wrong? They tweak vaccines every time a new strain comes around. Same as the flu. Regardless of tomato tomato the point is it’s no longer new (2020 it’s now 2023) and coronavirus isn’t new. The covid and flu vaccines aren’t dangerous. Bottom line.

TheRookieMum · 16/01/2023 16:37

I am fully pro vaccine but even I questioned this one due to a family rumour. However, I did A LOT of reading into this vaccine and decided to go for it as it us safe for you both. The diseases on the other hand can disable and kill and the benefits of the vaccine far, far, far outweigh any tint risk from the vaccine.

No side effects for me or my baby whatsoever and peace of mind that we're both protected from 6 terrible diseases. I would strongly encourage you to get it, you'll both benefit.

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xttcbabyno1x · 16/01/2023 16:45

Just had it done - thanks for everyone's comments!

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MintyFreshOne · 16/01/2023 16:50

TBH these chats should be banned on forums like this

No this conversation absolutely should be allowed. And look, the OP got the tdap shot so happy ending too. Perhaps if she hadn’t asked she wouldn’t have bothered.

Ano321 · 16/01/2023 16:50

LDNLCN · 16/01/2023 16:28

No one is dismissing anything. Adverse reactions to a vaccine is inevitable, unfortunately nothing is 100%. As is an adverse reaction to an operation to save your life or even pregnancy... The point is there is a higher chance of catching covid and having pregnancy complications than having a blood clot from a vaccine. Google it. It’s there clear as day for you.

Secondly do your research before making stupid statements about pharmaceutical companies: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-partnership-to-boost-research-into-vaccines-for-cancer

and just an FYI BioNTech we’re behind the covid vaccine and are using the same foundation of that vaccine to find a cure for cancer. And before you say it’s some fake news, that’s the government website. Stop spouting antivax nonsense it’s dangerous.

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The only things that’s dangerous here is your trust in the 1%.
& okay, so given the operation perspective, yes they’ll give those surgeons the tools and the training to save your life, but the people who profit from the money given for the tools and training don’t care if you live or die.
So all I said was it’s fair people have reasonable doubt, especially with all the corruption surrounding Covid.
Forgive me for having an opinion when you’re entitled to yours, how silly of me.

usedtolovenaps · 16/01/2023 16:52

Can I ask what scares you about the flu vaccine? Flu can be very dangerous in pregnancy, please rethink this OP.

MintyFreshOne · 16/01/2023 16:58

usedtolovenaps · 16/01/2023 16:52

Can I ask what scares you about the flu vaccine? Flu can be very dangerous in pregnancy, please rethink this OP.

Not OP but the efficacy of the flu vaccine is variable from year to year and it really doesn’t perform to expectation. If she already had flu recently (I think she mentioned it) then perhaps it’s not really necessary. It’s something she will need to weigh up

(and before anyone accuses me of being anti-vax I already said Tdap was a good idea!)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6164291/

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xttcbabyno1x · 16/01/2023 17:05

I actually just had both done after seeing everyone's responses, made me do more research, she did them both there and then! so I've had the whooping cough and the flu vaccine one in each arm!

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xttcbabyno1x · 16/01/2023 17:06

But I have just had the flu anyway but regardless they're all done now :) x

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usedtolovenaps · 16/01/2023 17:07

MintyFreshOne · 16/01/2023 16:58

Not OP but the efficacy of the flu vaccine is variable from year to year and it really doesn’t perform to expectation. If she already had flu recently (I think she mentioned it) then perhaps it’s not really necessary. It’s something she will need to weigh up

(and before anyone accuses me of being anti-vax I already said Tdap was a good idea!)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6164291/

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Yes, I know that the vaccine is designed before scientist know what strain wil actually be active that year/winter so they have to make educated guesses. I got my flu jab and it's meant to protect from four different strains and I think it's still better to get it than not. If you get it, it might not protect you but also it might make symptoms much better. If you don't get it, then there's definitely no protection.
People can get flu more than once during their pregnancy.

MintyFreshOne · 16/01/2023 17:13

People can get flu more than once during their pregnancy

Really? Typically you’d get the flu once every five years or so, so I really don’t believe that.

But the flu shot is freely available, it’s just a personal choice. I actually had flu during late pregnancy (horrible) but this was during a year when the shot was super ineffective so … 🤷‍♀️

7Worfs · 16/01/2023 17:18

Good job OP, have a great rest of pregnancy and an easy delivery 😊

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xttcbabyno1x · 16/01/2023 17:38

@7Worfs thank you so much ☺️ x

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AuntMuriel · 16/01/2023 18:17

@xttcbabyno1x well done!!! Good job of weighing up the pros and cons and I think you’ve come to the right decision :)

Milkand2sugarsplease · 16/01/2023 18:33

Whooping cough is hideous, even worse on a little one.
Watch one video online of a baby with whooping cough and you'll be queuing up for a vaccine.

It's natural to want to know what you're having and natural you want to protect your baby so it's right to do your research. As long as you're happy with your decision and any repercussions of that decision, you're all good.