Vaccines - Pregnancy

[xttcbabyno1x]

Hey all,

Now I know Mumsnet can be a judgmental place, but even when people are judgmental, I actually think reading other opinions are really important.

I'm getting the whooping cough vaccine today (27 weeks ) and im just worried, I can't find anything to show any evidence of baby being harmed from this. But has anyone had any issues with it in regards to your pregnancy? Do people recommend this vaccine?

@Wavescrashingonthebeach brilliant thank you! Same as , I actually had COVID the month we conceived and then the flu at the beginning of my second trimester.

But since little man's immune system will be virtually non existent I will go and get the whooping cough vaccine later. I just read the story another poster suggested I take look at!

Thank you!

What news about the Covid vaccines, OP? Could you link?

So what about the responsibility of the HCP that gave my son a vaccine that nearly killed him?

It's a cold hard fact that that happened.

@JassyRadlett

m.youtube.com/watch?v=JkBt25XZ0NU&t=91s

@xttcbabyno1x the whooping cough vaccine is important to get because it will give your baby protection for the time between birth and having their own whooping cough vaccine at 8 weeks.

the vaccine was introduced for pregnant women in 2012 as whooping cough cases were on the rise and 14 babies died in a year from it. 69% of pregnant women since 2012 have had the vaccine.

there is a study here with information on 20,000 women and babies - www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g4219

@AuntMuriel thank you that's reallly helpful. It's the only vaccine I've considered getting because of the protection for my little boy. I will take a look at this link thank you. X

@MrsMorrisey its got nothing to do with the hcp that your child had a reaction as long as they were following the guidance. In the UK we give rotarix for rotavirus and is given before 6 months as there is a small chance of intersussuption if had later.

Well he got intersusseption didn't he?
So who do I blame for that?
Just take it on the chin and say oh well at least I did the right thing?

Stupid unnecessary vaccine.

@xttcbabyno1x no problem :) I would really consider having the flu vaccine too.

SO many people have the vaccine every year so you can be confident it’s super safe. if you catch flu in pregnancy you are at risk of going into premature labour.

The flu vaccine will also offer some protection to your baby in the first few months of life. Remember, your baby will be born without an immune system so it is easy for flu to turn into pneumonia.

my partner just got flu and it was horrible for 2 weeks. Fortunately, I had the vaccine during pregnancy so neither me nor my baby (who is born now!) caught it.

@AuntMuriel oh really? is that a vaccine I can get at any point ? Or does it have to be before a certain date like the whooping cough one? X

I had whooping cough vaccine while pregnant , along with flu jab and covid booster. Baby is 5 months and fine. Take every vaccine offered OP xxx

I had my whopping cough vaccine and flu vaccine on the same day. All fine with baby, I also had it in my last pregnancy. The only side effect to report was a sore arm for a few days. All proven to be safe, nothing to worry about.

@xttcbabyno1x you can have the flu vaccine at any point during pregnancy :) but seeing as it is winter now so currently flu season I would try and get it asap!

Until they grow up and make their own decisions about how best to protect themselves!

@MrsMorrisey certainly not the hcp who administered a routine vaccine following approved guidelines. Intersussption is a known side effect of the rotavirus vaccine however is extremely rare as I said it is now given under 6 months as it reduces the risk. It prevents rotavirus which is an extremely common cause of severe gastroenteritis in infants that can be fatal. Like most of healthcare It’s a matter of balancing the risk and benefits.

This. As a health professional, I have seen babies on ICU with lifelong lung problems as a direct result of contracting whooping cough in the first few weeks of life (and mum didn’t get vaccinated when pregnant).

I wouldn’t take the risk of not having it (and had it myself for all pregnancies)

Yes to Flu and whooping cough jabs.

Covid, I think is personal choice at the moment.

I also don't take medication in pregnancy but definitely to the jabs.

I can't find his papers online, have you read them? Without peer reviewed papers you'll appreciate that even a doctor sharing their opinion isn't 'news'. Particularly when he's stating as fact things that there just isn't a strong enough evidence base to stand up (eg 'omicron is no worse than flu') - that makes my spidey senses tingle around whether to trust someone.

He doesn't list these papers on his website, do you have links? We've known about rarer outcomes from the vaccines for a while, including cardiac events, it would be good to know if this is new data or other evidence.

But I was not informed. It was put in my sons mouth without any consultation and I made a complaint after the event that I was not asked or informed.

The fact is no one really gives a shit if it doesn't happen to them.

I was not informed of the risks. If I was I would have declined. So therefore it is the fault of the healthcare professionals because she did not do her job properly.

How many people here know what intersusseption is and that it's a side effect of that vaccine? And the fact that it mainly affects boys at about 12 - 18 mths?
Can't do a risk assessment without facts.

@MrsMorrisey it should be mandatory to receive consent prior to vaccines. I always go through the risk of side effects prior to administering all vaccines. On the other hand I wouldn’t let anyone administer a medication without understanding what it was or what it was for

So I had the whooping cough and the flu vaccine and had no issue with it. There is however not a chance in hell I'd have a covid vaccine whilst pregnant! I'm also being pressured (I am triple jabbed but won't have one whilst preggers) and im just ignoring it

Well that's good that you do your job properly.
My point is that that did not happen to me so what am I supposed to do?

I can understand that you feel upset because your direct decision to vaccinate your child is what led to the adverse reaction. So if you had chosen differently, he wouldn't have had that illness.

However it's a bit like the train exercise where you can let a train continue and it'll knock down a group of people, or pull a lever and hit just one person. If you do nothing (no vaccine) more people will be affected by the illness. But administering a vaccine directly causes some other impacts. These have to be fewer to make the overall risk worth taking.

You should have had the risks explained to you and it's hard that your child went through that, but some people having reactions to a vaccine can still be worth it if reduces overall risk.

OP I'm glad you've decided to have the whooping cough vaccine.

The problem I have with vaccine hesitancy is that it often relies on other people having the vaccine to produce herd immunity - if whooping cough was circulating widely, I imagine you'd be more likely to have the vaccine because the risk was greater. Whooping cough is less common because people are vaccinated, deciding not to vaccinate means you benefit from other people taking the risks of vaccination without doing it yourself.

I wouldn't be too worried about flu and whooping cough vaccines. They've been giving them for years. My midwife told me to wait with covid vaccine until 20-something weeks though. I recently had covid, so I think I will pass now and won't get it as already have antibodies.