All restrictions are going. I'm gutted 🥲

[Girlmama3]

Anyone terrified of catching covid more now then ever? I've had both jabs but am aware that's not full protection.

I thought this was the right year to have our last baby. If I'd known about the delta variant I would have waited 🥲

@CrouchEndTiger12

Mainly because I can't trust other people to take care, unless there are actual rules and consequences to them if they don't.

The government is genius convincing us that it would have gone away by now if people followed the rules.

That isn't how viruses work.

Come on, no-one is that naive!! But sitting next to someone with Covid, who has decided not to isolate or wear a mask is still a serious risk for many of us.

@toocold54 I wonder that too. I’m due in September
@CrouchEndTiger12, I assume you feel this was about people that can’t afford children and claim benefits, people in council houses that can’t afford to buy? “What are they thinking”.

As I said for me it wasn’t planned the only one that wasn’t as I have needed fertility treatment and was using protection.
I think there will be a lot of CEV people and parents with CEV children nervous about this.
I think either way I’m allowed to worry about my babies health and being more at risk. Any mum would worry. I doubt I’m the only person in history who has had a accidental baby.

@MissChanandlerBong22 I honestly feel really upset by how some people feel #bekind that lasted.

You will be fine. Lots of people have had babies in the height of the pandemic.

That’s true, but it seems to me the next couple of months will actually more dangerous to pregnant women (many of whom are unvaccinated or half-vaccinated) than the height of the pandemic. I think the highest daily number of cases at the height of the pandemic previously was around 60,000 but the health secretary has said they could go up to 100,000 a day. And no one will be wearing masks, social distancing or anything else.

The US has had a ‘no masks if you’re double jabbed’ rules for quite some time now, and I haven’t seen any evidence this has caused issues for pregnant women.
Why the assumption it will be a problem here?

I’m 17 weeks and very much looking forward to not making myself feel nauseous with a mask, and therefore be able to actually go to the supermarket and to groups with my toddler

Just because the world has opened back up doesn't mean we (I am pregnant too, carefully considered due to factors beyond the pandemic) have to go and do everything. My family are all double jabbed and mostly retired or WFH (and if not, taking lateral flows for work) so they're on my low risk list as are outdoor attractions close to home to minimise use of public toilets. I will WFH til I get made redundant. I have been going into supermarkets, medical things etc when necessary but taking care of my own health by wearing mask, lots of hand sanitising and keeping myself socially distanced even when others have forgotten. I did want to do some indoor things with DD this summer but I've decided the risk is too high at the moment, for me. DP does work out of the home but they are on strict LFT protocol, DD goes to nursery a couple of days a week for her benefit so there's two risks I can't really mitigate but the rest is mostly in my own hands. I'm double jabbed thankfully so if the worst happens I'm hoping I'll just feel ill with no long term effects. But I got a hospital acquired infection when I had DD so you just never know, you just have to do the best you can to manage the risks like everything else in life. I think being worried is healthy, to a point, because it helps with taking sensible precautions.

Tbf everyone, pregnant or not, need to work like that in my opinion but having been to the supermarket lately I'd say that ship has already sailed unfortunately 😬

I do appreciate though that if I had a public facing job that I had to use public transport to get to I'd be shitting myself right now, so I do hope Saj puts something in place to help ladies in that situation and similar (the 28 week WFH seemed quite good).

@Tinydancer321

Don’t let it upset you. It’s a bit of knee jerk misogyny 🙄

The US has had a ‘no masks if you’re double jabbed’ rules for quite some time now, and I haven’t seen any evidence this has caused issues for pregnant women.
Why the assumption it will be a problem here?

My guess would be because we’re abandoning masks for everyone, not just the double jabbed, and only just over half of the adult population is double jabbed.

And the Delta variant - which is highly transmissible - is rife here but isn’t in the US.

Nope.
Not gutted. I'm pleased. But then I've been double jabbed. And was never that bothered about catching covid.

I'll miss social distancing... but I just like my personal space

Yabu if you chose to actively ttc mid pandemic

Humble apologies. Missed that this was in pregnancy section!

They said nothing about pregnant women anyway. I suppose we are to selfish and not worthy.
What ever happens to our babies serves us right. #be kind out the window.

@MissChanandlerBong22

*The US has had a ‘no masks if you’re double jabbed’ rules for quite some time now, and I haven’t seen any evidence this has caused issues for pregnant women. Why the assumption it will be a problem here?*

My guess would be because we’re abandoning masks for everyone, not just the double jabbed, and only just over half of the adult population is double jabbed.

And the Delta variant - which is highly transmissible - is rife here but isn’t in the US.

The delta variant is the most prevalent in the US www.cnbc.com/2021/07/09/delta-covid-strain-dominant-in-ustips-for-vaccinated-people.html

And they’ve got a lower overall rate of vaccination - around 50% of adults are double jabbed compared with 65% here

So everything we have seen from the US really shows there is no cause for alarm and people are whipping themselves into a panic for nothing

@CrouchEndTiger12

So what do you suggest happens?

Se all put our lives on hold and live with endless restrictions because you've chosen to have a baby in a pandemic?!

You didn't out your lives on hold and delay having a baby did you?

This.

I'm jabbed, I'm getting on with life as normal now.

You chose to get pregnant in a pandemic which wasn’t exactly sensible so I think it’s unreasonable to complain now.

Well, crouchend I decided to get pregnant in a pandemic because that’s when me and my husband were wanting to try anyway. We discussed it. A lot. We came to the conclusion quite early on that this virus was going to be around for a while and we didn’t want to wait for 5 or 10 years for this virus to be managed. If it will ever be managed. I was thinking that I didn’t want to not have children due to a virus, especially one that could have been managed so much better by our Government. I can’t speak for any other pregnant woman but it was certainly a consideration for us to delay TTC but decided we didn’t want to delay indefinitely. It ended up taking us some months to be successful, early March we conceived. At that time, cases were dropping. Yes, we’d had multiple lockdowns at that point and seen the peaks rise and fall. We also had news of the vaccine and if you’ll recall the vaccine was signalled as the end to restrictions and severing the link with cases. India didn’t start to see a rise in cases of covid with the Delta variant until April/May. The vaccines were showing signs of dealing with other variants. When the country is in its third lockdown, you also don’t expect the government to do a complete u-turn, given the amount of money that they spent during the lockdowns. Or that they’d at least wait until the adult population is vaccinated. I’ll be having my second jab next week, 8 weeks after my first. I booked my first jab the minute I got the text. I’ve been vaccinated as quickly as I possibly can. I’m 31, so there’s an awful lot of people under younger than me who are still waiting on the opportunity to get vaccinated. However, I hope you’ve got a great view up there on your high horse.

I decided to get vaccinated because I didn’t want to lock myself away all summer. I had enough of that last year and I don’t want to do it again this year. I’m anxious to get my second jab, I’ll be getting mine next week so after everything has unlocked. I think it is just a case of getting on with it, unfortunately. I don’t think industries can stay closed much longer. As much as I didn’t want to stay locked down over the summer, I might have to review that and be careful where I socialise. It’s not ideal and I’ve already made decisions such as I won’t be visiting my family in a high risk area, even though I haven’t seen them since the beginning of the pandemic. I do tend to do things outside anyway, so I’m not too worried from that point of view. Even without the easing of restrictions, it was heading this way anyway with people caring less and less about the restrictions. So I think cases would be rising even without the official lifting of restrictions.

It is scary because there's no guidance yet for how to shield and protect yourself. I'm in my third trimester (and for anyone being snarky ttc happened at the very end of the first wave when it all looked to be calming down) and I work and have a toddler so no option to shield - he still has to go to nursery and after-school activities.

Waiting to see what the guidelines are going to be.

Definitely apprehensive, it all feels very rushed, especially with the new variant and considering not everyone (who can/wants to) has been vaccinated.

It seems irresponsible and absurd of the Government to remove all restrictions and precautions in one go. Absolutely irresponsible to not exercise caution by lifting everything at once, there are still vulnerable people out there so masks should still be encouraged and required.

It's genocide waiting to happen and it makes no sense where cases are still rising. I am double vaccinated but I don't trust other people to behave appropriately and be considerate to others.

Johnson and his advisors are negligent to ignore scientific advisors and put 'trust in members of the public' - we all know how badly that goes... scenes after the football is an example of how people can't be trusted!! (Especially with alcohol thrown into the mix)

We conceived when the second peak was ending and vaccines were created.

The delta variant reared it's ugly head after we'd conceived. Last year was a definite no so we thought we'd be safe to have a baby this year.

Not sure how that makes us unable to be worried and have a voice now.

These comments slating women for 'choosing to get pregnant' in a pandemic are sexist and disgusting. You don't know their circumstances. In my case I'm pregnant after ttc since before the pandemic with low ovarian reserve. I don't have the luxury of time. I think its a mistake that all these restrictons are going at once regardless of my situation. I'll be sticking to social distancing even more after next week

@Yonkerslopez thank you. I have seen so many Posts on news articles saying let’s open up “survival of the fittest”, what happened at the beginning of this when we all were in together.

Even if I wasn’t pregnant I would be feeling the worry for pregnant ladies.

@CrouchEndTiger12

If someone on here is due in Nov they must have conceived in Jan to Feb this year at the start of lockdown 2.

You'd seen the second lockdown start, you'd seen how bad this could be and that one lockdown wasn't enough and you still got pregnant & expect us to stay locked up for you?

What we're you thinking?

Spot on.

The mixed messages are concerning, and I'm worried about the potential impact on healthcare services (I work in healthcare and there are already pressures, some hospitals have already had to cancel staff leave, cancel staff training, cancel elective surgeries...). I'm not convinced that this has been properly risk assessed by the government (based on the data I've seen), so although it might be ok, it also might not be and if it goes wrong there is the potential for it to go very wrong. Not much we can do though beyond brace ourselves, as the government have already made it clear that they don't give much weight to our first-hand experiences and research... At this stage in the government's plans, I think all anyone can do is try to manage the risks to themselves and their families as best they can.

I do think it's unfair, though, to judge people harshly for being pregnant at this time, when every person has their own personal circumstances. For some people, it may be a case of "now or never". For other people, pregnancy may have been unexpected. Other people may have looked at the situation prior to the government's fairly recent decision about dates for removing restrictions or before the Delta variant became such a concern, and based their decisions about pregnancy on information available at the time but which has since been superseded.

We don't know everyone else's circumstances, so it's not right to judge. Instead, we should be supporting each other at what is for some people a very scary time.