TTC graduate sweep stake... Greedy or Honey next?!!

[fettleandbabyfettle]

as suggested by honey!!!

be thinking of you at 1.20pm greeds! my money is on you beating honey by the way!!

xxx

Hee hee seaside!!! That expressing leaflet sounds hysterical . As if eh!!!! We also have quite a small family (both me and Dh are only children ),my dad is an only child too and got no grandparents left, but I'm really close to my cousins and Aunt so we all spend every xmas together and have done since we were all very little. I've really enjoyed it as we've gt loads of great memories of xmas as kids. And 35 years later its still the same . Sorry to hear your place is still in a mess but it'll be FAB when the carpets are down (fingers crossed you get someone soon!). Great also that the NCT crowd are good - I still see the 5 other girls from mine regularly - it can make a big difference.

Hey Greedy - We all have 'crap mum' days and having 3 all to yourself all day is enough to turn anyone round the twist . Fridays are normally my grin and bear it days now as DS1 is usually so tired from his busy week that he needs quite a lot of attention and I can't do everything he wants me to do. In fact he was so tired he was in bed for 6.15pm - I went to find him after his bath and he'd just got into bed himself and fallen asleep . DS2 was also in bed for 6.30, I haven't known what to do with myself!! So MN came to the rescue . Hope Marcy sleeps well soon!!! got to say you've been lucky (or clever) to get kids who slept through from 8 weeks .

Wow, MrsMc - Am really surprised that St Johns is so different from the Royal. I suppose because its a newly built hospital but all the delivery rooms have a big bathroom or shower-room attached, and partners and other kids could visit anytime in the postnatal ward. It was only 'others' that needed to abide by the visiting times. I just kind of thought it would be the same there... As Greedy says though you'll hopefully be out of there very quickly and you probably wont care as much in the throws of labour . Strange about the doula?? I dont think you are unreasonable at all to want to get to know her first - like you say it is such a personal thing that you will be sharing with her. Also, dont blame you about the house - I remember week after week of keeping our house clean and tidy for no-one to come

Right, dinner time!!! Speak later girls x

Hi - blimey, if you don't get on here everyday it's so hard to catch up! I'm not even going to attempt to do a super duper MrsMc style post! Just random things I can remember!

Chooster - Sounds like you've been a lady of leisure tonight! You asked ages ago about weanign... think I'll hold off weaning Isla til the magic 6m, and then do Baby Led Weaning... fuck knows what it is but everyone raves about it on here basically you just give the baby a bit of cooked brocolli to gnaw on I think instead of pureeing everything.... I was contemplating a bit of baby rice at 6pm the other week, as she started waking twice a night, but did some research, and someone sensibly pointed out that there are actually less calories in baby rice than milk, so it would not help one little bit! What about your weaning plans?

Fettle - Toby's sleeping sounds exactly like Isla - couldn't manage much more than an hour awake, with a long period awake and feeding in the evenings. Very impressed you're going skiing. We went to my sister's yesterday afternoon (5 miles away) and it was a bloody nightmare. Overtired baby = not pretty. Note to self: do not leave house again.

Seaside - I'm not that far away from you!(Dorset coast) - we're rather hoping to do a bit of camping in Cornwall next summer... maybe I could pop in I use those Nature nappies (yes, from Waitrose and now the co-op sell them too) They're fab! Only use them at night (am back on the washables again, phew!) but never had a leak. They do smell a bit "eggy" in the morning though

Greedy - sounds like MY kind of parenting! Some days I am such a shite mum it is depressing. Tinned spag hoops on toast for tea etc.etc. Other days I'm fab, but mostly I just about scrape by! at sleeping through by 8 weeks! Isla has managed 7-7 a couple of times, but that was ages ago. In fact the other night she fed at 4am, but then did a massive puke. I couldn't be bothered to feed her again, so just put her back to bed and miraculously she went back to sleep until 7am. Does that mean she doesn't actually need all these night feeds

Mrs - I second what Greedy says. By the time you're in established labour you wouldn't care if you were giving birth in the middle of Macdonald's But I think that staying at home as long as possible is a good idea. If you can still talk through a contraction, you're ok! When you can't talk through them anymore, get in the car! With DD1 we only had the campervan, so DP whisked me off to the hospital (25 mins away) in the back of that with the bed folded out!

Who was asking about bedding? We do what Greedy says, and use muslins on top of the sheets as Isla is very sicky (still ) and my mum cut up a big old soft flannelette sheet to make little cot sheets that are also great to put under her head.

Firsty - well done for getting through your first week back Enjoy those snuggles with your boy this weekend!

Hi Kitkat! Congrats on the move - bet that was really hard work!

Hello everyone else. Running out of steam now and need to get to bed! Isla's night waking is so random at the mo I never know if it will be a good night or bad! She's teething like a good'un now. Her little cheeks (face and bum!) were on fire this evening, poor thing.

Sorry Fettle - I meant to say that's what Isla WAS doing. Now she can manage all of 1 hr 30 mins awake in the day, a bit longer in the evening before her bedtime at 7pm.

Hey ladies I bet you can?t guess what DH is out watching at this moment

Greedy ? I feel like I am being a real woose about the hospital I guess I just expected a happy atmosphere and it all seemed so subdued. You are right; the surroundings are not the important thing. You will never be a lazy, crap Mum hon I can?t be arsed to get dinner ready either most nights! Re Marcy and sleep deprivation, it must be so hard with 3 DC to care for though hon! That?s a real shame about the ladies on the October post natal thread Re the water birth, I guess you just don?t know how you?ll feel until you get to that stage!

Hey Seaside I felt like it took an age to get to Friday this week; I was so exhausted at work! LOL at crawling being boring, I tried to read on all fours but my arms got tired I?ll be interested to hear what you think of the hospital and birth units ? portacabins would have had more space in them then the delivery rooms I saw! LOL at the multi tasking lady on the breast pump instructions ? inspiring which one did you buy? So glad NCT went well, our first class is tomorrow and I am looking forward to it. There will be 4 other couples. I know who one of the couples is (seem nice) but am worried that DH?s ex will be one of the others! That house in the Highlands sounds fab we did that one year, it was actually a cottage on a highland estate and we had Christmas lunch at the laird?s house with quite a few others, it was great fun ? we also got snowed in!!! Hope the mess gets better soon!

Chooster hey you! Nice to hear that you are getting a bit more ?me? time. Partners are allowed longer visiting times at St J?s than other visitors but they are still not allowed all the time. I do like the sound of the en suite facilities at ERI I must say ? that said, I?ve heard of so many people being transferred from ERI to St J?s recently because it is too busy so I guess it?s all swings and roundabouts. No TV at St J?s either! Hope to see you really soon

Bodkin ? your weaning plans sound interesting, have to say a piece of broccoli would taste so much nicer than pureed stuff! LOL about not leaving the house again! Love the campervan story that is fab! you know when I am in labour I?ll be on here talking to you all making you all tell me that I am not ready to go to the hospital yet! hope poor Isla isn?t in too much pain with the teething.

I?ve had a lovely day DH assembled the nursing chair that DSIL bought us in the ?nursery? I then cleaned out the chest of drawers, lined it with nice paper and put all Beanies clothes in the drawers now that they are washed and ready. It actually looks quite like a baby?s room in there already! need to measure for shelves later on as home to persuade DH to take me to B&Q after NCT tomorrow to get some Also been planning a surprise 60th birthday party here for DMIL on 15/12, about 40 folk are coming and we are getting her a stripper ? she?ll love it (I wouldn?t!)

Have a lovely Sat night everyone

oh dear bodders - i have never heard of babyled weaning!!! better read up i reckon the way marcy is going she will be ready to be weaned next week!!! and i cant rem if it was you or chooster who said i have been lucky wioth my other two sleeping through so early, but i just KNOW this time i can't be so lucky again! marcy prob wont sleep through till she is 13!!! i am REALLY going to try and get her to go though the night next weekend though. my plan for 'operation through the night' is to give less and less milk each night ( which i know will mean it takes a lot longer to settle her, but if i have the energy i will perservere!) and then i will try and palm her off with a few ounces of water and get her to hold out for longer before her milk and then only give her a little bit! i have doen that before with the other two and it meant a few nights of being awake A LOT for me! but if i have the energy and it works then it will be worth it!!! watch this space!!! ( i will prob be so shattered by next weekend i wont be arsed and will think getting up once at 3am is the easy option!)

got a christening tomorrow which i am dreading cos dh is godfather so i will have all 3 to keep quiet in church on my own! ds should be ok cos he has finally learnt the art of whispering but dd1 is still at the whispering louder than actual talking stage!!

mrs - i hope you have fun at NCT! dont be like me and make too many rash decsions based on first impressions!!! when i think back the people i thought were the coolest and nicest and most likely to get on with dh and i all turned out to be knobs!!! we are still in touch with several nct couples and they are lovely, but they arent the ones i thought we would still be in touch with 4 years down the line!! i think each group needs a woman to organise get togethers too! without our 'organiser' we prob would just have left and never seen each other again, so if no one takes up that role...you should!!!

lol at you crawling around seaside!!! i never actually crawled about i dont think!!! i have forgotten so much about being pg already!!! i was trying to rem what the kicks felt like yesterday and i couldn't !!! cant believe i can forget so quick!!!

went swimming today with the 3 of them! dh too! not on my own, i wont be attempting that for a while!!! marcy didnt join in just slept in her carseat by the side of the pool!!! i know we took dd1 very young before all her jabs. and i know you took theo young too didnt you chooster? what age was he? cos we never had very much success with dd1 so i am not sure if to leave it a while with marcy! ( isn't it funny how we all call our babies by their names but our other kids by dd1 ds1 etc!)

chooster - our xmas sounds similar to yours! we get together at my mums with my sis and hubby, and my bro and us 5 and my kids get spoilt rotten! we have always all been together and i LOVE it!!! my mum is of course superwoman feeding us all with a gourmet dinner and managing to chip in and look after my kids too! she does let herslf down abit when it comes to buying pressies though!!!!!....i will let you know what delights she gets us this year!!! i have had a glass hummingbird ornament and a wooden teddy doorstop in the past!!! ( how ungrateful am i hey!!!)

ok...off to watch x factor and stuff my face!!!..........and i wonder my clothes dont fit!!!

and to have my second glass of wine.......the joys of formula feeding hey!!!

Mmm, a glass hummingbird ornament ... But it does sound like she is a Christmas marvel in every other way . Your xmas sounds fab too . Good plan with Marcy, I'll watch this space. Am sure Theo is just wanting the comfort rather than the food, but like you say its easier in the short term to just feed them and settle quickly again. I reckon if the LO is bottle fed there may be more of an incentive do get them to sleep through to save the faff of getting a bottle, with breast feeding I'm feeding it so easy and quick just to flop a boob out that I'm probably being lazy about weaning him off night feeds . I know what you mean about refering to our kids. I guess its cos I feel I know Isla, Marcy, Toby, Ty etc... Strange isn't it!!! .

Actually we must do a roll call soon as I've really lost track of where we all are!!!

I'll start:

Theo - Born 13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )

Hi Bodders! Good to hear from you - LOL at you never leaving the house again . When you get a tired LO its a nightmare isn't it. Mmm, I've read a bit about baby led weaning and would be up for it but I panic quite a bit about LO choking... I always have and I'm sure I created a problem for Max (sorry, DS1 ) as I was reluctant to give himlumpy food... I may try to overcome my fears though and jump straight in with the old broccoli tree .

Hi Mrs!!! You are right, its all swings and roundabouts re: hospitals and often its about how nice your midwife is rather than anything else, so it can be the luck of the draw. I just know you'll be fine!

Phew, better dash as I have a kebab on its way here with my name all over it - YUM!!!!! And yes Greedy, I wonder why my clothes dont fit either

Urgh, my post was full of spelling errors yet again - hope you can muddle your way through it

Evening all!
Well its a wild and windy night down here - very Daphne DuMaurier! Hoping D-Day is not a night like this Bodders - you will have to let me know if you get down to deepest darkest Cornwall Am gutted as my local Tesco has just discontinued Nature nappies

greedy - what are you talking about - you are a supermum!! Swimming today and everything! Good luck at the christening tomorrow BTW I see your glass hummingbird ornament and raise you a Womens Institute Book of Biscuit Recipes (from my Grandma for my 13th birthday???)

MrsMc - You are not being a wuss about the hospital - it is so hard envisioning the day/night it will all happen and you just want it to be perfect, but sometimes the NHS does not co-operate! From all I have heard the facilities are important but the quality of the care can make or break the experience. So fingers crossed for fab staff! My NCT class/teacher made me feel a lot better about our hospital actually. I got the medela electric pump - It has been recommended by 3 people really highly fingers crossed. I am very of you puting together the nursery - I dont think we will be able to even begin to make ours until Dec 15 - waiting on carpet to be laid so we can move the rooms around. BTW which nursing chair did you get?

Chooster - hope the kebab was good

BTW - I am hoping we will have a new recruit - cityangel (from the Chart Spotters Unite thread) got a BFP yesterday - I so hope she joins us

Talking of our girls I am hoping Ready is OK - she hasn't got much internet access at the mo I know - but I hate it when she is not around - if you are lurking hon - big hugs xxxx

Yippee - lets have an update!

Pregs
seaside - Due 22 Jan 08 - Boy

Births
Chooster -Theo -13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )

Right - off for some more crawling I cleaned the kitchen floor earlier but dave did not move a muscle - grrr.

hiya girls

havnt had much time this weekend to catch up with you all been helping dp plaster downstairs - so proud i can still labour for him at 30 weeks pg, and some sorry arse MEN cant even do it at 30!!
we had our kitchen measured up friday - its going to be soo fab i cant wait but £££££££££ i loved having a designer there saying i want this this and that bla bla. designs will be through this week.

so glad cityangel got her bfp!!!! we used to be cycle buds > oh i hope she joins this thread!!!

right must go dp needs a lager top up

Pregs
seaside - Due 22 Jan 08 - Boy
iampg - Due 29 jan 08 - Boy (Oscar)

Births
Chooster -Theo -13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )

Hi All

Just left Toby for the first time with DH for 3 hours, while DD and I went swimming. I'd expressed a bottle before I went out and it was great. DD managed a whole 3/4 of length on her own without her bouyancy jacket (admittedly her limit of swimming is how long she can hold her breath for, as she does it face down underwater, but still I'm impressed!!).

Anyway....

Greedy - to have one "I'm a crap mother" day is pretty good going. I had one wed/thurs/fri and Sat last week! Just sitting on the sofa unable to function. You make me feel inadequate how you cope with 3 so well and you're contemplating getting Marcy to sleep through. I'm too tired to even consider disturbing my sleep more, even if I thought it would be better in the long run! So easy to whip a boob out, as you say Chooster and settle him quickly and then back to bed! Hope your Christening went ok today - I've broken the zip on my Boden dress too, tiring to get my boobs in - maybe we should complain that it is a design fault (not our fault!!).

Bodders - TBH we've left it quite late with Toby to take him away, as with DD we flew to Germany when she was 5 weeks old to spend the weekend with friends - she was fantastically well behaved. My whole family will be out skiing over the 2 weeks so there will be loads of support, although as it is a smallish apartment with my mum, dad, older sister, younger brother, older brother & wife some of the time, me, DH, DD and Toby - going to be interesting and fraught at times I would think!!!) still looking foward to it though! Talking about meeting up, depending where on the Dorset coast you are - if we both drove half-way, it would only be about 30-40 miles! But then you're never leaving home again are you?!

Mrs - Sorry your hospital visit wasn't great, but as everyone has said, I really believe that it is your MW which makes your birth experience. Even though I've been so lucky to give birth both times in modern hospitals with ensuite rooms etc and to have fantastic MW for my labour, other MW I've come across during my hospital stays were horrible. I think in my labour this time around (during DH's fainting episode), there was one particular one who was in my room dealing with him, that I actually said to "your mean, I'm really glad you're not my MW, I like my 2 MWs!" Thankfully she agreed with me!. Anyway, I would definitely want to get to know my doula a bit more before the birth, I don't think you'd be wrong to chase her up - not long to go now really!

Chooster - I'm with you on the choking front - was really worried with DD when weaning her. But then she had a very over-reactive gag reflex, so did gag on anything and was sick so easily that it was pretty scary at times. I'm so glad that Toby is not a sicky baby (yet!). I don't think it's done DD any harm having soft/pureed food as she now eats absolutely everything - well nearly!

Iampg - new kitchen sounds so great. I think we should add to our stats list what we're doing to our house/moving etc as we've nearly all of us have done it recently!

Seaside - pretty rough weather here today, must have made it up here overnight! Fantastic news about Cityangel. I also hope that Ready is ok - she has such a lot going on in her real life at the mo! Our local Sainsbury's sells the Nature nappies, so we're ok, but then we had another mammoth poo this afternoon, where I just had to bath Toby to clean him! don't think it is the nappies though, just his poo and my nappy putting on technique - need to work on it I think!

Big waves to everyone else - I have to go and sort the kitchen and do lunches for DD and DH now.

sleep well.

Pregs
seaside - Due 22 Jan 08 - Boy
iampg - Due 29 jan 08 - Boy (Oscar)

Births
Chooster -Theo -13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )
Fettle - Toby - 19th September, 8 weeks

Hi everyone just thought I'd pop in and say hello. I wondered where all the nice people I met on ttc had gone.

So as Seaside says I am pg, for now anyway... AF was on 17 Oct, OV day 18 so think I am only 4 weeks

Having never been pg I have no idea what to do next and have hardly any symptoms so we'll see. I'll try and get a doc appointment next week.

I hope you are all doing good... it's a busy time of year. xxx city

PS: does anyone know any good christmas gift/ baby web sites so I can do some naughty surfing while it lasts...

Yay - city - you came over to see us!! Did you do another test today??

I was exactly the same - like I had spent all the time thinking about a BFP and then if you do get one its a bit like- duh - what now??? Needless to say these girls have been amazing - the best support and advice ever - And they always answer my questions - no matter how stupid

If I were you I would make an appt with GP and depending on how your area works he wil prob refer you to a midwife - Usually you just call them asap and they make a booking in appt 8-12 weeks I think - mine was at 9 weeks. - but until then you just get left alone. My GP was like - "great - well done - see you soon then!!" and that was it!

Of course having TTC for so long you kind of feel lke everyone is going to be as overwhelmed as you are but they aren't!!

Anyway - Ready is your gal for shopping - but I think I cribbed this website from her - it's yummy

Hope everyone else is OK - Iampg I need you and your DP over here to do some plastering! Or can you teach me!

Fettle - your DD is going to be a trialthelete or something

Oops - dinner burning - back later xx

I've now done 6 tests all pg

thanks for the link seaside will check it out and the doctor advice...did they do a blood test?

dh is nesting he spent the day painting and just cooked me dinner got to dash!

back later

chooster - i think you are right, bottle feeding is s bit of a pita in the middle of the night. i have to make sure i am awake properly to do it and it always takes at least 45mins. she has only been waking up once though, but i am so shit when sleep deprived i guess that is why i am desperate to try and get her to sleep through. i will prob feel different in the middle of the night though! but i am not attempting it till next weekend when dh can let me catch up on sleep during the day! CANT BELIEVE THEO IS SO OLD ALREADY!!! whoops, sorry about the caps!

fettle - how strange your zip broke too ! it MUST be a design fault! too flimsy for our massive whoppers to squeeze in hey!? VERY impressed with your dd swimming. i am too scared to let ds take his armbands off although they are hardly blown up at all now. your dd is going to be an olympic athelete one day i reckon.swimming, cycling or egg and spooning!

cant believe cityangel got her BFP!!! i am SO happy for you if you are reading!!! about flippin time!!!

seaside - wow! think your biscuit book might beat my ornament ........not sure though! yours will come in handy when you are cooking with your little toddler! i am sure my mum will surpass herslef this xmas!

just read on and seen that you ahve joined us city!!! i am SO pleased!!!! theres not much for you to do at first really....just worry like we all did and then hopefully relax and enjoy being pg!!! no wine for you this xmas then hey!! my docs have never doen a pg test with any of my pgs, just believed me! i did hundreds of tests too! and kept them all! ( i still have them actually, but dont tell anyone!!)

Pregs
seaside - Due 22 Jan 08 - Boy
iampg - Due 29 jan 08 - Boy (Oscar)

Births
Chooster -Theo -13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )
Fettle - Toby - 19th September, 8 weeks
Greedy - Marcy - 10th October, 5 weeks (and 5 chins!)

Ok girls - when should I worry about the amount toby needs to sleep? Or should I just revel in the peace (not that it is that peaceful when he's crying/screaming cos he wants to go back to sleep!). So far today he's slept from 9pm last night til 3am (good boy!!), 3am-5am, 515am-6.45am, 745am-900am, 930-1045am, and just gone back to sleep about 15 mins ago! Bear in mind that most of his awake time involves struggling to get him to eat something and him crying cos he wants to go back to sleep. Taking him to be weighed tomorrow to check he is getting enough food in the short bursts before he sleeps again!

Anyway, also wanted to say that I didn't mean DD had swum 3/4 of length, it was only 3/4 of a width - I'd be contacting some super-human agency if my 3 year old, could hold her breath for 3/4 of length!!!

City-angel - so so pleased to see you here. AGree with everyone else, just try and enjoy these few days/weeks before you start to feel really sick!!!. Never had a GP test with any of my 4 pgs - they just believe you. You'd be a pretty strange person who tried to pretend to be pg, as it would be obvious pretty quickly that you weren't! I do remember feeling a bit surprised by the doctor's reaction, as as Seaside said, they aren't really as excited as you are that you're finally pg! but we are!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!

Hey ladies, happy cold and bleak Monday I felt like the weekend just vanished! DH got back about 2am on Sat night (thankfully no toilet disasters) but he was very drunk and clambered about for hours before finally coming to bed at 5am ? he must have felt lousy at the NCT workshop yesterday but hid it well. NCT went well I think the course leader is very young and quite a hippy chick and some of it was a bit ?fluffy? but overall it was good and we learnt a lot. There are 5 other couples ? all foreign to these parts! Ozies, Canadians, Germans, Alaskans, Germans etc etc no Scottish couples! All of them are due before me (but I felt that I looked larger than a few! ) anyway, everyone seemed nice, knowledgeable and intelligent. So far so good

I?ll catch up now had a hectic morning with work, it looks like it is really going to ramp up before I go off, not ideal, I am trying to hit the stress as hit attacks me ? can?t have that can we!!

Greedy ? hope ?operation through the night? gets off to a good start ? gosh so much to think about, how will I take it all in?! How did the Christening go? What did you wear in the end? The one I was at last week, a friends? 2 year old kept shouting hello to the baby being christened and his brother, it was really funny!

I tried not to make snap judgments at NCT but first impressions are funny things aren?t they? I got quite cross at one bit the ?teacher? laid down statements on pieces of card on the floor which had apparently been made by mothers in this area about their births in the last 12 months. Firstly we had to oragnise them in a line in terms of what we thought sounded good and what we thought didn?t and then turn the cards over and note the colours. Basically, the ?good? ones were all yellow or grange and all the ?bad? ones were green or purple. We then had to decide which related to a home birth, which one was a midwife led unit miles away and which were one or other of the two main hospitals here. ERI or St Johns. Funnily enough all the ?bad colours? were the hospitals and the ?teacher? concluded that this meant we should all change to home births or the midwife led unit. There was a couple having a home birth and she was really gung ho and a bit defensive about her choice (I imagine because she has come up against opposition from med profs) I looked around and saw many miserable and scared faces and basically voiced my opinion that I thought the teacher?s approach was wrong . I explained that some of us need to be in hospital for safety reasons beyond the concerns of child birth itself (she?s argued already that it was safer to give birth at home because you have two midwives than in a hospital with one midwife you share with others) and that we didn?t need to be told that the only solution was to change venue but to be taught how to ensure that our own experiences are not bad through education, understanding and confidence . I think I have been earmarked as a trouble maker I don?t think I am up for this perineal massage by the way! did you do it? LOL at your Christmas gifts ? my MIL is like that; totally unsuitable shoe string strap tops normally in horrible colours so ungrateful!

Chooster I just can?t believe Theo is 18 weeks!! did you enjoy that kebab?

Seaside leaning forward as we ?speak? I was quite scared of the film they made out of ?Rebecca? it was the chanting of her name that freaked me out! LOL at the Women?s Institute book aged 13! What a pressie! My Gran gave me a lilac body stocking once that she had got from a ?factory? outlet, it had clearly been washed many, many times and after a few years of receiving ?factory? things we realized that it was actually dead people?s possessions being sold on by families trying to raise some cash ? ugghh! And no, I never wore the stuff! You are so right about the birth ? hopefully it?ll be alright on the night! I?ve heard really good things about that breast pump, my sis recommended it too. I entered a competition to win one 15/12 will be here before you know it we got this chair, have to say, it is a bit less sturdy and well made than I thought it would be but I am sure it?ll do the trick www.kiddicare.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdisplayA_165_10751_-1__16199_10001_ certainly wouldn?t have been worth £300. How exciting about Cityangel I am SO pleased I so wish 3Cats could make it over too.
Ready ? if you are out there ? big hello

Iampg ? well done you with the plastering, all good feotal postioning! kitchen sounds exciting I LOVE my kitchen we had it designed too, it is everything I ever wanted in a kitchen and more god I hate to leave it behind my Mum?s kitchen in Spain is modeled on mine though so maybe I?ll have a fab kitchen again one day ? with real granite work tops this time!!

Pregs
MrsMcJnr ? due 15 Jan 08 - surprise
seaside - Due 22 Jan 08 - Boy
iampg - Due 29 jan 08 - Boy (Oscar)

Births
Chooster -Theo -13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )

ahhh got to go, more later

Pregs
MrsMcJnr ? due 15 Jan 08 - surprise
seaside - Due 22 Jan 08 - Boy
iampg - Due 29 jan 08 - Boy (Oscar)
Rainbowdays - due 7 April
CityAngel - edd tbc...

Births
Chooster -Theo -13th July, now 18 weeks old (I think )
Fettle - Toby - 19th September, 8 weeks
Greedy - Marcy - 10th October, 5 weeks (and 5 chins!)

Hey - CONGRATULATIONS CITYANGEL!!!!! Very very pleased for you . I remember you from ttc, if i remember correctly you have a passion for river barges / container ships (Oh God I hope I haven't mixed you up with someone else ). Anyway, fab to get a newcomer . Am guessing your EDD would be somtime in July which is just amazing to think that my LO will be 1 then . Its so lovely your DP is getting all excited too!!! .

Hi to everyone else, not got long until Theo wakes again... He slept well last night though (woke at 3.30 for a feed) and so did DS1 - hooray!!!!

Oh bugger, he's woken up... crying too... Oops back to sleep.

Glad NCT went well MrsMc - good on you for saying something about hospitals. You are right some people dont have a choice, or are nervous about complications and they shouldn't be made to feel like they are more likely to have a crap labour. There are many many positive hospial birth stories too.

Good to see some dats to remind us of where everyone is at - January is going to be exciting here isn't it

fettle - i wouldnt worry about toby's sleeping. although having said that i have been keeping a sleep diary to keep track of marcys cos she sleeps so much more than my other two did. she slept loads yesterday!!! felt like she was hardly awake at all, only to feed which never takes her long, but she still slept last night. i am sure toby is fine, have you worked out how much he sleeps in total over 24hrs, cos the average is 16 hrs, but that average takes all babies into account even those who only sleep for 10hrs so some have to sleep for a lot more, like your little toby. its just a worry when they are so different to whta you re used to isn't it?

mrs - havent started operation 'through the night' yet! will prob try this weekend. i bought a dress from GEORGE at ASDA for the christening!!!!!! not quite Boden i know, but i actually felt quite good in it!!! glad you enjoyed NCT. we had some real dunces in our class who asked the most stupid questions! i think i was quite clued up like you from reading lots of books, but it amazed me how clueless some of these people were! just read on about you being a trouble maker!!! i felt very similar actually at my classes!!! the 'teacher' told us something which i KNEW was wrong (only cos it was a question about physiology and that was what i studied at uni so i knew she had got it wrong) but stupidly i corrected her!!! whoops!!! not sure why i did really cos i felt a knob as soon as i had and i then felt like she hated me, but i think she soon forgot which one of us pregnant women had been cheeky enough to correct her ( i think she sees so many we all looked the same!) and yes............i did the perineal massage first time round ( which is the only time i tore by the way!) but not 2nd or 3rd time ( intact perineum)...........so what does that say? maybe i would have torn worse if i hadn't of done it, who knows? dont know why you seem shocked by it? what did she tell you to do? it was quite simple what i did! shoestring tops? with your boobs!!!

hey chooster - i cant believe people getting pg now will be due in july! ( such a nice month to have a baby!) its amazing how fast time flies by isnt it? i felt like mrs' due date was AGES away and now its nearly here! you are SO right, jan is going to be VERY exciting! Theo? Crying? i thought he didn't know how!!!

CONFESSION TIME!!!..........i finally stopped bleeding last week, actually about the time that said on here that i was still bleeding! and today i have had some EWCM!!! cant help thinking how nice it would be to have 4........................ and that it would be SO exciting to get pg again!!!............ somebody REALLY needs to talk some sense into me...................please!!!................remind me how crap is it to be pg.....

sorry....i need to structure my posts better i really do!!! i did do english at school really! i just cant be arsed with punctuation, spelling and capitals when typing!!!! sorry, not easy to read is it?!!

sorry....i need to structure my posts better i really do!!! i did do english at school really! i just cant be arsed with punctuation, spelling and capitals when typing!!!! sorry, not easy to read is it?!!

Greedy - don't do it just yet!!!!! [but only cos I'd be jealous, as I'm not allowed another one!!!)

Thanks for the sleeping advice - definitely sleeps more than 16 hours, but i'll work out how much tomorrow!

xxx