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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 17/04/2019 20:13

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.
There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.
MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk
If you need help in obtaining medication, phone them on:
024 7638 2020
Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy
I would like to thank everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.
It has been suggested that I add some practical tooth cleaning advice: a lot of sufferers find using a child's small toothbrush and strawberry toothpaste far less nauseating.
On my image of a pink castle: that is an image I use because when I was little, my family had a Snakes and Ladders board with an image on the last square of a pink castle in the clouds. As Hyperemesis is so like a grotesque version of Snakes and Ladders - eat a meal, go up a ladder, first thing in the morning bile run, down a snake - I have used the image of that pink castle on the last square of that Snakes and Ladders board as a metaphor for the happy end of Hyperemesis.
Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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Teddyreddy · 20/05/2019 08:49

@beforeIhit30 I found the doctors treated me differently with this being my 3rd as well. I walked into the GP at 6 weeks pregnant saying the nausea and vomiting was a lot worse than it should be at that stage, asked for anti nausea drugs and got them - it's not right it's so much harder for first timers to access help!

@HermioneKipper I couldn't tolerate tooth paste either - like CalmerComber said i found using my kids stuff much much better. The age 3-5 stuff has the adult level of fluoride in it and is a bit milder, the age 0-2 stuff has less fluoride but is easier to stomach as it's even milder.

Teddyreddy · 20/05/2019 08:58

@beforeIhit30 if you are getting it on prescription, I've never managed to get any of the easy to take stuff prescribed. What I have been given instead of the tablets (which i couldn't tolerate even in my non HG pregnancies) is a liquid called Sytron - it's normally prescribed for children. I found it much better in terms of not causing constipation than the tablets - no idea about its effect on nausea as I'm managing on spatone so far this pregnancy.

Sorry to hear so many of you are struggling with unsympathetic husbands.

ClareDB · 20/05/2019 09:17

Hi all, sorry to hear so many are struggling. I've had a bad couple of days, I just feel like giving up. I'm so weak, dizzy and can't do anything other than lie down. Trying to get a GP appointment today or tomorrow. I'm still only on metoclopramide but it's not enough now.

My due date is 27th December @Lucinda

DeadDoorpost · 20/05/2019 10:04

Glad you're trying to change it Clare
DS slept through mostly last night so I actually slept well. Dreamt I got kidnapped though 🙄 but they were nice and I was trying to leave clues about where I was.

I'm determined to do something normal today and try and write. I've not done some decent writing since last pregnancy when I was telling Lucinda I'd just finished my degree.

Speaking of which... Lucinda how is your daughter getting on? Is she working as a vet now or doing more courses? I remember you being very proud of her.

Bentley111 · 20/05/2019 12:14

Was so very lucky to see such a fantastic GP this morning. She was very kind, sympathetic and didn't once try to bump me off as a first time mum.
She has diagnosed HG, signed me off for 2 weeks and prescribed 3 x daily promethazine for starters. As many of you have advised, she did say it was trial and error as to what works so to call her if they've not kicked in within 48hrs.

Was so reassuring (for DH as well as me) to hear that this isn't ok and it's not normal and it does require treatment.

ElkieMacjibe · 20/05/2019 12:22

Hi all, just checking in. I had a good day on Saturday, I did a very adventurous thing and went to a gig on the other side of town. My friend was amazing and managed to swap our standing tickets for seating as no way I could have stood throughout. As expected though, such a mammoth activity absolutely wiped me out yesterday and today I'm still feeling extra nauseous despite only getting out of bed half an hour ago. I'm working from home this afternoon so hoping to perk up shortly.

Sorry to see so many new joiners although sounds like you are getting good advice and seeking out the vital medication. I have an appointment next week to get some more and scared the gp will tell me I shouldn't need it by now (19 weeks). I have managed to cut down on metoclopramide but not ondansetron.

Hope everyone has an ok Monday!

DeadDoorpost · 20/05/2019 14:14

Good to hear Bentley! Glad you've got something and that GP was helpful.

Reastie · 20/05/2019 15:25

Bentley that’s fantastic, a helpful and willing gp are worth their weight in gold. I’ve actually already planned to buy mine a bunch of flowers and take it with me to see them at babies 6 week check apt as a thank you as she’s gone over and above what she had to do and has always been fantastic about calling me at home etc and making sure I had medication. I could not have got this far without her. Is that a bit weird bringing her flowers? I have never even considered it before for any doctors etc!

Elkie well done for making the gig, very impressed. I’ve had to pull out of two concerts during pg because I can’t manage it :( hopefully a rest day and things will be a bit easier.

Dead did you get any writing done?

Clare have you got an appointment?

composed · 20/05/2019 15:59

Dead hope you’re feeling better today and managed to do some writing as you wanted x Reastie having a good gp whilst going through hg is worth its weight in gold as you said so not at all I think that would be sooo nice of you!

Bentley hope the new meds work and its good she’s said to go back if they aren’t. Clare hope you’ve been able to see a gp as there are other options to try if whatever meds you are on atm aren’t working.

Sorry if I have missed anyone and hope everyone is doing better than yesterday x

ClareDB · 20/05/2019 16:32

I haven't been able to make an appointment yet, the phone line has been engaged all day Angry Will try again first thing tomorrow. I definitely need to see someone, I've hardly kept anything down all day and just slept most of the day.

@Reastie I think that's a lovely idea, I would definitely do that.

@Bentley That's so good you've got a good GP, hope the meds work but if not, you know you've got good support if you need to go back.

DeadDoorpost · 20/05/2019 16:47

clare is it worth a trip to the hospital? Or try the OOH later on.

Sadly didn't get any writing done as of yet as DS wouldn't leave the keyboard/mouse/cupboard alone. May get some done later though now everyone else is back home.

Update on the house: we won't be going for it as FiL isn't comfortable being guarantor at the moment. He's gone some sort of bad feeling about it and he's often right so that's fine. I always trust my gut and I'm not sad which means for us we'll still be here for now. Just hoping something better turns up before I give birth. Won't be the end of the world if it doesn't. Means we can save more money in the meantime.

LucindaE · 20/05/2019 17:58

Bentley I am so glad you saw a helpful doctor, who even advised you to return if they don't work in a couple of days. That is so good. I so agree with you about beforeihit30's cooking. It sounds outstanding. And this is when she is ill?
ClareDB Sorry about bad days. I hope you are due for some good ones. Sorry: remind me what meds you are on? I've added your Festive Season baby.
Teddyreddy So true.
ElkieMacjibe Congratulations on gig. How brave.
Reastie I know what you mean about missing salds. I had a dreadful experience with pasta bake myself, which I sitll remember and which resulted in the wardrobe having tomato staines on it as I rushed by - and I am glad you didn't with yours.
DeadDoorPost It's a shame you couldn't get to the keyboard to write. But sometimes, writing in the old fashioned way with pen and notebook can make for a better free flow of ideas. It is hard to find time for writing with LO's, but these years are precious in another way, and to my mind in raising good people you are doing the most important job in the world. My daughter is now starting her second job as a vet. But I did mean it when I told her as a kid that I would be proud of her whatever she did, so long as she was the sort of person who gave more than she took. sententious, I know. [winks]
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked. Here's the new Due Dates.
Due Dates
bumblebee 20 May
Nighttimenope 13 July
evuscha 26 July
emma 4 August
CalmerComber 5 August TWINS
Teddyreddy 9 August
advocadoo 11 August
canonlyhope 13 August
Bili 16 August
Hairgician 16 August TWINS!
norbert 26 August
beforei hit30 3 September
stroen 4 September
DeadDoorPost 8 September
1Potato 8 September
MoonKid 1 October TWINS!
ElkieMacjibe 12 October
TwoShades1 17 October
cattaxi 19 October
BlodwynBludd 16 November
Composed 30 November
ClareDB 27 December

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ClareDB · 20/05/2019 18:18

@Lucinda I'm only on metoclopramide currently. I started with cyclizine which didn't work, then I was prescribed metoclopramide but told to stop taking the cyclizine (so not to take them together) The metoclopramide definitely helped for a couple of weeks but as I'm approaching the dreaded week 9, I'm getting much worse 😥 x

Bentley111 · 20/05/2019 19:11

Thank you all ThanksI've slept most of the afternoon, apparently promethazine is also used to treat insomnia so no wonder I felt knocked out! Have just been awfully sick again this eve but am going to try to eat a jacket pot for tea.

Well done for managing the gig @ElkieMacjibe, glad you had a lovely time.

@Reastie I don't think it's weird at all if she's been so kind to you... in fact I think GPs are often given stick and not credited enough, I'm sure she'd be very grateful for them.

Sorry you're feeling rubbish @ClareDB - hope you manage to get some sort of help today. Is it worth calling 111?

@LucindaE my DD is 13th Jan

Blii · 20/05/2019 20:00

Evening. Sorry to hear so many are having a horrid time Sad. It never felt like it at the beginning but it does get better. Just take it minute by minute.
I remember the crazy dreams I used to get at the beginning. I had lots of flying spiders in my room and would wake my husband up to get rid of them. Obviously there was no spiders and a very annoyed husband Grin I wonder if it’s got something to do with the pills.
It’s walk to school week here. That’s not happening. I picked up the eldest on foot this afternoon and he was very happy to be walking home. But I had a continuous braxton hick contraction the whole time and felt very uncomfortable. If I feel ok tomorrow then I will do the same as I think the exercise is good. But I can’t do both the school and nursery on foot in the mornings. It’s tooo far.

Those that are feeling movement, how often does baby get hiccups? I have midwife on Thursday so I shall ask her but I feel like this baby has hiccups ALL THE TIME. Sometimes they’re normal couple of seconds apart and sometimes they’re quickfire like a fit or something. He seems to move around quite happily though.

DeadDoorpost · 20/05/2019 21:29

Blii DS never had hiccups, or if he did I never felt them. So far, DD hasn't had hiccups either. Yet my nephew hiccupped all the time. SiL got fed up with it

HermioneKipper · 21/05/2019 01:35

Sending hugs to everyone feeling rubbish. But also pleased to hear that it can get better.

@claredb I think we may be in exactly the same boat. My due date is also 27 December and have been feeling even worse this last week. Also on metoclopromide which helped for about the first week and now not touching it. Cyclizine and avomine also didn’t help.

I have my booking in appointment with the midwife tomorrow and the doctor told me I needed to speak to her before we could discuss anymore meds. So really hoping she can suggest something.

Was sick first thing - on nothing. Then after I forced down a slice of marmite on toast. The only thing I seem to be able to keep down is rice noodles made in an oxo cube broth.

Luckily husband has been very apologetic and attentive today. Said he was exhausted yesterday and he snapped because “I told him off for being grumpy with my mum” Hmmmm.

I know it must be hard being practically a single parent at the moment but I feel so guilty about barely spending any time with my daughter as it is so don’t make me feel worse! I’m in the worst state I’ve ever been in.

ClareDB · 21/05/2019 07:48

@Hermionekipper Ahh wow due date buddies! All 3 of my babies have been early though so hoping for pre-Christmas! I haven't even had a date for my booking appointment yet, I'll chase that up today as well. I did consider 111 last night but it's so difficult getting to OOH with 3 other children and I was so tired I just fell asleep. I'm definitely seeing someone today though even if I have to turn up and demand to be seen! I'm starting to not be able to keep my thyroxine medication down and that could have serious implications for the baby so hopefully they will take me seriously. Hope your booking appointment goes well.

I don't think I ever felt hiccups with any of my previous pregnancies. Yet as babies they got hiccups loads!

I do feel sorry for my OH. He is basically a single dad to my 3 children at the moment whilst trying to hold down a full time job. I think he's more understanding as this isn't my first pregnancy but I do feel terrible guilt seeing him rush around whilst I lay down all day.

Hope everyone has better days today x

Reastie · 21/05/2019 08:06

Clare yes see someone today, let us know how you go.

Hermione for weeks in first trimester my go to food was rice noodles with loads of soy sauce. It was often the only thing I could consistently manage.

Blii I’m 35 weeks and have never noticed hiccoughs in baby. I think some just hiccough more than others! I did notice them with dd.

Re weird dreams, had my horriblest one last night where I murdered a baby and then cut it up onto pieces to try to hide it. I don’t think I’ve ever had a dream where I’ve been a murderer before and woke up in a cold sweat and was so disturbed I couldn’t get back to sleep. Please don’t judge me! I’d never do anything like that ever in rl!

DeadDoorpost · 21/05/2019 09:36

reastie Not judging, I've had some weird dreams over the years, not just whilst pregnant! Most recent one was the other night. I was kidnapped. The night before that I dreamt two girls got killed by lightning. That one woke me up and took me ages to get back to sleep after so classed as a nightmare for me. I'm going to turn that one into a novel I think.

DS slept through mostly last night!! Woke once and then finally woke up about half 8 I think, maybe a bit earlier. Either way, he's being good so far. So why am I still so tired?!?!? 😭😭

clare before i forget... definitely push to be seen. If you can't take your thyroxin due to sickness then that should hopefully make it easy for you to be talked to. Big it up if needs be.

ClareDB · 21/05/2019 13:03

I saw a different GP today who was quite understanding. I had to choose between going to hospital or trying one last drug, ondansetron. I opted for the ondansetron and she said if it hasn't worked within a day or two I'll be off to hospital. I was showing ketones but only a trace so I'm not sure if the hospital would have done much anyway. Now I'm struggling to get hold of the ondansetron. It's the dispersible ones and they seem to be out of stock everywhere.

DeadDoorpost · 21/05/2019 15:13

clare if the GP sends you to hospital then they have to see you. And as you're pregnant you're classed as high risk. Some are better than others though

Reastie · 21/05/2019 15:27

Clare ondansetron is good stuff. You can take up to 8mg 3 x day. For me I was given an initial dose of 4 mg 3 x day which didn’t help much but 8 did a lot more. I had to ring around a number of chemists initially to find it in stock somewhere. If it’s not in stock then I’d get it ordered in with a chemist (usually they can get it next day) and call your doctor to ask to send you to hospital as dead is implying that will be better than just turning up without a go having sent you. They will be able to hydrate you which should keep you going until the ondansetron comes in. Make sure you get a laxative with ondansetron!

Dead that is fantastic about the sleep last night.

composed · 21/05/2019 15:33

Dead good to hear you had a better night. Clare so glad you have a good gp and new meds to try but make sure you take lactulose as I am currently experiencing the dreaded constipation (omg).

Reastie hope you’re well. Had a bit of a wobble this morning when my dd asked if i could drop her off to school today and was so upset when I said i couldn’t yet. That then made me upset and spent some time crying over it. I feel at times I am getting better then relapse, don’t see me being able to come off my meds anytime soon either.

beforeIhit30 · 21/05/2019 15:46

Bentley Grin the pink castle dinner party! So glad you saw a good GP and that your DH understands a bit more about HG now too.

Ah thanks Reastie for helping me understand iron! I was put on iron fairly early on in my last two pregnancies, but as I had no major issues I just took it and never really asked what low iron can cause/lead to, so it’s helpful to have a better idea now. And whilst I’ve not been quite so scary in a dream Grin I do have really weird and crazy dreams during pregnancy.

Thank you for the recommendation Teddy I’ll see what I can get through the GP, if only the standard tablets at least I can look for available liquids in Boots etc.

Clare hope you can get some ondansetron soon. I’m on thyroxine also, apparently thyroid issues are connected with HG (although they’re not 100% sure how or why, but might be because thyroxine and pregnancy hormones have very similar chemical structures). My TFTs have bounced around quite a bit, which is unusual for me including in pregnancy so I’m wondering if it’s all related to being sick, absorption etc. Don’t know if this would help you at all but I take my thyroxine just before I go to sleep (have done this for years, even though I know they suggest in the morning on an empty stomach), I find this much easier and I find evening tablets easier than during the day currently.

For everyone feeling guilty, I totally understand but also want to say that you don’t need to feel guilty and try not to think about it. I also have felt guilty, but the length of this illness has forced me to get used to being taken care of! I also have a bit of a different perspective from personal experience. Obviously this wouldn’t apply to everyone but in my case, I have been the main ‘carer’ in our house for years, because DH has a chronic illness so I’ve cared for him many times as well as our DCs. Yes it was tiring, and sometimes overwhelming during the toughest moments, but I never once felt like DH should “get over it” - it was simply how it was, I knew he had no control and I just had to do whatever I needed to do to get by; maybe I didn’t get much ‘down time’, or maybe I didn’t take up every career opportunity/invitation to travel with a senior person/evening event etc, but frankly I married my husband and chose to have children with him, I didn’t marry my job or my friends or relatives and I wasn’t forced into anything so we share all responsibilities. One time, I was working full time in a very stressful job, studying part time for my masters, DH was very ill (in midst of a sudden major relapse, all sorts of hospital visits etc), and then my two DCs, who have SEN, got chicken pox! I pretty much cracked! But, I cracked at work, because it was the one thing that actually could give way, and I basically told them straight that the workload was ridiculous and “by the way, you know I have a whole bunch of stuff going on at home, you’re paying for me to study so you know I have that on too, and if things don’t change I’m out”. Which seems like a precarious move when you only have one salary, but it worked (to an extent, I won’t go into the ins and outs!).

...So, in the nicest sense, I really don’t have much sympathy for the DPs who are feeling the strain Blush Grin because if they were ill the situation would be the same in reverse, because this is their family, their home, and so they need to prioritise that as much as is practically possible when it comes to work and friends/other relatives. Absolutely they might find it hard or tiring, but this is life, and there is an end date to this, and they just need to crack on. I find, generalisation here, a lot of women do this, whereas I find it to be less common with men who simply don’t expect to ever be in a primary caring role.

It’s taken me a long while to believe this though Grin but my DH has been hammering into me for a while too, luckily he is better right now although he’s still in relapse and symptomatic, he sees it as “his turn” to shoulder the load. He’s tired, he doesn’t get much down time, he takes care of pretty much everything, he has every right to feel worn down, but he never gets annoyed or grumpy with me about it, probably because of our past experiences, but also because I’m sick because of our baby, a pregnancy we both chose to enter, and it just is what it is. Moaning isn’t going to change anything!

I’ll stop ranting there... Blush

As an aside I’m still feeling okay, which is good. My fit note ends this week so need to get a new one (a few relatively good days does not a recovery make). Going to try and go out tomorrow, a bit nervous, but it’s been several weeks since I went any further than the school/local shop so will try and go slightly further tomorrow...