Reduced movements. Been for scan no feral movements felt or seen

[MissMoodyMoo]

Hi I'm 36w1 been out or hospital since Sunday after having sepsis! Reduced movements started on Tuesday but been in for monitoring and heart rate etc fine. Been for scan again could see heart beating but no movement seen or felt by sonographer. Babies heart beat keeps spiking and midwife saying that's her moving but I'm not feeling the movements. I feel like they are just fobbing me off. I feel like there is something wrong and no one is listening to me

Advice would be great please 😌

I'm the trace just now.
Midwife says she looks happy and normal but when I questioned why I can't feel her move or why she isn't moving she said that it's possibly something to do with her moving and getting into position? But that does against everything I've been told up until now with regards to movement pattern? She hasn't had a pattern for 5 days! I've felt her 5 times at post in the last 5 days

No one's listening or they are just giving answers without actually thinking of the outcome

Ayrshire have a red flag for stillbirth rate, at least 10% higher than rest of the country. They have been warned by the healthboard. Quote this at them.

Haven't RTFT but saw your earlier and later posts. OP please do not leave. Go with your cut. If you've noticed reduced movements that dramatic then there must be a reason.

*gut obviously, not cut.

I would actually say "I don't want to be part of your still birth statistic, since I was seriously ill her movements have really changed, I can barely feel them I think something is wrong"

It could be that she has change position and now the cord is wrapped around her body something not sinister as such but why the hell are they taking the risk

Ask someone to document, clearly, in your medical notes, that they are continuing to deny your concerns. Explain that you will then be naming them personally in any law suits, due to continued negligence, and will be going after their registration to whichever professional body they are currently a part of. That the track record of the unit is already under review due to the higher prevalence of complications. Contact PALS at the hospital. You'd be surprised what can be achieved when you ask someone to take responsibility. Best of luck xx

I’d agree. Ask for names of Midwives and Drs making decisions about your care along with their NMC/GMC numbers.

Have you spoken to a consultant?

So glad you are on a trace. Reduced movements, recent history of sepsis, family history of stillbirth, your baby is now a good 36 week gestation, you are an understandable nervous wreck - i just cant understand why they wouldn't at least consider delivering or keeping you in for monitoring. Is there any way you can get to the Queen Elizabeth in Glasgow?

Not spoke to consultant yet as there is only one on for the hospital as it's a Sunday. It's the same one that I seen on Friday and she seemed really nice. My mum's ready and raring to go with questions etc!! I feel like a terrified wee girl that can't stop crying or stick up for herself which is completely out of character for me

Ask to speak to Pals, someone else suggested on here over a different problem when they were in hospital, apparently it worked very successfully.

www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/nhs-services-and-treatments/what-is-pals-patient-advice-and-liaison-service/

Please go to QEUH if possible. I was meant to be at another hospital but refused as I'd heard bad things about it so went there instead.

They were amazing with my 2nd. I'd had a preemie DC1 who no one had picked up wasn't growing properly (preeclampsia) so with DC2 they had me on trace lots and if I felt anything wasn't right they were happy to have me as long as possible. They also agreed to induce at 37 weeks because I felt more comfortable with this (DC came before that anyway) and that was despite no issues being identified with DC2.

Dr Brennand was my consultant.

Get the MAMA Academy website up on your phone to the page where movements shouldn't change at the end etc.

Would be interesting to see what the NICE guidelines are.

Agree with @WeeDoughball. Get yourself to the southern and refuse to leave. They are fabulous in there.

OP can't go through PALS because she's in Scotland, it's a different system here. PASS through the CAB would be closest equivalent I think (www.cas.org.uk/pass) but probably not helpful right in this moment.

Absolutely agree with going up to RAH at Paisley or the Queen Elizabeth in Glasgow OP if you're not happy after speaking to consultant, or they send you away again without any plans. And in the meantime keep asking questions. "Why is my baby still having reduced movements? Why aren't you worried about 5 days of very reduced movements after I've had sepsis, what are you seeing that's reassuring you? Why don't you think there is a risk of stillbirth here? Explain this to me."

I would ask them to write in your notes a statement from you saying “I am worried that following sepsis I haven’t felt my baby move for 5 days and I have a family history of still birth”. Might help them concentrate. Foetal heart rates are the last thing to change and by then it’s too late. You know her movements and that this is wrong.

53rd way's questions are good. Because actually - and I'm not minimising, although reduced movements are ALWAYS important to get checked out (and important to check as much as you want), they are not always a sign that something is wrong - there is a very subtle difference and I don't think all the responses on this thread are going to help with your anxiety. Get them to reassure you as much as you need if they really are convinced everything is ok.

Been seen by consultant and she again has insured me that everything seems fine with the baby and sometimes babies aren't as active and some mum's can't feel movements?? She has offered me to come in every day to be monitored but they won't intervene until 39 weeks if everything on the monitor still appears normal

My friend and my other friends sister in law had stillborns three years ago within ten days at AMU they had both been up with lack of movement. Do NOT leave until you are happy I'm horrified reading this is happening to you.

Some Mums can't feel movements but that is usually from the beginning.

Take up theirs offer of daily monitoring but consider going elsewhere for a 2nd opinion?

It's time for you to go to another hospital for a 2nd opinion my lovely. Be strong and don't stop until you've got what you want which is your baby safe in your arms. I've just been reading up on Ayrshire and I'm shocked!

Op, can you decide what you do want ( to be admitted and monitored, to be referred to another hospital?) and then just politely but assertively say ' I have been seriously ill, the amount I am feeling movements has drastically decreased, I have a family history of stillbirth and I am not willing to leave until (desired outcome). Then just do the broken record technique. They will probably get annoyed, but can hardly throw you out.

Fuck Ayrshire Maternity Unit get to Glasgow for a second opinion op. If they are of the same opinion then that will reassure you and give you peace of mind because the worrying isn't good for you or the baby.

Do I phone up one of the Glasgow hospitals for an appointment? Or just present myself with concerns? Also I'm swaying on to whether to contact the maternity mental health consultant too as I'm on the edge of a nervous breakdown over it all

I would just turn up tbh!