Fed is Best!!!!!!

[HotDawg123]

If you choose to breast feed - good for you
If you choose to bottle feed - good for you
But if you choose to be a breast feeding warrior and look at those who choose to bottle feed as scum then I hope you slip in dog shit tomorrow.

The amount of horrible women I've come across who are like this is too many now. And as I am heavily pregnant and have hormone rage it is really pissing me off.

Thank you for listening.

neon Even if it was a family member or close friend? So you knew their medical history and lifestyle? Most of these groups, you send off a batch of milk to be tested and if it comes back clean you can donate to other kids. I've never done it, I don't think I would do it but it's an option. Some people think another's breastmilk is preferable to formula.

The resource you suggested for finding donor milk didn't have any in England, Scotland or Wales though. And the Northern Ireland link went to page not found.

I'd have been fine with donor milk from a hospital milk bank. I'd have considered donor milk from a close friend or relative but been wary, partly because of guaranteeing availability of supply. I would never consider using donor milk that wasn't regulated.

www.ukamb.org/milk-banks/

So not a single one of those milk banks have any milk available? As the website says they donate pretty much exclusively to SCBUs and NICUs as those are the babies that need it most. My own hospital has donor milk, because they suggested me donating as I had a massive oversupply.

Human Milk 4 Human Babies UK is a Facebook page, not a website. Have you looked on there? As I said, I was just answering your question about where to look. I gave formula instead of donated breastmilk myself.

From the HM4HB UK page. This is one of the unregulated organisations that suggest self pasteurising donated milk.

I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just showing logistics from the WHO's suggestion of donated milk. I wouldn't do it personally, but it is an option for people that want to.

No i wouldn't take donor milk from a friend or relative. They could be carrying something they don't know about. Formula milk is safe and perfectly suitable for my children's nutritional needs. They're on preemie milk and are absolutely thriving. If have liked to breastfeed but as it didn't work, formula is a safe alternative.

Such as? what potenial diseases do you think are transmitted in fresh human milk?

And formula can be contaminated. Its basically a petri dish - bacteria heaven, unlike fresh human milk

There was no response to my question about where you get donor milk from as it's meant to be preferable to formula

Well, "from human lactating breasts" seemed glib.. but since you ask...

www.babycenter.com/404_what-infections-can-pass-through-breast-milk_8840.bc

As I understand it, the HIV risk is from DIRECT breastfeeding, not the actual milk (cuts on nipples) but if that's incorrect, all women in the UK who opt in to pregnancy screening are offered a HIV test as part of thier routine booking bloods, so if your wet-nurse/donor opted out of that you can agree between you to have a test before proceeding.

Donor milk is tested and pasteurised as far as I'm aware.

"formula is a safe alternative."

Usually - but NEC is a real risk for preterm babies, and it's much reduced in babies who have breastmilk:

"Human milk compared with formula is the most important strategy associated with a lower risk of NEC (figure 1) [4-8]. This was best illustrated by a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials which demonstrated that the risk of NEC was increased 2.8 times in infants who were fed formula compared with those who were fed donor human milk (relative risk [RR] 2.77, 95% CI 1.40-5.46) [8]. Thus, in many units, if mothers' own milk is unavailable, pasteurized donor human milk is used, which appears to decrease the risk of NEC [9]. This approach is consistent with the 2012 American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) breastfeeding policy statement [10]"

From here: here

"My period came back straight away"

Periods not coming back straight away is part of nature's grand plan to reduce anaemia in childbearing women. Also to reduce fertility, as pregnancy outcomes are better when there is gap of at least a few months, if not a few years between pregnancies.

Yep! Worked out for me well though.

Formula is a safer option than unregulated donor milk. Wouldn't want my baby to risk hepatitis thanks.

Formula is a safer option than unregulated donor milk Not according to the WHO

You don't have to CHOSE it, you don't have to like the idea, but no, formula is the least safe choice, donor milk is still safer.

Diana, were your babies preterm? Did you know about NEC?

It occurs in more than 1 in 10 babies born weighing less than 1500g but can also occur in full term babies. Feeding a baby on human milk is one of the few things which help prevent it.

Were you offered donor milk?

This thread is full of cliquey posts from people who come across as thinking themselves as a little bit better than everyone else and just sound pretty sanctimonious.

Has it occurred to anyone that some of the attitudes on here heavily contribute to the reasons why women choose not to seek out breastfeeding support and ultimately end up FFing? These kinds of attitudes and comments are a large part of the reason why I ended up FFing DC1 after a struggle to EBF and then combination feed - I wanted actual help and support, not judgement and guilt, which is what I received from the NCT and from a local breastfeeding 'support' group.

I am currently expecting DC2 and would like to thank you for reminding me of how awful the experience and attitudes were so I think twice before putting myself through it again when DC2 arrives.

Is the WJO talking about regulated and pasteurised donor milk, or unregulated, potentially disease ridden milk?

The WHO includes wetnursing, i.e. not pasteurised/formal donor milk, as preferable to formula, yes.

Formula can contain pathogens too

"from people who come across as thinking themselves as a little bit better than"

Which bits of people's posts contain comments where they indicate they feel they're better than other people? Do you want to bespecific?

Because I'd suggest that defending breastfeeding often prompts that sort of accusation.

I wonder why so many babies thrive on formula if its so dangerous.

Lots of kids have been fine in backless boosters, that doesn't disprove the evidence that high back boosters are SAFER than backless booster seats