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yorkshirelass79 · 04/01/2007 13:35

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lazyemma · 04/01/2007 13:43

"yes the feotus is a potential baby,

which means if not terminated it will become a fully grown living person,

its not a piece of meat, its a child,

im sorry its hard to swallow, but its the truth"

Abortion isn't ever an easy decision, but involves a balance of rights and interests. The absolute rights of the mother over her own body (of which the foetus is a part) must always take precedence: the alternative is too horrible to think about.

filthymindedvixen · 04/01/2007 13:43

well done YL!

UCM · 04/01/2007 13:44

I am 37 weeks pg and I can honestly say that, yes it feels like a baby now and I am not sure at what point it felt like one.But at 6 weeks pg, it didn't, not at all.

I have had a termination years ago because I was accidentially pregnant after a brief fling. I terminated the baby because there was absolutely no way I knew this man well enough to know if we had a future together. So as you can see I am not against abortion.

Moving onto adoption, having a baby and giving it up for adoption is vastly different from having a 6 week old pg terminated. For a start the baby begins to move and you feel it later on which starts off the bond IYKWIM.

Just my thoughts on this really.

lulumama · 04/01/2007 13:46

we all have the potential to become things..that we aren't necessarily going to become...the world is just not as black an white as 'it is a baby and must be brought into the world at any cost'

Saturn74 · 04/01/2007 13:49

Thanks for pointing out this thread, Lulumama.

kittylette · 04/01/2007 13:51

look i think abortion is wrong in most cases excepting some - pregnancy as a result of rape, a pregnancy that causes danger to a mother life - medical reasons

otherwise abortion to me is nothing more than the murder of a baby

if a woman hasnt the access to a termination and doesnt want her baby is it ok to wait until she gives birth and smother it?

wheres the line?

at 38 weeks pregnant - is that a baby?

the moment is born?

how many weeks?

for me its conception,

lulumama · 04/01/2007 13:51

no worries..well done to yorkshire lass for starting it..

lulumama · 04/01/2007 13:52

medical reasons - surely include mental illness..that can be just as harmful to a mothers life too.......

lulumama · 04/01/2007 13:54

kitty-- no-one is talking about terminating a third trimester pregnancy here... a 6 week pregnancy is far different...

women used to have to go to back street abortionists at terrible risk to their own health or indeed conceal the pregnancy and then abandon the baby....

that is the alternative to pro choice

TheArmadillo · 04/01/2007 13:56

One thing that lulumama said on the other thread hit me - and that was about becoming more prochoice since having children. Seeing how much hard work they are etc.

I never thought that would be the case, and it has shocked me (as someone who was steadfastly against abortion before) and I'm not sure it would mean I'd ever be able to amke that choice.

But what it has made me see is what a huge impact a child has on your life and how that can't be taken lightly and what a difficult descision it is to take. Its help me understand the other point of view and to try and empathise with those who do have to take a descision that is very hard. I have changed my mind over it all.

kittylette · 04/01/2007 13:56

well in the case of mental illness - if theres a significant chance the mother would/ or has tried to harm herself due to unwanted pregnancy them that may be included, but if shes just depressed then no,

we all feel down sometimes, obviously if its SERIOUS mental illness - were talking being put away for her own safety then yes,

but then again the baby could be adopted

this is a very hard question because its fiction, there would have to be very throrough look into each individual case obviously

lulumama · 04/01/2007 13:57

kitty- you ever been depressed ?

kittylette · 04/01/2007 13:57

26 weeks or 6 weeks - to me its honestly no diffence,

6 weeks just makes the mum feel better - 'its not as bad'

well it is

kittylette · 04/01/2007 13:58

like i said, one persons depression can be worlds away in terms of seriousness than anothers, it would depend on the severity of it

lulumama · 04/01/2007 14:00

so someone who was so depressed they were suicidal, they should carry the baby to term,, give birth and then have the baby adopted

that would be better for her mental health and stability than an early termination at 6 or 7 weeks pregnant

sorry if i shocked you armadillo.

kitty , you and i are not going to agree. you also have strong religious beliefs, that strengthen your point of view. i respect that , but do not agree .

bundle · 04/01/2007 14:00

kittylette how on earth can you agree with abortion if a woman has been raped, surely it's still a baby too?

TheArmadillo · 04/01/2007 14:01

didn't explain myself properly - shocked me cos I felt the same myself. NOt that I thought that it was a shocking statement to make (IYSWIM) - sorry brain not functioning today.

kittylette · 04/01/2007 14:01

no i said if they were so depressed they were suicidal they should be allowed a termination, its one of the cases where its justified,

Saturn74 · 04/01/2007 14:02

kittylette, I used to have a black and white view of these issues, similar to yours I think. That was when I was much younger, and before I learnt that life is far from simple, that cruel things happen, and that many people, including 'highly moralistic' people have to make hard, difficult, unpleasant and nasty decisions sometimes.
It must be nice to be able to see things in such a clear-cut way as you do, but I don't think it really works if you're faced with certain situations.
You are perfectly entitled to your firm convictions, of course - I'm not at all disputing your right to say what you believe.

kittylette · 04/01/2007 14:02

my problem with termination lies with people who have sex get pregnant and see termination as an easy way out

twoplusone · 04/01/2007 14:03

I personally couldnt have an abortion but would not say I am against them as it is up to the individual.. OK here it goes if I am wrong I appologise...
kittylette- you asking wheres the line... (please correct me if I am wrong but as I understand) the law for obstretics(sp) states that if a baby is born before 24weeks then the medical staff on hand DO NOT have to work to save the baby if they do not feel it is viable . so how would that be classed..
But once over 24weeks then the pg is viable for survival so they have to do all they can to save the baby....

probably a bad example.....

lulumama · 04/01/2007 14:03

it is as bad- in your opinion

no-one is saying it should be taken lightly or used as contraception or that it is not a serious matter

the women i know who have terminated pregnancies are not laughing about it now, believe me..but the pain they have is better than what would have happened otherwise.

you haven;t been there and experienced it, you are lucky you have such strong beliefs and a family and husband that would support you whatever.....not everyone has that..not everyone has the capacity to cope with unplanned children...

beckybrastraps · 04/01/2007 14:03

I don't understand the caveats. If an oposition to termination is based on the idea of "the murder of a baby", why the get-out clauses?

kittylette · 04/01/2007 14:04

i UNDERSTAND its not clear cut, and people have hard desisions to make,

if I got pregnant - what ever time, i couldnt kill my child

lulumama · 04/01/2007 14:05

no-one, kitty, has said it is an easy way out, absolutely the contrary

thanks armadillo

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