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Quootiepie - Im on msn [email protected] we can talk more freely there. I completely sympathise with you - so completely. Please contact me x

i am catholic, and i do use contraception

i believe ending a pregnancy is a sin, but preventing one isnt,

just because i believe in my faith , doesnt mean i believe everything my faith says

for instance i dont believe homosexuality is a sin,

NOTHING is black and white, for instance we all know killimg is wrong,

but there are instances when it is acceptable - self defence - protecting your family

its so hard to get your opinions across correctly here

i maintain that I coulnt have an abortion, and i may be loud in my opinion and my own grief for lost babies but i ASSURE you, however i may come across, i know the pain mums must go through in this situation, and my heart aches for you,

but as a mum it also aches for the life inside you,

and i dont judge, honestly if you have a valid reason, relating to you, your family - i do not judge

so YOU are allowed to pick parts of catholicism which suit you, but other value systems are wrong?

your comments HAVE been judgemental.

quootie, ((()))

my aunt went through something similar,

she got pregnant at 16, her BF wanted her to abort, and she agreed

my mum tried everything to stop her, but she was adament, and she did it,

then her BF left her, she aborted so she could be with him

she then lter tried to concieve for 12 years without luck - it destroyed her, she had breakdowns, bought dolls to cuddle ect

she thought god was punishing her for her abortion,

she cried for that baby everyday

i see what it can do and its so sad :

everybody is allowed their own views on this- views shouldnt be asked unless prepared for the mixture of opinions.

i for one am with kitty

although, i hasten to add, i respect peoples choices and opinions too-everybody different

I cry every day aswell. Having a baby, you can put it up for adoption, give it to relatives, anything. THeres nothing you can do once you have an abortion. Believe me, at my "darkest" ive wondered if they could put it back in. Thats what I thought when I came round afterwards. First thought. "can they put it back in?".

thats sad

On the other hand, if someone desperatly needed/wanted one, rather than kill the baby after birth, or throw it in a bin, I feel thats... different I guess. I just think you can get them too easily. All I said to the GP was mum would be dissapointed, and I wanted to go to college. Never told that the college would have a creche, or anything. He just booked me in.

your very brave quootie xxx

I'm with you to Kitty, a life is precious no matter how far along it is.

"and i dont judge, honestly if you have a valid reason, relating to you, your family - i do not judge"

the fact you would choose what is a valid reason, is a judgement!

your opinion of valid and mine would wildly differ.

we all make judgments every day, it is whether you share them, how you share them and if you do so appropriately that is also relevant

Quootie....i sincerely hope yo get the help you need as until yo can come to terms with and move on from the termination, your life will be on hold...

Quootie have you ever heard of a Rachel retreat?

"I'm with you to Kitty, a life is precious no matter how far along it is."

Presumably, then, you would prefer a society where women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, with all the physical and emotional strains that entails. You value the potential life of a bundle of cells more than you do that of a living, breathing, human being.

If they didn't want to be pregnant then they shouldn't be having sex. Once a baby is conceived it is a life to. I do care about people who are in a bad situation, but it is a situation of their own doing and it is deplorable to terminate a life out of convienance. You to were once just a bundle of cells.

not brave. No- whats Rachel retreat? xxx

Paula..very few people live like that ,and it is not right to punish women for having sex, purely for enjoyment, if the contraception fails...by making them carry to term

as lazyemma says, the living breathing mother should take precedence

is the MAP also not allowed ?

So: enforced celibacy for all women who don't want to become pregnant. As for women who do become pregnant for any reason (and I know women who have used condoms and the pill at the same time, and both failed), they should be forced to carry the pregnancy to term, bringing an unwanted child into the world - the only option then being to have the child adopted.

I'd hate to live in your ideal world, "paulaplumpbottom" (what a misleadingly cuddly handle for someone with such autocratic leanings). Brrr.

Yes, I was a bundle of cells too, but I'm not so solipsistic as to imagine that my own existence is so all-important that the rights of my mother were secondary to it.

Just googled it, thanks for that. Have a number on there for a retreat in London area - Might give them a call. Thankyou so much

Quootie a Reachel retreat is a get together, it usually last over a weekend and the women there have all had abortions, they confide in eachother and there are counselers there who can help you through the greiving process. I'm not sure when or where the next one is but I can find out for you if you like.

If people want to have sex fine, but you can't possibly just thinks its ok to say oh well I'll just kill it.Thats so irresponsible. Its not diffrent than child sacrifice and people do it everyday. They do as a sacrifice to their youth or to their careers. Its selfish and its wrong.That unborn child has just as much right to live as the mother. Her life is no more important than that life that she has helped create.

I do live in the real world. In the real world people have to face up to their responsiblitys, motherhood is the ultimate responsibilty.

Thankyou Paula... I found the website, mainly based in USA, but, they have 3 places in the UK, and one in London, which isn't too far really. If you could find out the date of the next one, that would be really really really great. Thankyou xXxXx

I can let you know tommorow.

thankyou so much xXx