###### YOOOOHOOOOO ###### K I T T Y L E T T E ######### OVER HEEEERE!!!

[yorkshirelass79]

Message withdrawn

kittylette that's Daily Mail tripe. Most women who are in this situation like clothears are ordinary people, not sleeping around, just unlucky and don't use termination as a form of contraception.

and if life starts at conception - I really can't get my head round you "ok-ing" abortion for women who've been raped or for whom there are strong medical contraindications - surely your strongly held beliefs would dictate that "nature" should take its course?

because there are situations that are uncontrolable

1)a raped woman didnt chose to be raped, she didnt choose to take the chance of pregnancy

whereas a woman who has consenual sex has

2. a woman whos life is is danger from contiinuing a pregnancy

her life in this case is more important - especially if she always has a family

its not just my believefs, these are the beliefs of the catholic church in writing

Terminations happen for a vast number of different reasons.
Re: "my problem with termination lies with people who have sex get pregnant and see termination as an easy way out"
I don't know anyone who has done this, or would do it. It is unfair to assume this attitude of anyone having a termination - unless they clearly state that is the case.
The OP of the other thread certainly wasn't suggesting that she felt this way.

my friend got pregnant four times in her teens and early 20s

aborting each time

she now has a son, when i visited her she held her newborn in her arms and said

'i found out i was pregnant at 6 months, otherwise i wouldve gotten rid of him too'

there are people like her in the world

LOTS OF THEM

and that is why abortion is wrong

I have just had to check my calendar to see if it is actually 2007 and not 1907.

ffs

never read so much tripe

kitty..would she have been a better person and a mother if she had had to have those babies?

i donlt think you are taking on board the other posts here....

i;ve said it before, the women who i know who have terminated, did it for the exact opposite of those flippant reasons

i wonder why she is still your friend then ?

no but someone wouldve loved them

your friend is a minority surely.... but if your believes are that strong how can you be friends with someone who would do that, surely you must want to scream and shout at her everytime you see her...

I know if I was really against something strongly and a friend was repeatedly doing whatever then I would dissassociate myself....

i give up

I'm guessing you're a practising catholic Kittylette?

''its not just my believefs, these are the beliefs of the catholic church in writing ''

So do you and your husband only have sex if you're intending to make a baby?

I'm pro-choice for everyone, but anti-abortion for myself, if you can understand the difference.

1. Not everyone should be a parent. I know plenty of women that live their lives in a way that a child would suffer in. How many times have we seen newborn babies thrown in dumpsters or found dead somewhere. (Here in the US there is one almost everyday) What's better: not being born, or being born into instant suffering?

1. Not everyone sees it as a life since conception, and have no qualms about having an abortion, so why shouldn't they have the option?

Kitty, it would have been a disaster for me to have had that baby. I wasn't ready, the father turned out to be a complete wanker and I believe that in my circumstance the child would have had an awful crap life as I would have ended up resenting having it.

Far better for me to do as I did and wait until I was emotionally responsible for having a child and attempting to be in some sort of stable relationship than possibly end up putting a human being through that.

Also very very irresponsible of me to get pregnant during a fling. I accept that.

Just my opinion, which differs very strongly from your own. I believe that in certain situations abortion IS the easy way out.

but kittylette, if we follow your logic, the resulting baby (from a rape) didn't choose to be there either...

And presumably you don't use contraception Kittylette? That's a mortal sin I believe.

Reading my post it sounds like I think that people that have abortions are bad people. I don't think that, and I do think that there are plenty of people that find themselves in the wrong situation at the wrong time. People should be able to decide if bringing a life into the world is for them or not.

Sorry we just had a case about a teenager that threw her newborn son into the dumpster in our area last week, so I'm a little upset about it. Last month they found a baby in a field that was strangled to death.

Abortion is necessary for some people.

Everyone in this world has the choice to make thier own decisions!!! Why on earth do you feel it is your 'Duty' to ram your opinions down someone else's throat? I am sure that the OP of the other thread and many others have not seen an abortion as an easy way out!! If she/they did then why the hell would she be on here posting for advice?? Your opinion is not too abort thats YOUR opinion if you feel so strongly (which i do not see how you can if you are friends with someone who has had 3 abortions) Then stay away from threads like that people are on here for support not too be bullied into thinking your views are more important than their own!

I wrote a long post, then deleted it, not sure if I should post it. Basically, I wish someone had told me blunty this was a baby I was carrying, not a "pregnancy". I was crying at every appointment, stalling and I got swept along, being told it was the "right thing". Look at me now. Lost count of the overdoses because when I shut my eyes, all I can see is the blood, I relive every second, fantasise (sp?) about walking out. But I cant. Its done. No one would even recognise my grief, becaue I was young only had an abortion - it was like even my right to grieve had been ripped away. 2 years later im getting help for PTSD, but, I have to come to terms with the fact that isnt going to bring my baby back. I have to live with it forever. And sometimes thats too much to bear. Im never even going to use contraception again - sex always = babies when I was growing up, and it does now. I cant see sex as something purely for pleasure. If I dont want a baby, I dont have sex. Its far too easy to get an abortion. I was never told of any help for the worries I had. I would never hate anyone who had or was going to have one, but, I know there's choices now. Not alot of people do though.

I hope its ok for me to add here.
Kittylette I have read your comments about the mother being suicidal and termination being a consideration in that case. When I had my breakdown (just days before I discovred I was pregnant) I was diagnosed with BPD, Borderline Personality Disorder. I had attempted suicide and was self harming. I am ashamed of this now but I am scared that the unknown pressure of another child would cause the BPD to manifest as it before.
It has been my choice to share this with you but in honesty Kittylette its none of your business. You have judged me and others here today b=with your comments without full consideration of the facts. and surely you tact would have allowed you to air your perfectly respectable views (and I do respect them) in an appropriate way!

Quootiepie, I am really sorry to read your story. Thats just awful for you and I will certainly consider your story carefully in my decision making.
I really hope you find the help you seek.
Take great care. x

Brilliant post, clothears.
Do you have good support from your GP or mental health team - could you talk through the issues re your worries about your BPD?

Dont let me dissuade you from making a personal decision hun... {{hugs}} thats why I posted the blunt bits here. Im sorry, I didnt mean you to read that. xXx

Quootiepie, please dont apologise. Your post is bery helpful. I need to consider as many perspectives as possible, that why I turned to MN. I feel for you.

Funnily enough (or not) Im just opening something I bought on impulse from Ebay - a little baby sitting in two hands Thats all I can do. DH even bought me a necklace to wear with a peridot - August birthstone, baby due date, to try and help. I could surround myself with all the baby figurines and peridots in the world though, it isnt going to change a thing.