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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 01/07/2015 11:55

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/
If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
brilliant:
024 7638 2020

Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy

I would like to thank Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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LucindaE · 02/07/2015 18:05

Here's the due dates list as of mid June. So many people it needs updating
Ovaltine 4 June

Due Dates
Caitmus 25 June
DillyDollyDarling 30 August
Eallison 21 Sepember
Gliterball 22 September
MelleBacca 25 October
any 11 November
Ems10000 15 November
Laura 24 November
Chopsface 14 December

mygreeneyedboy That sounds bad. I do think you ought to get yourself checked out before going off.
So, Daffodil has a Christmas baby, and Mrsm14 and Confused February babies?
Amy I hope you get a new job as well as the new baby, with a boss like that.
Welcome to TwoDrifters. You're not taking any meds? I do hope you are right and things are getting better, but goodness knows how you have managed. Have you been in and out of hospital?
Jenpatrinm We don't have your due date, but you must be near the top. Congratulations on starting maternity leave.
Laura My goodness, you do deserve this maternity leave coming up. The Classroom Sink Episode will forever stay in my memory, along with another other teacher on here a couple of years ago who was sick out of the classroom window. But Lilac's Parrot and Clients Front Path episode also lingers in my memory...
Chopsface I do hope the lab will be cooler. Glad you have been able to
take in some liquids.
The advice about quiet puking sounds good; it must be related to opening the throat, I suppose, as in singing? Never worry about tmi here, no such thing.
Lilac I'm so glad you had a nice break.
Meerka I think I should have put your excellent advice about the order in which meds are prescribed up with the links, sorry I didn't; I will next time. I've copied it over to a word file.
Mirabel I am glad things may be improving with the new meds.
Waves to elizabethsmum.
It's been incredibly busy, sorry if I've rudely ignored people.

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LucindaE · 02/07/2015 18:10

mygreeneyedboy Mother Hen wants to emphasize that, bossily saying please do get those pesky ketones checked before going off on a flight. I suppose all chemists will be closed, so you can't get your OH to pick up any kestostix on the way back home?

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goldenrose · 02/07/2015 18:54

Hi to allFlowers nausea has made a return today all day long and rotten metalic taste in my mouth has been getting worse all daySad have no interest in eating, scared here that the vomiting is going to come back haven't been feeling great all week and it's getting worseShock I don't know how I would cope if it came back it's been 2 weeks since I last vomited or retched at smells. Had to work extra days this week and I'm very tired I think the tiredness might be causing nausea etc to come back.

Meerka · 02/07/2015 19:08

Oh for god's sake confused talk about that doctor spectacularly missing he point! Ridiculous :( if you can find an HG - friendly doctor, then he or she would be much better. If you really get stuck it's worth rinign the Preg Sickness Support helpline. Leave a message and ask them to ring you back, they have a list of hg-experienced doctors.

Sorry, really wasn't expecting that result from the doctor.

You can buy cyclizine over the counter, just don't tell them you're pregnant.

goldenrose if you had to work extra days it's quite likely that it's because you're so overtired. HG responds really badly when you are overtired. If you are able to rest, it's likely that will help.

Daffodil how did the move go?

mygreeneyed lucinda's advice to get checked out does sound sensible ...

mygreeneyedboy · 02/07/2015 19:08

Thank you lucinda I hadn't heard you could buy them... I've managed to eat some dinner and will eat a bit more in a while. So I think that will have helped. I'll get lots of liquid down before going to bed and I think I'll wake up early to take cyclizine before the sickness starts again.

jenpatnim · 02/07/2015 20:53

My due date is 3rd August. I'm huge. Sad

chopsface · 02/07/2015 21:38

confused your doc is an arse. Deffo see another one asap! We don't want you relapsing!

Deffo get checked out too greeneyed is your travel business or pleasure? Good luck with it all!

daffodil! We have the same EDD! However, by my dates it was Dec 21st but I was bumped forward at my 12w scan.

I've had a lot of tummy pains today, don't like it. Kind of stabs from my belly button down. Most of the day. I was pleased I had my 16w midwife appoint this afternoon so I could mention them. All went to pot though. Turned up, name not on list, forgotten about! Managed to squueze me in but I felt cheated out if a proper appointment, felt rushed. She didn't have my blood results, didn't check heartbeat, didn't ask how I was feeling, has no idea about the sickness. Mentioned the pains, apparently any issues under 20weeks are the gp's problem. Only after 20w can I call the midwives about preg issues. Came away feeling crap about it. Feel tired and sicky tonight and the on off twinges not helping. I don't know what's normal, this is my first (and only!) pregnancy. Also dh is on at me to cut down on the meds as well as my mum. I'm scared to to be honest. I know I can't take them indefinitely and I'm meant to review weekly, which I take to mean stop/cut down to see if I chuck up!?

mygreeneyedboy · 02/07/2015 21:48

Thank you chop we will pick up some kestostixs before heading to the airport tomorrow. Definitely rehydrated now, and seem to better in the evenings which is good as we are flying in the evening. It's just for pleasure, to Norway, DP is Norwegian and we are moving permanent there in August so I'm pretty okay with using healthcare there. we also have frequent flyer status with the airline so can use the lounges and fast track which makes things easier.

mygreeneyedboy · 02/07/2015 21:52

Also chops you should ask to see your midwife again as it felt rushed! Sorry it wasn't good enough Sad I slowed down my cyclizine at about 20 weeks last time..

chopsface · 02/07/2015 22:03

I want to wait until 20 weeks! Or at least 18! I'm trying to get my life back on track with food and getting back to work. The drugs have cured me, I don't want a relapse.

eallison88 · 02/07/2015 22:16

I'm 28+3 and still taking the drugs occasionally. Just not worth stopping before you're ready. Baby will be fine!

LilacWine7 · 03/07/2015 06:23

Meerka yes things are generally on the up nowadays Smile I still have bad days when nothing stays down and I retire to bed with sick-bucket, but these are less often. On most good days I still vomit a few times and have periods of intense nausea, but it's no longer constant which makes such a difference to general sense of wellbeing. If I plan carefully I can get out and about, see friends and enjoy life again. My worse times of day are 9am-noon then 5pm-late evening so I try to rest during these times and I pace myself, e.g. resting at home if I've been active the day before.

To all ladies currently suffering through the really grim stages, it honestly does improve at some point. Once the cycle of constant nausea-vomiting is broken and you're able to keep more down, you start feeling stronger (mentally and physically) and the bad days get easier to cope with, and eventually you get more and more good days. I noticed a real improvement around 25weeks but as Meerka says many people improve earlier, around 14-16weeks.

Daffodil how was the move? Try to take it easy and don't rush to unpack!

Mygreen good luck with your flight! Hope you get to Norway ok.

Chops are you still getting the pains? Have you been to EPU to get them checked out? I remember around 16weeks I had lots of crampy pains and stabbing type pains all over abdomen, my midwife said it was just the muscles and ligaments around uterus stretching, she said it can feel like period pain but not to worry unless accompanied by bleeding or intense 'crushing' pain. I also started getting Braxton Hicks (uncomfortable though not painful) around 16weeks, could it be that? Do go to EPU or GP if they continue.

MrsM about work...I went off sick around week 5 until week 13 when had a brief respite from vomiting (I attempted to return before that but felt too ill to function). I then relapsed badly around week 14 but felt so guilty I tried to stagger in most days. My boss was sympathetic and reduced my hours, but some days I was turning up hours late or leaving halfway through the day, this went on for a few weeks (interspersed with odd sick-days) until my boss called me aside and said I needed to stay home until the vomiting stopped. She also pointed out it wasn't fair on my team as they never knew when I'd be in or how long I'd last each day, which helped me see sense and took away the guilt at going off sick. So around week 18 I went on sick-leave again and am still on it at week 29. At some point I stopped expecting the HG symptoms to disappear and decided to take early mat-leave. So in total I've taken about 20weeks sick-leave.
Please don't feel guilty about staying off work. HG is an illness not a normal pregnancy symptom. Forcing yourself into work when you feel so sick is likely to make HG worse. I often think I should have just stayed on sick-leave from week 13 instead of feeling obliged to try and return, maybe then I wouldn't have relapsed so often in 2nd trimester! I strongly advise staying off sick until you feel strong enough and well enough to cope in a work environment.
About indigestion/heartburn... mine started early too! Gaviscon made no difference. I started taking 2 ranitidine a day (75mg tablets) that I bought from Tesco (Zantac is main brand in UK but Tesco and Bodycare do their own cheaper versions that's just as good)! This kept it under control for a while though by 20weeks the burning was back. I've resorted to Rennies in between doses of Ranitidine, which work well for me.

LilacWine7 · 03/07/2015 07:47

Forgot to say, about vomiting silently... I rarely manage to be silent! But I have a technique for public loos as I hate vomiting noisily and also find it hard not to splash vomit on seat/floor without crouching (which is painful due to SPD)... so in public loos i go into cubicle and vomit into a sick-bag then seal and dispose of bag in the sanitary-bin. I get vom-bags from Amazon, they're sealable and have spongy absorbent pad things inside, so any noise is muffled and the floor stays clean!

Daffodil3228 · 03/07/2015 08:26

Quick one- yey chopsface we have the same EDD! I got bumped up too at the scan from initial date of 18th Dec. So I guess these pregnancy hormones that are torturing us are at least doing their job and making the baby grow Smile
Thanks for supportive messages re move everyone.. Thank God am getting fluid in ok again now and will be able to be around for the move today I reckon! Won't have internet in new place for about a week so will wish you all a cool, calm and restful few days in the meantime!
mygreen so sorry to hear you are feeling quite rotten before your flight. Glad you can tolerate fluids again and I hope you have a smooth flight and your stomach settles down.
Xx

jenpatnim · 03/07/2015 08:36

Chops- don't worry about the meds. I was on ondansetron until the day I went into labour with ds and will be the same this time. Ds was 8lb7 and perfect and this one is measuring larger and the docs are very happy with him at every appt. the meds are fine, take them if you need them.

Meerka · 03/07/2015 08:36

chops I want to wait until 20 weeks! Or at least 18! I'm trying to get my life back on track with food and getting back to work. The drugs have cured me, I don't want a relapse.

I think you are very wise.

remind me which meds you are on?

~
No one likes taking meds in pregnancy - everyone fights it. But a lot of that is because of the awful old thalidomide scare.

The meds used now have been in use for a very great deal longer than thalidomide was used for. Thalidomide would never have been okay'd for use now, btw; testing procedures are far better.

But in principle with the current meds, cyclizine is absolutely safe. The other meds are considered very safe but there is no absolute guarentee of there not being a risk. however beign dehydrated or severely run down due to lack of liquid and nutrition is a known risk factor in things going wrong.

Thalidomide was dreadful and i can understand your mother's reservations, it traumatised two or three generations. But unfortunately it actually distorted the whole picture of treatment in pregnancy and in fact there have been many cases of undertreatment which led to a unsuccessful pregnancy and in a few cases the death of the woman. Inadequate treatment has most certainly led to loss of jobs / livelihoods and worse.

If you think it would help your husband, maybe he could look at the HELP HER forums where there is actually a section for dads-to-be. Site is slow to load atm but ill try to link something later when it's working again

Meerka · 03/07/2015 08:42

lilac glad to hear that it is definitely improving in HG's slow erratic annoying way!

yeah, once you can keep some food and liquid down it physically makes you stronger and then it can start the upward spiral. Apparently being dehydrated makes you sick all on its own, even without hormonal help, as it screws up the electrolyte balance. Useful huh Hmm

LucindaE · 03/07/2015 09:35

Due Dates
Caitmus 25 June
DillyDollyDarling 30 August
Eallison 21 Sepember
Gliterball 22 September
MelleBacca 25 October
any 11 November
Ems10000 15 November
Laura 24 November
Chopsface 14 December
Daffodil 14 December
Confused 2 February

Confused I so agree with Meerka says bossy Mother Hen, ring
024 7638 2020 Pregnancy Sickness Support for advice about getting meds. The medics on there have been wonderful about getting meds for people on this thread who've been refused them. They will ring you back and be very supportive. Oh dear, about that doctor, that is the last reaction you expect from a reaction to the NICE guidelines.

Meerka What wonderful advice about meds and the long term effects of the thalidomide scare. It scared off generations of GP's from prescribing much needed anti nausea meds and terrified countless pregnant women from taking any medication. There was one woman on these threads who had had a first pregnancy with Hyperemesis to the end, and when she got very ill in the second, she was still refused meds; it was only when she started vomiting 'coffee grounds' and we urged her on this thread that it was a medical emergency that she finally got treatment. And that was just one of many cases...
mygreeneyedboy All luck with the journey. Glad you managed to eat and drink a bit more.
Lilac Great advice; your employers are so right, quite apart from the sufferer's need for rest with this, it is far easier for fellow workers know you will be away consistently than never knowing when you will be in and how long you can stay; and very tidy puking technique. I have to say I have always been a very noisy puker, and with me the splashing noises were (and are, with migranes or stomach bugs) the least of it. Shock

goldenrose Sorry you are so tired and no wonder you feel sick again if you've been working too hard. I do hope you don't have to do so much for a while.
Mrsm14 and others who intend to stay on meds until a lot better, that is purely sensible. So many sufferers come of them too soon only to have a spectacular relapse.
Mirabel and everyone how are things today?
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

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mygreeneyedboy · 03/07/2015 10:05

Thank you all for the well wishes. Who advised me to eat custard a few days ago? That was my breakfast today! It worked! A little while after eating it, I had a glass of water and cyclizine. So hopefully I'm okayish today. I'll have my normal packet of pombear crisps shared with DS in a short while. I might ask someone to fetch some pizza for me for lunch (crazy cheap plain shop bought pizza!).

lucinda my due date is 22nd Feb if you want to add it! I guess it's a bit estimated right now.

Amyyy27 · 03/07/2015 11:20

Confused I can't believe your GP! what a total moron! Very annoyed for you. Certainly look at changing GPs.

Lilac that's a great tip about the sick bags! off to go and hunt them down

daffodil Hope the move is going well! I don't envy you in this heat but hopefully you are able to rest inside in the shade!

mygreen I think that might have been me! So pleased it has worked for you. I had the little kids pots of custard every morning for a couple of weeks (unfortunately now it turns my stomach!) I also tried the little pots of rice pudding too, and although it helps with the pain off the bile... the rice just isn't great. So definitely stick to the custard!

Hope everyone else is as well as can be?

I am pleased to say I'm happy with the Phenergan tablets I'm on. I take one as late as I possibly can on a night, and then one when I get to work on a morning. I'm still nauseous but its bearable. I haven't vomited for maybe 2 days? (other than when brushing my teeth but that's my gag reflex and I've always been like that so not counting it!)

Mrsm14 · 03/07/2015 11:29

Hi all. Hope everyone is doing ok today. I have been back to doctor who has suggested switching to 1 or 2 promethazine before bed (instead of 3 x cyclizine per day) and combining with prochlorperazine during the day if necessary. Guess I'll give this a go but it is starting to get quite confusing trying to work out which combo is working best! When are others taking promethazine and how much do you take? Also been given some dioralyte to help with hydration.

lucinda I am 11 Feb. Still quite scared about getting ahead of myself, given previous miscarriage. Just keeping everything crossed baby is ok this time.

Amyyy27 · 03/07/2015 11:33

MrsM I take 2 promethazine. One before bed and one about 9am. Started on Monday and they are working well for the vomiting :)

Mirabal · 03/07/2015 11:45

Hi all. mrsm I take two promethazine too, one before sleep and one when I get up . I'm ok just really struggling with thinking of anything I could stomach but ofcourse if I don't eat the puking starts. Think meds are a little better as I'm not now sick just for thinking about going in kitchen, but still don't feel like I'm functioning.

Didn't help that dd was sick 16 times yesterday with tummy bug with trip to a&e at 6pm as she wasn't keeping liquids down and no wet nappies . Brought lots of snacks but felt awful but knew I was at least in the right place if I needed help myself !

Custard pot actually sounds ok

Mirabal · 03/07/2015 11:46

Sorry, due date 19 th Feb.......7 weeks today