Glass of wine on Chrismas day.

[LucyB1]

Hi, I'm going to be 12+5 on Christmas day and i am absolutely GAGGING for a glass of red. Is that really bad cause I'm not quite out of the first trimester??

Sorry, I had not read the thread and was directly replying to the OP. I also said I wouldn't risk it 'personally'. By risk I mean risk anything, any chance that anything could happen, so personally I felt it was best to abstain in my pregnancies. If in doubt it's probably best to avoid, op will have plenty more xmas's to drink on. So not sure why all the sarcasm...

The nhs website actually says that if you are pregnant or trying to get pregnant you should not drink alcohol.

It then goes on to say that if you chose to drink, stick to one or two units a week.

So it clearly doesn't say it's safe to drink. it explains about baby's liver development as the main reason.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/alcohol-medicines-drugs-pregnant.aspx

here is the page, sorry I don't know how to make it clickable.

To add a slightly different spin on the debate I'm on medication that, under consultant supervision, is deemed ok to take in pregnancy. The health benefits for me of taking my meds vs not taking them are significant for me. The other alternatives are considered not safe in pregnancy so the options are limited.

When you look at the ingredients list alcohol is on there, albeit at a teeney tiny amount. Not enough by any stretch of the imagination to get you drunk or over the drink drive limit or impede your function but technically its there. So I've not been able to completely abstain even if I had wanted to and that's been on nhs advice.

But in answer to the op yes I will also partake of a tipple on Christmas day too, but a weak bitter shandy rather than wine.

I hope and imagine everyone on this thread can go 9 months plus without a drink, the point is should pregnant women feel they have to and as referenced above the current evidence is that light drinking (1-2 units once or twice a week) is no problem at all. It is also known that FAS is caused by heavy drinking. The journals are straightforward reads and most only require the type to take in the abstracts.

Apologies to come across sarcastic Olive but as you say you haven't read the thread nor then the research papers cited by posters.

Time to take in the abstracts that should say. Apologies, functioning on two hours sleep - thought the baby was on her way last night!

Even with research, which correct me if I'm wrong, there isn't any to say it's 100% safe? I'm personally still not 100% sure about it so I abstain. Anyone that has a doubt probably should too.

Oh yes I agree and I'm very lax about it all to be honest, just for me personally drinking alcohol just didn't seem ok. I ate sushi, odd bit of pate, there was something else you aren't meant to eat but I did, milkshake I think. You weigh up the pros and cons for yourself, and for me alcohol wasn't worth it at all. The op obviously had doubts or they wouldn't ask, so on that basis I'd refrain. I had doubts so I refrained also.

You see, olive, statistically you've made a more dangerous choice eating pâté. The risk from pâté is listeria - it's unlikely you'd get it, but if you did, a one-off incident of listeria carries a risk of miscarriage or stillbirth. A one-off glass of wine on the other hand isn't going to cause FAS.

Pate is far worse a risk than drinking one small glass of wine

Perhaps you need to read the reasons why before you tell others what to do

I'm not telling anyone what to do, I used the word personally. Realistically without being hysterical a glass of wine here and there isn't going to cause any harm. But for me PERSONALLY I chose to abstain because I had my doubts. Not very hard to understand tbh.

Perhaps you should read my post thoroughly.

I understand your post. I'm merely pointing out that your logic is flawed.

The logic that I decided not to drink because nobody knows for certain about the affects of alcohol, so I just decided it's best to be safe than sorry isn't flawed but yes, ok.

Not really, that's the beauty of weighing up the pros and cons and deciding for yourself the risk factor. For me personally I decided at the start of my pregnancies that alcohol in any quantity wouldn't be passing my lips because I had my doubts. The odd bit of this and that and the odd bit of alcohol probably wouldn't do any damage, however I felt the alcohol was a bigger risk than the half teaspoon of pate I had on two occasions.

Indeed. Pâté in any quantity (a tablespoon contaminated with listeria is just as damaging as a whole pack) is more risky than one glass of wine. Avoiding alcohol but not avoiding pâté is illogical.

Nope I didn't feel wrongly, my opinions and my choices aren't wrong. And again, I've not told anyone what to do - people weigh up the pros and cons and make their own choices. I've used the word personally numerous times here. I'm happy to carry on debating without going round in circles.

Was saying on another thread I wouldn't touch pate, even in tiny amounts. Apart from the listeria risk, the evidenced correlation between birth defects and vitamin A consumption is too risky for me. So absolutely agree about weighing up pros and cons but I do like to have the evidence (frustrated scientist having done my MSc and then entered the business world!).

Anyway I have a houseful of people to serve copious amounts of alcohol to (and non alcoholic pinch for the drivers and me!) arriving at noon so better get the canapés ready.

Have a lovely Saturday ladies!

Your day sounds a lot more fun than mine is going to be! Enjoy x

Again, my opinion is not wrong. If people want to take a randomers opinion on the internet as gospel then cool beans but on a number of occasions I've said personally. Relax!

If that's what you think, cool beans. My opinion isn't wrong, I stand by everything I've said.