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Glass of wine on Chrismas day.

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LucyB1 · 16/12/2013 15:13

Hi, I'm going to be 12+5 on Christmas day and i am absolutely GAGGING for a glass of red. Is that really bad cause I'm not quite out of the first trimester??

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ChrisTheSheep · 18/12/2013 22:36

I'll have a small amount (one small glass of wine with dinner) on Christmas day and probably boxing day: I'll be 28wks. I've had a very moderate amount of alcohol (1 glass, once a week or occasionally twice a week) since the end of the first trimester. With a meal, with water, I honestly can't see that this is doing any harm. I've also eaten my bodyweight in soft-boiled eggs. Mind you, I have gestational diabetes, so I won't be able to have any Christmas cake, mince pies, roast potatoes, biscuits, fruit juice, cordial, Schloer etc etc...

Meerka · 19/12/2013 01:14

Ipressive post, EvidenceBasedMum

crispyFB just a note: I had the CVS test , being at a high risk of downs ( 1 in 25 or 1 in 30 ) and very nearly lost my baby due to infection. There were reasons not to wait for the amnio.

The reason I took the CVS test was because I live in the Netherlands where, utterly idiotically, the blood test is not (yet) authorised. I was too sick with HG to be able to travel to Belgium or Germany, where is it.

But absolutely agreed that on the scale of some threats, a glass of wine every 2 weeks is negligable

Strokethefurrywall · 19/12/2013 01:58

I'm so happy to see so many continuing voices of reason on this thread.

Wine for us all! Hurrah! Grin

OrangeMochaFrappucino · 19/12/2013 06:06

Thanks for such a balanced and informative post, Evidence. I want to copy and paste it onto every thread that comes up about drinking in pregnancy!

(And print out a copy onto a scroll to use to bludgeon the next person who bleats "but would you put wine in a baby's bottle? Then why take the risk???!!!)

And Meerka, you have had such a shocking time Flowers. I hope the rest of your pregnancy goes much more smoothly!

Meerka · 19/12/2013 07:26

yes, evidence's post is great isnt it!

thanks ... it's a great deal better now and honestly, we are just sending up thank you prayers that we pulled through. Roll on the end of april =) Gotta say, mumsnet and lucindaE have been just amazing

Inglori0us · 19/12/2013 08:30

Thanks Evidence.
Hooray for all the voices of reason.

I do hope all the judgeypants posters aren't going to have any pain relief in labour as that's 'just like putting prescription painkillers in a baby's bottle'. Or is that different?

educatingarti · 19/12/2013 09:46

Hopeless "Sorry if I've missed a salient point but how do those who teach or work with children with leading difficulties know how much, if indeed any, alcohol their mothers frank during pregnancy. I'm completely failing to see a causal link."

Just to clarify:
There are obviously many causes of mild learning difficulties in children. I'm not saying for one moment that any of my current student have learning difficulties because their mother's drank while pregnant.

However -as there is ( I think) some evidence certainly that moderate drinking can cause problems for some children and possibly even light drinking (see below) I'm just concerned as I wouldn't want a child to be affected by this.

Evidence's post is great but in the main is talking about miscarriages/health of infant rather than learning difficulties. she does say this:

"It remains a controversial topic, and there are certainly some studies that do show increased risk of behavioural issues etc with moderate drinking (rather than light drinking), but the methodologies are often questionable and the outcomes not consistent. Unlike smoking, which is unequivocally harmful."

she doesn't comment on the specific study I mentioned above which does mention light drinking:

Ref:Maternal alcohol consumption during pregnancy may delay the development of spontaneous fetal startle behaviour
Hepper, P., Dornan, J. R. C. & Little, J. F. 17 Jan 2005 In : Physiology & Behavior. 83(5), 5, p. 711-714

Tondo - it isn't my fault you have to pay to read the entire study - that is common to most scientific publications including probably most of the ones Evidence has referenced. However I would think that if anyone wanted to read it and email Dr Hepper at Queens University Belfast, he might probably send you an electronic copy of the paper. I'm sorry your links don't work Howver you can I think see the same bit of video is on the advice to midwives link I did link to ages ago).

educatingarti · 19/12/2013 09:47

mothers drank obviously!

RaRa1988 · 19/12/2013 10:00

Downstairs and Mixup : Thanks for your agreement - never felt more awkward in my life! Was not an enjoyable hospital trip :-/ I dunno if I can ask for another consultant - I think she's the only one that does the 'substance misuse' thing Hmm. Thinking of moving to another area though - in terms of health trust, not house lol! Will discuss with my midwife when I see her on Christmas Eve.

Chunderella · 19/12/2013 10:50

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ChicaMomma · 19/12/2013 10:54

Evidence, big cheers to you, great post. Clink clink!

Bowlersarm · 19/12/2013 11:04

It's interesting the way guidelines have changed over the years. 19 years ago, I distinctly remember my GP saying to me during my pregnancy "if you are used to having a glass of wine a night, then carry on having a glass a night"! The advice then was no binges, but moderation fine. (I didn't carry on drinking at that level, but it meant I didn't feel guilty if I did have some wine).

Four years later when pregnant with ds3 the guidelines had tightened up a bit, but not to the extent advised today.

If I were pregnant today (totally impossible) - I think I would enjoy an occasional glass of wine with no guilt attached.

Meerka · 19/12/2013 11:15

Actually, educatingarti has loooked into it and is speaking from a position of genuine concern. Might not agree with her findings, but she is speaking rationally and not bullying, simply putting her pov.

Chunderella · 19/12/2013 11:29

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Meerka · 19/12/2013 11:39

sorry too, i was a bit pregzilla yestrday and now im feeling bad about it!

CrispyFB · 19/12/2013 12:32

Meerka - you'd fall into the exceptions obviously - very high risk AND not practical to get an alternative. I'm talking about the people who have a 1 in 300 risk, panic, and go for CVS right away (even though the other tests are available) yet won't touch a drop of wine. Believe me, I've come across them..

Sorry to hear you had such a traumatic time though and I hope things are better now!

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RiaG · 19/12/2013 14:33

I'm 14 weeks pregnant & so looking forward to a couple of drinks on Xmas day. Already planned it...glass of prosecco while cooking, then a glass of red with dinner Smile
Go for it & enjoy.
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TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 19/12/2013 15:01

Tondo - it isn't my fault you have to pay to read the entire study - that is common to most scientific publications including probably most of the ones Evidence has referenced.

But you don't seem to have read it either - that was my challenge. You seem to be basing your conclusions about light drinking what is said in the video.

You can get full full studies evidencebased has referred to online and for free.

Alcohol and Breastfeeding

[[http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-0528.2006.01163.x/pdf Systematic review of effects of low–moderate
prenatal alcohol exposure on pregnancy outcome]]

Moderate alcohol intake during pregnancy and risk of fetal death

I'm not having a go at you arti, I'm really not. I share your concerns about FAS and dealing with the impact of that (I don't have to in my job - it must be tough) but I really think the claim that very light drinking DOES cause harm to mental development needs to be backed up and needs further study - because that goes against an overwhelming amount of current evidence.

What might prevent more children being born with FAS? Investment in Alcohol Services (instead of relying on the voluntary AA), minimum pricing per unit, better policing of licensed premises, more training of midwives dealing with addiction and alcoholism, better services for mothers who have substance abuse problems, better diagnostic testing, better sex and health education, more proactive reaching out to women who do not regularly access prenatal or sexual health services.

What probably won't prevent more children being born with FAS? Demonising women - who in possession of all the evidence / advice from their care givers - drink very small amounts of alcohol (1/2 units per week) occasionally through their pregnancy.

Sorry for that rant, merry Christmas to you all and Wine / Brew

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 19/12/2013 15:06

Sorry, I just want to add how much it breaks my heart when children are born with preventable health problems that impact on their quality of life and I am full of huge admiration for you and all that you do arti and as someone has said upthread, you have been very polite throughout.

pettyprudence · 19/12/2013 15:48

I can't WAIT for christmas eve/day when I will have a lovely glass of champagne Grin. I will be 32 weeks by then and can count on one hand the number of drinks I have had since conception! I did celebrate my bfp with a mojito though Blush. I am not a big drinker anyway, but I do console myself in pregnancy with quality over quantity (will drink any old crap when not pg or bf!)

Madmammy83 · 19/12/2013 17:37

I didn't touch a drop on my last pregnancy purely because I'd had a placenta abruption the night after having a small glass of beer with my first DS so I didn't want to take even the tiniest chance of having another one. Nobody can prove a link but it's always at the back of my mind (he's 9 now and perfectly normal) I was classed as high risk for a few reasons on my recent pregnancy, so I'd always have blamed myself if anything went wrong. I lost all taste for alcohol anyway during the pregnancy. I've had one guinness since the twins were born, I wouldn't fancy getting up at 3am with small babies after a drink or two! Kopparberg non-alcoholic cider is yum, I'm getting some for Christmas Day. Enjoy your glasses of wine, ladies. No harm in one or two as long as you aren't high risk. No spirits!!

dimdommilpot · 19/12/2013 17:43

I will be 25wk on xmas day. I will be having a small glass of prosecco with lunch and a baileys with breakfast. Im not a huge drinker at any time but will be having some xmas day.

zara83 · 19/12/2013 22:12

I was 5 months at Xmas and had 2 white wine spritzers then my 30th bday was 4 jan and have another 2 my baby is 8 months and as healthy as a horse. But it's up to u of course x

RuldolfsFlea · 20/12/2013 05:58

I will be 20 weeks at christmas and won't drink any alcohol. I won't because I am afraid of taking the risk. There are plenty of other risks that I can't avoid and more that I probably don't know about so abstaining from one small risk of causing FAS isn't a chore for me.

Anecdotal stories won't change my mind on it. This is my baby and I'm the one who has to deal with the consequences of my actions.

I know I am being overly cautious and wouldn't judge others for feeling the opposite.

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