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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 12:53

We need a new thread already.

I hope this thread will give support to those suffering from the Horrors of
Hyperemesis, and that it will help to talk to other sufferers and those who have survived it.

There is no such thing as tmi here - the nature of the illness means that you have to be graphic when discussing it - and feel free to moan all you wish. You have reason to!

I want to thank FluffyWhiteKittens MOH Grumblin LA Caramel NitNat Coconuts Luce Grandma TheOnly and current sufferers MaryLou PearlFeekerry and many others who have been invaluable on the former threads. My apologies to anyone I've rudely overlooked, I daren't keep gabbling too long, or I might put off current sufferers.

Remember, when you are at your worst, the words from the Eastern story: - 'This Too Shall Pass.' It will...

Below is some brilliant information from MOH's website www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk. However, if you don't feel up to reading it now, feel free to skip it for now and have a good moan.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of pregnancy sickness which affects between 1 and 3% of pregnant women. Historically, it was mistakenly thought to be a psychosomatic illness and women were treated as though they had a psychotic disorder. This view has been comprehensively disproven by numerous research papers in recent decades, and it is now known to be an illness of organic origin, although its causes have yet to be fully understood. There is a persistent common belief that no drugs should be given to women in the first trimester of pregnancy. This is not true. There are a number of effective anti-emetic (anti sickness) drugs which can safely be taken in early pregnancy. Unfortunately, the erroneous views that HG is a psychosomatic conditions and that no drugs are safe in the first trimester still persists in many places, shockingly, even amongst GPs and midwives. Sadly, many women still come across unsympathetic health professionals who are ignorant of current treatment methods.

How do I know if I have HG?
If you are suffering from persistent nausea and/or vomiting which is preventing you from eating and/or drinking then you may be suffering from HG. With ordinary nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP), the sickness does not interfere with your ability to eat and drink enough, you should not be losing weight and you should be able to continue to care for yourself and your family although you may not be feeling too great. With HG, sufferers often need help caring for themselves, never mind look after their family. The illness can be completely debilitating for weeks or even months. If you're not sure, the HER foundation website who have a fact sheet to help you determine whether or not you are suffering from HG
www.helpher.org/mothers/hyperemesis-or-morning-sickness/index.php

Diagnosis is important as you will inevitably become dehydrated and you will need to be admitted to hospital for IV rehydration. Starvation is another risk. When your body burns fat for energy, it produces chemicals called ketones which can be detected in your urine. You can monitor your levels of starvation using ketosticks, available from pharmacies. You pee on the stick and it monitors your levels of ketones. If levels are high, you should tell your doctor or midwife. If you are worried about dehydration and ketone levels and you can't see your doctor or midwife, you can go to A&E.

Facts and Figures and FAQs

HG is worse in the first trimester for the majority of sufferers, though a significant proportion (10 ? 20%) suffer for the entire duration of the pregnancy. If you have close relatives (mothers, sisters) who have had HG, you are also at significantly higher risk of being a sufferer yourself. HG is the most common cause of hospitalisation of pregnant women in the first trimester.

Is it worse carrying a boy or a girl?
There is conflicting evidence as to whether having a boy or a girl makes HG worse, some studies say boys, some say girls.

Is it worse with twins?
Yes there is evidence that carrying more than one baby makes HG worse.

Will my baby be ok?
Babies born to HG mothers are usually absolutely fine. If you lose some weight during the first trimester the risks for the baby are low as it does not need much nutrition at this time and your body should have enough stores from before your pregnancy. However, if you continue to to lose weight due to lack of treatment or failed treatment, then there is an increased risk of low birth weight or pre-term birth. Studies show that this is a risk for women who are severely ill, are dehydrated for long periods and lose more than 10% of their body weight.

There is also growing evidence of long term health effects in some children born to mothers who suffer malnutrition in pregnancy. In some cases this is not evident until adulthood with increased risk of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension.
For more information see forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=18 and www.helpher.org/hyperemesis-gravidarum/complications/fetal-programming.php

I've heard that being sick is a sign of a healthy pregnancy, is this the case with HG?
You will often be told that morning sickness is a good sign and you should be happy that you're feeling sick. This is generally the case with normal NVP, however, it is not the case with untreated HG. There is actually a higher risk of pre-term birth and low birth weight. However, continuing to feel sick may be a sign that the pregnancy is still progressing. Some women with HG who miscarried reported that the first sign was that they suddenly stopped feeling sick.

What are the treatments?
Initially you will be advised to use non-pharmacoligical strategies which are similar to the general advice given to any pregnant women suffering from nausea. These include eating little and often, eating protein-rich, low-fat meals, avoiding triggers of nausea such as strong smells and getting enough rest. You can try ginger, seabands (accupressure wristbands used for travel sickness) and extra doses of vitamin B6. Avoid getting out of bed in the morning without something in your stomach such as a tea biscuit or cracker. Some women find that these give relief in the initial stages of HG but they become ineffective once the illness is in full swing.

The next line of treatment is prescribed antiemetics such as phenergan, cyclizine, stemetil and ondansetron. For many women these work well and control the nausea and vomiting enough for them to eat and drink normally and regain some of their lost weight. Many can even return to normal life. You may find that one antiemetic on its own is not effective and you may need to try different combinations but you can discuss this with your doctor. Even with antiemetics, you will probably still need to use coping strategies such as getting extra rest, eating small frequent meals and avoiding triggers when the HG is at its peak. If you are dehydrated, you may be admitted to hospital for IV fluids. Minerals and vitamins can be added to the drip to replace any you may have lost, as well as antiemetics.

Unfortunately, antiemetics don't work for everyone. If they are ineffective, you should be referred to an obstetrician (if you haven't been already) for the next line of treatment, which will probably be steroids. These carry a small risk of cleft palate, but this will be discussed with your doctor. In a small number of cases even this is not effective and drastic treatments such as feeding with a tube directly into the stomach may have to be considered.

My GP is unsympathetic and refuses to prescribe me drugs - what should I do?
Unfortunately this experience is all too common. In this case you should see another GP if possible. You should also ask for a referral to an obstetrician. If you remain untreated and become dehydrated, you can have yourself admitted to A&E for IV fluids and ask to be seen by an obstetrician.

Do alternative remedies work?

Some women are greatly helped by alternative medicine, particularly Homepathy and Acupunture. Some women can claim to have had the illness 'stopped in its tracks' by Acupunture, but success varies between individual patients and it tends to be expensive. These remedies are worth a try if you can afford it but have a back up plan incase it doesn't work.

How long will this last for?
For most women, HG peaks in the first trimester and tails off or disappears completely later in the pregnancy. The usual advice for morning sickness is that it will improve after 12 weeks. The majority of HG sufferers find that it takes longer than this. Unfortunately, some women suffer severely for the entire pregnancy. Others find that it improves, but they suffer from nausea and occasional vomiting until birth. Relapse is quite common especially if you have tried to return to your normal busy life. There is a great temptation to make up for lost time and become very active once you start to feel better, but this very often leads to the nausea returning. You should be very careful about resuming work and normal household activities even if you feel as though you're up to it. Be careful too about stopping your medication, do it very gradually and resume at the first sign of the condition returning. You may have to continue to take it for the entire pregnancy to prevent a relapse.
All I can drink is coke, I'm worried that I'm not eating a healthy diet.

Through pregnancy, we are bombarded with advice about what to eat and what not to eat. Women with HG often find that the list of food and drinks that they can keep down is very small and not at all from the healthy options. For some reason, women with Hyperemesis ofen find sweet and salty foods ie, sweet drinks like coke, and crisps, are more likely to stay down than healthy foods. Their peculiar diet can lead to disapproving comments and the incorrect assumption that this is how they normally eat.
Various women find different drinks acceptable. Coke (often left to go flat) Lucozade, lemonade, milkshakes and IronBru, Dr Pepper, orange squash, apple juice, lime juice, ice cubes made of flat coke or just tapwater, ice lollies and sips of tepid water can help in keeping rehydrated. 

When the illness is at its worst during the early hormonal surges - typically between eight and ten weeks- then it is difficult to retain any liquids and you may need to be hospitalised for rehydration at about this time. 

When solids do become bearable,jelly, tinned fruit, ice lollies, ice cream, crisps, fish fingers, potato cakes, crumpets, soda bread and similar potato based or salty foods have often been found to be acceptable.

The important thing to remember at this time is that it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, the crucial thing is that you eat or drink something. Don't forego something because you are worried that it's bad for you. In a normal diet, too much salt and sugar is bad for you, but when you consume nothing else, this may be your only source of calories, fluid and salt for the day. Instead of berating yourself for your unhealthy diet, congratulate yourself that you have kept something down because your body needs it. If you are able to take vitamin tablets or syrups, then do so but most women find that large multivitamin tablets make the nausea worse. You may be able to get vitamins that dissolve under your tongue which you may be able to tolerate. If and when you begin to feel better, you can start to re-introduce more healthy food.

Will it go away when I give birth?
The good news is that for the vast majority of sufferers the physical symptoms of HG disappear completely as soon as the baby is born. You should be aware though that it is not unknown for the nausea to persist after birth especially if you have been severely ill. If this occurs, speak to your doctor. For women who suffered persistent, long term nausea and vomiting, it may take some time to restore energy levels and nutritional reserves. Moreover, while the physical symptoms may leave, the trauma of HG can leave an emotional legacy for many women, especially when combined with the rigours of caring for a baby. If you have any concerns, speak to your doctor or midwife. Don't feel that you should just be able to pick yourself up and get on with things, if you're having problems you are entitled to seek support.

Will I get it in my next pregnancy and will it be the same?
Unfortunately, having HG in one pregnancy puts you at a high risk of suffering in subsequent pregnancies although it is possible to escape it. Some women find that the HG gets better in subsequent pregnancies, whereas others find it stays the same or gets worse. There is really no way of knowing how your pregnancies will relate to each other.

Can I do anything to prepare for HG incase I get it again in my next pregnancy?
The HER website has a page of advice on preparing for your next pregnancy. forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=17. If you had medication which worked for you in your previous pregnancy, make sure that you have it ready to take as soon as you feel ill. Studies show that the quicker you get on top of the sickness, the better the medication works. Because HG can start within days of missing your period, see your GP as soon as you know you're pregnant.

Useful sources of information
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in the UK have no guidelines on the treatment and management of HG. However, the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) and the Society of Obs/Gynae of Canada (SOGC) have published guidelines which can be found at the following sites

www.sogc.org/guidelines/public/120E-CPG-October2002.pdf 

www.guideline.gov/content.aspx?id=10939

Pregnancy Sickness Support is a UK based organisation run by GPs and midwives with direct experience of HG. They have a helpline which you can call for advice ? if nobody answers you leave a message and a midwife will call you back. They will be able to answer your questions about treatments and they keep a note of doctors around the country who are known to be sympathetic to HG sufferers and are willing to treat it with medication. Their website is at www.pregnancy sicknesssupport.org.uk

The Hyperemesis Education and Research Foundation (HER) is a US based foundation which was formed by HG survivors and has a mission to research the causes of HG and provide information and support for other sufferers. They have links to the latest scientific research and are actively involved in funding research, although you usually have to live in the USA to take part. There are loads of threads on every topic related to HG from women who have been through it, including very useful information about which treatment regimes worked. Their website is at www.hyperemesis.org.
Dealing with well meaning but unhelpful advice

Women with HG are often told by friends and family that it's just morning sickness, a normal part of pregnancy and you just have to put up with it. Many HG sufferers report extreme frustration at being advised to try ginger, dry crackers or eat little and often. Most of them have tried every remedy they can think of to no avail. Because most women are familiar with NVP, there is often an attitude of, well I had morning sickness and I just got on with it. HG sufferers are often left with the feeling that they are whingers and malingerers and that if only they could adopt a positive attitude then they would be fine. This can lead to further depression in what is already a depressive condition. In order to deal with this, it is important that the HG sufferer has some supportive friends or family who can firmly but politely fend off these comments. The sufferer will often have no energy to deal with it herself. If possible explain to the person giving the advice that you are not suffering from morning sickness, you are suffering from a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum.

I have never known anyone with HG. Where can I talk to women who understand how I feel?
There is a support thread on the talk boards here (ask MT to add link) which is run by sufferers and ex-sufferers. There are discussions of practical issues such as tips for coping and medication but the real value of this forum is that you get sympathy and understanding from people who know exactly what you're going through. If you just want to moan or let off steam, you are free to do so and nobody will hold it against you. Comments are also welcome from relatives, partners, friends and carers of HG sufferers. The HER website also has talk boards at forums.helpher.org/. There is also a UK based yahoo group called Bloomingawful at health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bloomingawful/

Finally from me, here's a list of due dates. Do add yourself when you feel up to it.

ElliottsMummy: EDD 25/9/11
Mancbird: EDD 08/10/11
AgBag: EDD 18/10/11
HeftyMutha: EDD 28/10/11
Littlewizz: EDD 6/11/11
CakeForBreakfast: EDD 07/11/11
Marylou: EDD 9/11/11
MotherofPearl: EDD 17/11/11
Eggy: EDD 30/11/11
LadyOTCM: 01/12/11
Diddygirl: EDD 19/12/11
Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD ??/12?11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
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nitnatnaboo · 13/12/2011 21:53

Hellllooooo! [waves madly from pink castle]

Sorry you are all feeling like the absolute pits. Noone really understands unless they've had it themselves. I washed up here, in a right sorry state, on the previous incarnation of this thread, a year ago today I think! Xmas 2010 was a complete washout - a hospital stay and then comatose from cyclizine for a couple of months.
Sympathies to Seapie on the weeing front. I was there too! Have you tried sitting on the loo and puking in the bath - caters for both ends at once Smile
On a brighter note, My DD Matilda is nearly 5 months old now and I have just about forgiven her...

allias · 14/12/2011 02:25

Hello everyone!! So sorry to hear that more newbies have had to join. I now have signs of pre-eclampsia showing up. Long story short, after a stay in hosp, check ups every 2 days and scans, early delivery is needed so I'm off to have a sweep tomoz. They wanted to do it today but I had no baby stuff and needed to do a shop!! Am very nervous and quite stressed, consultant told me I am at risk of placenta abruption... I am still so sick and naceaus(sp) in fact I am still dehydrated and keytones present. Baby was bothered last week while in hospital because of it. I'll keep you updated and if anyone has had a sweep before I'd be interested to hear about it.

Magnumwhite · 14/12/2011 08:41

Cosmo I understand how you feel. I felt like I had ruined our lives when the nausea started again at 5 weeks this time. And I couldn't so it again now.
But I have managed this far and we'll try to help you get there too.
Ask for another referral today to get that in place if the GP isn't helpful with what she prescribes.

Cosmogirl · 14/12/2011 09:05

Magnum - thank you. That is exactly how I feel. Just not sure I can do this with DD to look after as well....How many weeks are you now? What is the HG like for you now?

I think I might also try to get a consultant appt referral today just to cover all bases, and in case the cyclizine doesn't work.

I am going to stay at my parents next week until DH breaks up from work so I have some help with DD.

It seems like a terrible thing to say but if anything goes wrong with this pregnancy I honestly don't think I can ever get pregnant again.

seapie · 14/12/2011 09:49

cosmogirl what you are saying reminds me so much of myself. I desperately wanted a second child, so that my daughter could have a brother or sister, and the memory of HG the first time around had sort of faded. Then when it came back at 6 weeks I hated myself and the baby, and had to put up with friends and family saying 'Well you knew what you were letting yourself in for'. I had also seriously hoped that I would get away without HG the second time round (the GP gave me the 'every pregnancy is different' line when I asked). Just remember that you aren't trying to do anything outrageous; all you are trying to do is have a baby, something that most people would consider a natural thing to want to do.

I found that crying on health professionals did seem to help; especially once I got them to realise that the illness was not just making me suffer, but was seriously impacting my whole family, including my 3 year old daughter. I almost spilt up with my partner due to the stress it placed on our relationship. It's difficult if you get a GP or midwife who sees you as a medical problem rather than an individual with responsibilities. I was only taken seriously once I'd got to the stage of asking about the possibility of termination

Hope you get the consultant referral.

LucindaE · 14/12/2011 09:49

Alias Poor, poor you - how awfully stressful for you- all luck with sweep, it is too bad you are still suffering, and now all this. Can only send cyber hugs.
Cosmo All sympathies...
NitNat Lovely to hear from you, I remember well, the GP being obtuse, your getting to the point of the brown blood, then emergency investigtions Xmas Sad. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas this year. Matilda five months already?! very practical advice about the loo, just what I did myself if I got there in time to sit on it.
Horsey There's never TMI on here. I had liquids coming out of all orifices sometimes, very very unpleasant Shock.
SMA So glad pains have stopped. How is the thread thing, is it too awkward when you feel awful, do you want muddle headed Lucinda to go for it?
Seapie How is the sickness today?
Belinda Glad you are a little better...
Magnum you are doing well...
MOH I never knew that about cyclazine or avaomine, or I'd have tottered to get them when suffering, medicos behave as if they are gold dust, and how annoying of phramacists, it seems that they would let you die first...lol.
Sorry to anyone rudely overlooked.
I am stuidly proud, have with daughter's help, actually managed to upload a photo onto my homepage. Not of her,she won't have it, but I am no longer faceless...

Lucinda
xx

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fleurelise · 14/12/2011 10:34

hi all,
thanks for all the support - it really helps, if unfortunate that we're all going through this. I hit a real low over the last couple of days, ending in tears at the Dr's. He has signed me off until 5/1/12 and I can't stress how much of a relief it is. DH has been great, forcing fluid down me with threats of 'it's this or the hospital' - I had developed a bit of a fear of drinking much as it was coming up almost immediately.

SMK so sorry to hear about the pains :( I asked my mum (an ex-midwife) about similar stuff recently and she was unconcerned - basically your uterus making 'room' for baby - but I understand why you were worried. The heartbeat monitor sounds good (adding to Xmas list) :)

Cosmo so, so very sorry it's taken it's hold again, and so violently already :( I really really hope the meds allow you some control over it. I always wanted two as well, but not sure after this. Hope all the advice from MOH is helping.

Belindarose glad you are improved after the horrible phase you went through, still - I have to laugh when we say thankfully 'only' being sick once a day - signs of a true HG sufferer :)

Lucinda and Seapie thanks for the laugh out loud image of kicking your pants off in mid-flight to the loo, I know it's no joke and shall resume pelvic floor exercises as soon as I am mobile!

Horsey You've moved even earlier! Baby is certainly taking what it needs :) Glad about the heartbeat

I had no idea cyclizine was an over the counter medication - will remember that next time I drop my last two in the car and am scrabbling like a junkie - lols needinstructions re the tweezers - the lengths we will go to eh..

toomany and tubtoes so sorry you have been through the horrors as well - I was too out of it to comment previously but glad you are getting help now and fingers crossed it improves soon.

As you can see I'm playing major catch ups so apologies for the long message and to anyone I've missed. As for Xmas, I have written two cards, DH has put up and decorated the tree and that's about it! Not exactly feeling festive here..

Cosmogirl · 14/12/2011 12:26

Morning ladies, I have really good news. Got back from the GP and I have ONDANSETRON! Totally did not expect that. When I got in I saw the same GP as before and she had a letter on the system from the senior reg from my pre-natal counselling appt and on it he had instructed her to start me on Ondansetron as soon as I was showing symptoms of HG. She will also refer me back to them. She did make a bit of an issue of how expensive they are and said she really hoped they worked and I will go back to see her two weeks today. God I hope they work.

MOH - should I still continue taking the B6?

Seapie - thank you for your post - you are so right in all you say. I think crying like a baby in front of the senior reg and his student doctor must have really worked. I so did not expect him to have even bothered writing to the GP, let alone writing and recommending Zofran. So glad I name-dropped the medication to him now.

Thanks to everyone so far for your support and information. I really appreciate it. x

smk84 · 14/12/2011 13:48

HI all, have just started the 'Hyperemesis Christmas' thread, a place for us to share our advice on how to survive at Christmas !
Here is the link
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/1363393-Hyperemesis-Christmas

Lucinda thank you for the offer. I have done a quick job of it (not feeling too bad today Xmas Smile).

Magnumwhite · 14/12/2011 14:18

oh Cosmo thats the best news!

Here's my advice re Ondansetron:

It won't take away the nausea completely but should stop the vomiting and lift the nausea a good notch.
May cause constipation - i'd take anything you can tolerate to help this - for me it was lactulose and Glycerol suppositories. All available over the counter and safe during pregnancy but best not to mention to pharmacist as they prefer GP to prescribe it (which you may prefer to do as it will be free!)

MOH100 · 14/12/2011 14:55

Oh cosmo I could weep with joy for you, how bloody marvellous. I'm really surprised too but glad that doctor's obviously done some reading up and is helping you. As for B6, I'm not sure, we're in unchartered waters here with doc giving out ondansetron without making you serve your time on the less effective ones first. Maybe you should try it and see if it helps with the nausea. As magnum says, ondansetron doesn't take away the nausea completely but it does improve it to the extent that you can eat and drink again and it knocks the vomiting on the head. I took ondansetron with buccastem, I found that took a further edge of the nausea too, but I had given up on the B6 by then as I found it inneffective - though I wasn't taking a big enough dose. If i do this again, I'm going to give the B6 a try. Its safe enough anyway so why not.

also echo what magnum says about constipation, I lived on fybogel, i got the doctor to prescribe them to save money. It was ok if I took them and tried to eat as much fibre as possible - (notice the word 'eat' in the last sentence, it is possible with the marvellous ondansetron). Not being dehydrated helped too.

Another piece of ondansetron advice, If I was taking it again, I would start on the higher dose and gradually reduce it if it works. I started on one a day, then two then three then thought sod this and went up to four. This took over a week of continuing to feel really crap, though no more vomiting - although I was so nauseous I was actually wishing I could throw up just for the relief (I bet we all know that feeling). I should have just gone straight onto 4 (x 4mg) a day. I was 8 weeks by the time I got ondansetron though, maybe it'll be different for you as you've managed to get it a bit earlier.

Let us know how you get on.

sorry for not looking at other posts, got to go to DDs nursery for carol singing and santa visit.

horseynewmum · 14/12/2011 16:10

Hi all

Not too bas today. very tired but thats good as i dont feel as sick. I have been having butterfly feelings in belly for weeks now with baby wiggling but today its like they are trying to get out. Baby is defentially leaving its mark lol.

allis sorry to hear about the pre-eclampisa but on a positive note you may be HG free for xmas

nitnat so xmas 2011 going to be a great one this year with all the food you can eat.

cosmo so glad they taken you seriously the 2nd time. It is true what seapie said about crying. I did that at last doctor appointment and was signed off for a month. I believe that tears don't tell lies and it just shows the physical symptoms really affect us mentally.

Hello to everyone else now going of to Hyperemesis Christmas link.

[of i trot]

LucindaE · 14/12/2011 19:04

Cosmo Wonderful news! Grin
Fleurliese So sorry about bad days, and so glad Dr has signed you off. Good for DH making you take those liquids, though it is so frustrating when they reappear...
SMK Congratulations on splended idea of a Christmas Hyperemesis thread (I just popped over to suggest families should sacrifice the fowl in favour of nut roast, small chance of that Xmas Shock.
Horsey Sounds like an improvement?
HelibeeSeapie Instructions Tub and Everyone Belindarose I hope if not OK, then not too bad...
Lucinda
xx

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allias · 14/12/2011 20:53

thanks Lucinda, Had sweep this evening and am at home now. Got bag packed, hair washed and will have a tidy up... I feel all nestyGrin

yes horsey, I am looking forward to having a proper meal at last.

Oh I just realised, I'm still using a name change!! I had used it in early days as I didnt want to tell rl people I was expecting. I am Champs but I feel like Allias is my HG self, so weird... I can't wait to be out of this HG misery and get on with life again, HG really is rotten and it needs to be properly recognised. It affects us physically, emotionally and causes stress on the family.

I am so happy that I will soon be past this horrid time,I am sorry to be insensitive but it feels like I can finally see the end in sight and it is keeping me from being so very down about it all.

horseynewmum · 14/12/2011 21:07

allias don't be sorry about being insensitive. whats keeping me going now i'm nearly half way there is the fact i'm getting closer to the birth which means closer to having normal life. Saying that after HG I don't know what i'd class as normal.

horseynewmum · 14/12/2011 21:13

sorry that dont sound right. I mean don't be sorry, your not being insenstive.

Dazedandalittleconfused · 14/12/2011 22:46

Hi there I think I am in need of joining your thread for some moral support! I'm on my 2nd (am I mad?! :D) hg pregnancy and am just at a point now where I am so depressed at how things are going. The hyperemesis kicked in later this time (11 weeks) before which I had just had normal morning sickness, and had gone around saying to people that I could't believe how much better I was with this pregnancy! Since then I have been admitted twice and was in for almost a week the last time. I can barely look after my almost three year old ds, and have little family support as we are living in Germany (dh is in forces) . On top of all this it's ds's 3rd birthday next week and am so worried about being ill for that and/ or ruining Christmas. Sorry about the big moan!

NewBikeForChristmas · 15/12/2011 09:46

Hello ladies, I was on this thread (or its predecessors) earlier this year (my usual MN NN is BikeRunSki) and thought I'd better update you.

DD was born on 18 October Grin. She is tiny and pink and sweet and lovely. Like her brother 3 years before hand she was an emcs.

So I've got one of each. HG pg and emcs both times. I think I have proven beyond doubt that I can't do pg or childbirth. There won't be any more.

Hang in there girls. You know it is worth it in the end, but it's a hell of a journey.

Cosmogirl · 15/12/2011 10:33

Dazed - I am in a very similar place to you. It is a very lonely and scary place, isn't it? How evil of HG to lay in wait until 11 weeks. I must admit mine was much more of a slow build first time and got really bad around 10 weeks. This time however it has kicked in brutally so at 5 weeks. Are you on any medication?

New Bike - thank you for your post. It helps to hear of people who have come out the other side. You are right when you say it is a hell of a journey...

Allias - I am pleased you are almost at the Pink Castle. Is it bad that I am already dreaming of it?

Well the meds don't seem to be making much difference so far. I have upped the dose to 2 x 4 mg today, so will see if that helps. The GP said I can only go up to 2 a day....I see her again in 2 weeks so I suppose I could ask to increase it. Just hope things don't get way worse before then..... The nausea is really really strong and I definitely have that feeling of wanting to throw up already but equally being scared to.

As of tomorrow afternoon will have help with DD until January, so am feeling very relieved about that as majorly struggling to look after her already. Thank god for Cbeebies.

LucindaE · 15/12/2011 12:23

Dazed Welcome and agree with Cosmo what a mean trick of Hyperemesis to turn up late, but vicious. One week in hospital sounds awful. What is the treatment like in Germany, is it more considerate? So sorry about DD's birthday - can anyone help out at all, any of the other army wives? Moan all you wish, that is what this thread is for, who wouldn't moan? I hope it lifts a bit soon. What sort of meds have they put you on?
Bike How nice to hear from you, I remember you well as Bike Run Ski, so active. Congratulations, belatedly, on DD, pink and sweet. Exactly what do they mean by it, after all the trouble they cause Xmas Confused?
Cosmo I do hope the meds start working soon. Fingers crossed..I think others have said Ondansetron takes a few days to kick in?
Alias It isn't insenstive to be grateful at a release from torment, doesn't mean you don't care that others are suffering. Best of luck for the birth,
Horsey Oh, dear, I didn't realise you had reached twenty weeks, and still suffering.
Instructions Fleuriese SMA Seapie Tub Belladons Beleindarose
and Everyone I hope you are not suffering too horribly, in this run up to Christmas.
Lucinda
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Dazedandalittleconfused · 15/12/2011 12:39

Thanks Cosmo and Lucinda, they have got me on promethazine at the minute which does't really do anything for me but went today and asked for ondansetron which they have ordered but there can be up to 2weeks wait for it to arrive! Luckily my parents are over for Christmas so they can help, it's so frustrating being incapable of doing things- you will all know the feeling! (my house is a state! Dh does his best to tidy up every night but it's cleaning jobs that build up in our house and he works all day)
Cosmo- it must be really hard for you feeling this bad at just 5 weeks, pregnancy seems to drag so much when you feel rotten doesn't it? I keep visualising having the baby to get me though the bad days but it's hard when it's still so early!

MOH100 · 15/12/2011 15:26

cosmo why such a small dose? I was on 4 x 4mg per day and needed it all. And don't wait two weeks to get the dose increased - 2 weeks!!! what is GP thinking, doesn't she know that 2 weeks with ineffective treatment is plenty of time for dehydration to set in? I would make appointment to see her in a few days, if the ondansetron kicks in by then, you can cancel it and still see her in a couple of weeks.

dazed poor you, it's so much worse when you're far from family. Well done for your docs for getting you ondansetron, but they really should be giving you something else in the meantime if promethazine isn't working. Can they get you stemetil or buccastem? You could also try taking large doses of vitamin B6 along with the promethazine, some women find that this makes it effective. There are some posts further up about this, but in summary, 3 x 20 mg vitamin B6 taken along with your promethazine seems to work. You can push the dose of B6 up to a total of 200 mg per day if need be. Also, are you taking enough promethazine? You can take 3 x 25mg per day. As for the house, I know how upsetting it is to sit in an untidy house, but rest is mega important - this thread is littered with people saying they felt good yesterday so did some housework and are suffering for it today. Take full advantage of family help over Christmas, hopefully the ondansetron won't be long and will help.

newbike congrats for the new baby and for completing your family and never having to do this again. Enjoy the pink castle, it's all twinkly at Christmas.

LucindaE · 15/12/2011 18:54

MOH for sure, the Pink Castle decorations have gone up. A tree ten foot high in the gallery, too, we don't have to worry about height restrictions here, and there is a pantomime on ice going on...

I saw a daft thing advertised on Amazon I'd like to get for all of you and I wish I could afford it as a compensation prize - some sort of MumsToBe pack...Looked like essential oils in it...

Lucinda
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Magnumwhite · 15/12/2011 19:54

Cosmo i'd take 2x4mg together. I managed most days with just an am dose to get through the day but on bad days a pm dose too.
I think Feekerry did well on 2x4mg Ondansetron in the morning and cyclizine at night - better than Ondansetron on its own. As cyclizine tends to make you drowsy it may be helpful to get you through the night (not so good when managing a toddler through the day!)

needinstructions · 15/12/2011 19:56

Hi all, glad to hear some snippets of positive news with the drugs, not to mention the reminder that it is all worth it when you come out the other side.

I've been having a very low couple of days, mainly because I allowed myself to get my hopes up about feeling a bit better and now I seem to be back at square one. As MOH says, it's so important not to overdo things and I never seem to learn my lesson, particularly as I have been feeling very defensive since DH's accusations of 'taking the piss' at the weekend, and spending extra time with my toddler. DH has apologised for this now, btw, but there is still definitely a feeling that he thinks I'm bringing it on myself. I do know that I should be doing less, but I hate the idea of a 'lost' Christmas that I could otherwise have made special for the kids.

I'm also not sure how much of these depressed feelings (am in tears far too much) are down to being ill. I felt quite down during my last pregnancy, although I was much better physically, and got zero emotional support from DH. We talked about it loads before ttc this one and I thought he'd finally understood, so I'm pretty despairing that when I'm feeling this ill and lonely, he still can't hold back on the criticising and nasty comments when he's cross about something minor.

Sorry, this has turned into a 'me' message - I just don't really feel up to talking to anyone in real life at the moment, so have ignored all calls and avoided seeing anyone locally. This thread has been a life-line to me; you are all so caring. I don't really know how to explain it, but it's like it gives me permission to think about myself without feeling so selfish or lazy. Oh god, tears again, I think it's time I went off to bed. Hugs to everyone suffering - so many of you obviously have it far worse than me so I'm really sorry to whinge on.