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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 12:53

We need a new thread already.

I hope this thread will give support to those suffering from the Horrors of
Hyperemesis, and that it will help to talk to other sufferers and those who have survived it.

There is no such thing as tmi here - the nature of the illness means that you have to be graphic when discussing it - and feel free to moan all you wish. You have reason to!

I want to thank FluffyWhiteKittens MOH Grumblin LA Caramel NitNat Coconuts Luce Grandma TheOnly and current sufferers MaryLou PearlFeekerry and many others who have been invaluable on the former threads. My apologies to anyone I've rudely overlooked, I daren't keep gabbling too long, or I might put off current sufferers.

Remember, when you are at your worst, the words from the Eastern story: - 'This Too Shall Pass.' It will...

Below is some brilliant information from MOH's website www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk. However, if you don't feel up to reading it now, feel free to skip it for now and have a good moan.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of pregnancy sickness which affects between 1 and 3% of pregnant women. Historically, it was mistakenly thought to be a psychosomatic illness and women were treated as though they had a psychotic disorder. This view has been comprehensively disproven by numerous research papers in recent decades, and it is now known to be an illness of organic origin, although its causes have yet to be fully understood. There is a persistent common belief that no drugs should be given to women in the first trimester of pregnancy. This is not true. There are a number of effective anti-emetic (anti sickness) drugs which can safely be taken in early pregnancy. Unfortunately, the erroneous views that HG is a psychosomatic conditions and that no drugs are safe in the first trimester still persists in many places, shockingly, even amongst GPs and midwives. Sadly, many women still come across unsympathetic health professionals who are ignorant of current treatment methods.

How do I know if I have HG?
If you are suffering from persistent nausea and/or vomiting which is preventing you from eating and/or drinking then you may be suffering from HG. With ordinary nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP), the sickness does not interfere with your ability to eat and drink enough, you should not be losing weight and you should be able to continue to care for yourself and your family although you may not be feeling too great. With HG, sufferers often need help caring for themselves, never mind look after their family. The illness can be completely debilitating for weeks or even months. If you're not sure, the HER foundation website who have a fact sheet to help you determine whether or not you are suffering from HG
www.helpher.org/mothers/hyperemesis-or-morning-sickness/index.php

Diagnosis is important as you will inevitably become dehydrated and you will need to be admitted to hospital for IV rehydration. Starvation is another risk. When your body burns fat for energy, it produces chemicals called ketones which can be detected in your urine. You can monitor your levels of starvation using ketosticks, available from pharmacies. You pee on the stick and it monitors your levels of ketones. If levels are high, you should tell your doctor or midwife. If you are worried about dehydration and ketone levels and you can't see your doctor or midwife, you can go to A&E.

Facts and Figures and FAQs

HG is worse in the first trimester for the majority of sufferers, though a significant proportion (10 ? 20%) suffer for the entire duration of the pregnancy. If you have close relatives (mothers, sisters) who have had HG, you are also at significantly higher risk of being a sufferer yourself. HG is the most common cause of hospitalisation of pregnant women in the first trimester.

Is it worse carrying a boy or a girl?
There is conflicting evidence as to whether having a boy or a girl makes HG worse, some studies say boys, some say girls.

Is it worse with twins?
Yes there is evidence that carrying more than one baby makes HG worse.

Will my baby be ok?
Babies born to HG mothers are usually absolutely fine. If you lose some weight during the first trimester the risks for the baby are low as it does not need much nutrition at this time and your body should have enough stores from before your pregnancy. However, if you continue to to lose weight due to lack of treatment or failed treatment, then there is an increased risk of low birth weight or pre-term birth. Studies show that this is a risk for women who are severely ill, are dehydrated for long periods and lose more than 10% of their body weight.

There is also growing evidence of long term health effects in some children born to mothers who suffer malnutrition in pregnancy. In some cases this is not evident until adulthood with increased risk of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension.
For more information see forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=18 and www.helpher.org/hyperemesis-gravidarum/complications/fetal-programming.php

I've heard that being sick is a sign of a healthy pregnancy, is this the case with HG?
You will often be told that morning sickness is a good sign and you should be happy that you're feeling sick. This is generally the case with normal NVP, however, it is not the case with untreated HG. There is actually a higher risk of pre-term birth and low birth weight. However, continuing to feel sick may be a sign that the pregnancy is still progressing. Some women with HG who miscarried reported that the first sign was that they suddenly stopped feeling sick.

What are the treatments?
Initially you will be advised to use non-pharmacoligical strategies which are similar to the general advice given to any pregnant women suffering from nausea. These include eating little and often, eating protein-rich, low-fat meals, avoiding triggers of nausea such as strong smells and getting enough rest. You can try ginger, seabands (accupressure wristbands used for travel sickness) and extra doses of vitamin B6. Avoid getting out of bed in the morning without something in your stomach such as a tea biscuit or cracker. Some women find that these give relief in the initial stages of HG but they become ineffective once the illness is in full swing.

The next line of treatment is prescribed antiemetics such as phenergan, cyclizine, stemetil and ondansetron. For many women these work well and control the nausea and vomiting enough for them to eat and drink normally and regain some of their lost weight. Many can even return to normal life. You may find that one antiemetic on its own is not effective and you may need to try different combinations but you can discuss this with your doctor. Even with antiemetics, you will probably still need to use coping strategies such as getting extra rest, eating small frequent meals and avoiding triggers when the HG is at its peak. If you are dehydrated, you may be admitted to hospital for IV fluids. Minerals and vitamins can be added to the drip to replace any you may have lost, as well as antiemetics.

Unfortunately, antiemetics don't work for everyone. If they are ineffective, you should be referred to an obstetrician (if you haven't been already) for the next line of treatment, which will probably be steroids. These carry a small risk of cleft palate, but this will be discussed with your doctor. In a small number of cases even this is not effective and drastic treatments such as feeding with a tube directly into the stomach may have to be considered.

My GP is unsympathetic and refuses to prescribe me drugs - what should I do?
Unfortunately this experience is all too common. In this case you should see another GP if possible. You should also ask for a referral to an obstetrician. If you remain untreated and become dehydrated, you can have yourself admitted to A&E for IV fluids and ask to be seen by an obstetrician.

Do alternative remedies work?

Some women are greatly helped by alternative medicine, particularly Homepathy and Acupunture. Some women can claim to have had the illness 'stopped in its tracks' by Acupunture, but success varies between individual patients and it tends to be expensive. These remedies are worth a try if you can afford it but have a back up plan incase it doesn't work.

How long will this last for?
For most women, HG peaks in the first trimester and tails off or disappears completely later in the pregnancy. The usual advice for morning sickness is that it will improve after 12 weeks. The majority of HG sufferers find that it takes longer than this. Unfortunately, some women suffer severely for the entire pregnancy. Others find that it improves, but they suffer from nausea and occasional vomiting until birth. Relapse is quite common especially if you have tried to return to your normal busy life. There is a great temptation to make up for lost time and become very active once you start to feel better, but this very often leads to the nausea returning. You should be very careful about resuming work and normal household activities even if you feel as though you're up to it. Be careful too about stopping your medication, do it very gradually and resume at the first sign of the condition returning. You may have to continue to take it for the entire pregnancy to prevent a relapse.
All I can drink is coke, I'm worried that I'm not eating a healthy diet.

Through pregnancy, we are bombarded with advice about what to eat and what not to eat. Women with HG often find that the list of food and drinks that they can keep down is very small and not at all from the healthy options. For some reason, women with Hyperemesis ofen find sweet and salty foods ie, sweet drinks like coke, and crisps, are more likely to stay down than healthy foods. Their peculiar diet can lead to disapproving comments and the incorrect assumption that this is how they normally eat.
Various women find different drinks acceptable. Coke (often left to go flat) Lucozade, lemonade, milkshakes and IronBru, Dr Pepper, orange squash, apple juice, lime juice, ice cubes made of flat coke or just tapwater, ice lollies and sips of tepid water can help in keeping rehydrated. 

When the illness is at its worst during the early hormonal surges - typically between eight and ten weeks- then it is difficult to retain any liquids and you may need to be hospitalised for rehydration at about this time. 

When solids do become bearable,jelly, tinned fruit, ice lollies, ice cream, crisps, fish fingers, potato cakes, crumpets, soda bread and similar potato based or salty foods have often been found to be acceptable.

The important thing to remember at this time is that it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, the crucial thing is that you eat or drink something. Don't forego something because you are worried that it's bad for you. In a normal diet, too much salt and sugar is bad for you, but when you consume nothing else, this may be your only source of calories, fluid and salt for the day. Instead of berating yourself for your unhealthy diet, congratulate yourself that you have kept something down because your body needs it. If you are able to take vitamin tablets or syrups, then do so but most women find that large multivitamin tablets make the nausea worse. You may be able to get vitamins that dissolve under your tongue which you may be able to tolerate. If and when you begin to feel better, you can start to re-introduce more healthy food.

Will it go away when I give birth?
The good news is that for the vast majority of sufferers the physical symptoms of HG disappear completely as soon as the baby is born. You should be aware though that it is not unknown for the nausea to persist after birth especially if you have been severely ill. If this occurs, speak to your doctor. For women who suffered persistent, long term nausea and vomiting, it may take some time to restore energy levels and nutritional reserves. Moreover, while the physical symptoms may leave, the trauma of HG can leave an emotional legacy for many women, especially when combined with the rigours of caring for a baby. If you have any concerns, speak to your doctor or midwife. Don't feel that you should just be able to pick yourself up and get on with things, if you're having problems you are entitled to seek support.

Will I get it in my next pregnancy and will it be the same?
Unfortunately, having HG in one pregnancy puts you at a high risk of suffering in subsequent pregnancies although it is possible to escape it. Some women find that the HG gets better in subsequent pregnancies, whereas others find it stays the same or gets worse. There is really no way of knowing how your pregnancies will relate to each other.

Can I do anything to prepare for HG incase I get it again in my next pregnancy?
The HER website has a page of advice on preparing for your next pregnancy. forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=17. If you had medication which worked for you in your previous pregnancy, make sure that you have it ready to take as soon as you feel ill. Studies show that the quicker you get on top of the sickness, the better the medication works. Because HG can start within days of missing your period, see your GP as soon as you know you're pregnant.

Useful sources of information
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in the UK have no guidelines on the treatment and management of HG. However, the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) and the Society of Obs/Gynae of Canada (SOGC) have published guidelines which can be found at the following sites

www.sogc.org/guidelines/public/120E-CPG-October2002.pdf 

www.guideline.gov/content.aspx?id=10939

Pregnancy Sickness Support is a UK based organisation run by GPs and midwives with direct experience of HG. They have a helpline which you can call for advice ? if nobody answers you leave a message and a midwife will call you back. They will be able to answer your questions about treatments and they keep a note of doctors around the country who are known to be sympathetic to HG sufferers and are willing to treat it with medication. Their website is at www.pregnancy sicknesssupport.org.uk

The Hyperemesis Education and Research Foundation (HER) is a US based foundation which was formed by HG survivors and has a mission to research the causes of HG and provide information and support for other sufferers. They have links to the latest scientific research and are actively involved in funding research, although you usually have to live in the USA to take part. There are loads of threads on every topic related to HG from women who have been through it, including very useful information about which treatment regimes worked. Their website is at www.hyperemesis.org.
Dealing with well meaning but unhelpful advice

Women with HG are often told by friends and family that it's just morning sickness, a normal part of pregnancy and you just have to put up with it. Many HG sufferers report extreme frustration at being advised to try ginger, dry crackers or eat little and often. Most of them have tried every remedy they can think of to no avail. Because most women are familiar with NVP, there is often an attitude of, well I had morning sickness and I just got on with it. HG sufferers are often left with the feeling that they are whingers and malingerers and that if only they could adopt a positive attitude then they would be fine. This can lead to further depression in what is already a depressive condition. In order to deal with this, it is important that the HG sufferer has some supportive friends or family who can firmly but politely fend off these comments. The sufferer will often have no energy to deal with it herself. If possible explain to the person giving the advice that you are not suffering from morning sickness, you are suffering from a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum.

I have never known anyone with HG. Where can I talk to women who understand how I feel?
There is a support thread on the talk boards here (ask MT to add link) which is run by sufferers and ex-sufferers. There are discussions of practical issues such as tips for coping and medication but the real value of this forum is that you get sympathy and understanding from people who know exactly what you're going through. If you just want to moan or let off steam, you are free to do so and nobody will hold it against you. Comments are also welcome from relatives, partners, friends and carers of HG sufferers. The HER website also has talk boards at forums.helpher.org/. There is also a UK based yahoo group called Bloomingawful at health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bloomingawful/

Finally from me, here's a list of due dates. Do add yourself when you feel up to it.

ElliottsMummy: EDD 25/9/11
Mancbird: EDD 08/10/11
AgBag: EDD 18/10/11
HeftyMutha: EDD 28/10/11
Littlewizz: EDD 6/11/11
CakeForBreakfast: EDD 07/11/11
Marylou: EDD 9/11/11
MotherofPearl: EDD 17/11/11
Eggy: EDD 30/11/11
LadyOTCM: 01/12/11
Diddygirl: EDD 19/12/11
Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD ??/12?11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
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fleurelise · 12/12/2011 13:51

Hi everyone, apologies for being out of the loop for a bit. I was actually hoping my next post might say: my HG ended at 14 weeks.. Guess what - it's really had it's claws in lately with a vengeance. Can't even keep my meds down so pretty crap, worst of all I can only blame myself for listening to others and trying to wean myself off the meds.

Feeling crap so will cut this short. But hello and welcome to the new ladies, you're not alone.

Lucinda - my due date is 11/6/12 if that helps. xx

Cosmogirl · 12/12/2011 16:09

Thank you to Lucinda and MOH for your advice. It is so weird having the HG back - it is like it never went away, and I'm only 3 or 4 days in.....

I am currently taking Vit B6 tablets MOH - says 50 mg on bottle and I'm taking one every day. Is that sufficient or should I be taking 3 x 10 mg ones? I have an appt with the GP on Weds morning. I think you are right about meds, so will ask to get started on cyclizine. Thanks again - I really appreciate the advice and support x

Fleur - sorry to hear you are feeling rough. Hope it improves again soon x

MOH100 · 12/12/2011 16:50

cosmo you should take smaller doses of B6 regularly, I think it's excreted in urine so you need to keep the body stocked up. The motherisk protocol (documents page www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk) recommends 4 x 10 mg, 2 at bedtime, 1 in morning and one in afternoon along with 10mg of doxylamine. This is the constituents of Diclectin, but as I understand it, diclectin is formulated using slow release versions of B6 and doxylamine, so a homemade version might not work so well but is still worth a try. I'm not sure you can get doxylamine here, but combining B6 with cyclizine should have a similar effect.

As for the dose of vitamin B6, you can increase it by a lot quite safely. In the documents page of www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk again, the Ebrahimi paper has a section which says that the dose of vitamin B6 can be adjusted according to weight of the mother and severity of nausea and vomiting. Up to 500mg/day of vitamin B6 can be safely taken although 200mg/day is the current recommended high dose. In other words you could push the dose up to 50mg x2 at bedtime, x1 in the morning and x1 in the afternoon.

I managed to procure some doxylamine (as the sleeping tablet marketed in the USA as Unisom) when I was first pregnant and took it with B6 though I never found it effective but I was pissing about with small doses of B6, I think you really have to go for it to get an effect. To be honest the unisom never even helped me sleep and it's sold as a sleeping pill so maybe I'm just insensitive to it.

MOH100 · 12/12/2011 17:02

needinstructions oh my god you poor thing. Your DH is being such a butthead. Has he looked at any of the websites www.hyperemesis.org, www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk to prove that you're not making it up? It's so difficult when they behave even more childishly than the children, it's bad enough having kids to look after when the one person who's meant to be giving you support starts throwing tantrums. It's even more galling when it's him who got you into this condition in the first place!!! Don't feel guilty about the childcare, it's not your fault you've got this horrible disease and you're doing your best for them. We're pretty down on guilt on this thread - unless it's experienced by men, in which case they probably deserve it. Is there no way any family can come to stay with you over Christmas? If they knew how awful it's been for you they might make a mercy mission?

fleur I can only sympathise, can you get a zofran suppository to get you back on track so you can take oral meds? Its not a prospect to relish but might do the trick.

MOH100 · 12/12/2011 17:09

cosmo just got an update from someone taking B6, she's taking 20mg 3 times a day along with cyclizine and she swears by it. She also knows other women taking it who can't believe they've managed to stay out of hospital in the first trimester.

smk84 · 12/12/2011 17:23

Hi all, sending lots of sympathy to fleur, horsey, need, tub, cosmo and toomany and anyone else who I have missed.
horsey I can understand wanting to get on with things ! It's so frustrating sitting on my arse all day long seeing stuff that needs doing. I have looked after my DS for most of the day on my own today, which is the first time in ages, and it went ok but needing a rest now. Thank goodness DH is home early !
Need what a horrible situation to be in. No one would do any of this on purpose. I hope that your DH reflects and realises this. You will find a lot of moral support here, it may not be much but at least we all understand.
Lucinda how are you? My EDD is 5/6/11.
Too many how silly to give you meds that don't work. Hope you can get the docs to sort them asap.
As for me, have started to be able to eat wider variety of foods, and have stayed down. Think I am feeling stronger because of it. On the other hand I have been getting a lot of pressure from work to say when I will be going back and obviously I can't ! If only everyone was as understanding as you guys and my family ! I have also been told that if I can go back in January I will be given a different role. Not too bothered about that but it's a bit of a shock and I will genuinely miss my naughty challenging class (but will still be teaching them a bit !). Also, my DS fell onto my lower abdomen on Sat and have been getting worried as had various pains there. Spoke to quite abrubt midwife who told me it probably hadn't done any harm, to rest and take painkillers ! They have eased off now but it is not off my mind completely.

spannermary · 12/12/2011 17:38

LucindaE my DD is 8/4/12. Baking a boy!

LucindaE · 12/12/2011 19:08

Need Intructions I can only offer sympathy and cyber hugs and agree withMOH's words - don't feel guilty, you are doing what you can, OH is being touchy, see if you can get him to read up on Hyperemesis a bit, he'll see how little you are malingering. I hope he calms down and realises sensible mothers don't go in for blatant favouritism. Are there any friends who might help you out a bit?
SMA Oh dear, I was hoping pains gone off, its probably bruises, don't you think, but why not have it checked out just to put your mind at ease? Stress will make your Hyperemesis worse, for sure...
Fleurliese Poor you, more excellent advice from MOH about how to circumvent problem with oral meds. I do hope you get it under control again really soon.
Cosmo Poor you too, it's really interesting abot B6.
Just going to check up on Spannermarys date and do a update of due dates of sorts.
Apologies to anyone I haven't named...
Lucinda
xx

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LucindaE · 12/12/2011 19:14

Bensgirl: EDD? (Did I stupidly lose this?)
Alias: EDD 23/12/11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
Horseynewmum: EDD 24/5/12
Spannermary 8/4/12 (boy)
SMK 5/6/12
Fleurliese 11/6/12

Something of an update...Newbies tell us the due dates if you feel up to it.

Lucinda
xx

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horseynewmum · 12/12/2011 19:25

Hi all. I'm feeling a bit sorry for myself today as started being sick about 5am this morning and tired all day. I've learnt my lesson and rest is what i should do. Saw midwife today. She was shocked at how much weight i've lost. She supporting my GP with the unfit to work. Herd the heartbwat. My DH is grinning ear to ear and i'm being spoilt by him as usual with rest.

smk i understand what you mean about family only understanding how ill you are. I do believe that you have to see to believe the affects of HG

need sorry to hear you going through this too.

cosmo sorry to hear its come back for you on this pregnancy

Fluerlise sorry to hear its taking hold again.

Lucinda my EDD has moved forward a day to 23/5/12.how are you?

Sorry if missed anyone

LucindaE · 12/12/2011 19:50

Horsey Sorry you are suffering badly, but I am so glad about heartbeat.
So, new list, with Horsey added.

Bensgirl: EDD? (Did I stupidly lose this?)
Alias: EDD 23/12/11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
Horseynewmum: EDD 24/5/12
Spannermary 8/4/12 (boy)
SMK 5/6/12
Fleurliese 11/6/12
HorseyNewMum 23/5/12

Lucinda
xx

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spannermary · 12/12/2011 23:22

Horseynewmum - my DH gets it most of the time, as we share a house! But say my grandparents this weekend, and they clearly think its ridiculous I'm still signed off work. My Grandad is in his 80s and hasn't retired yet - he rarely even has a day off (even on the weekend). Basically, hard work is their moral code so see me being off work for 3 months as plain bizarre.

What makes it harder is that my Gran barely even acknowledges the pregnancy as she had a placenta praevia in 1951 - Pre-scans - and so doesn't really see my bump as a person.

I should be more understanding than I am about that, but think it's a big shame for her to live her life with such a cloud hanging over her...especially as she went on to have 2 healthy children.

Sorry - bit irrelevant really...just needed to vent having been made to feel a little like I'm making a huge fuss over nothing this weekend!

seapie · 13/12/2011 09:31

I had to give in - after 10 days of unrelenting nausea I threw up violently last night, managing to wet myself at the same time. Very humiliating. And it's all my fault because this pregnancy I've been concentrating on surviving rather than doing pelvic floor exercises a million times a day. I'm worried now that if I keep being sick I'm going to run out of pants.

Wasn't there someone on this thread who had perfected the art of removing her pants as she dashed to the bathroom for a vom? I am very impressed. I think I'd probably just fall over if I tried.........

Sorry to everyone if this is too much info for you, but its the sort of thing that I can't really tell anyone about apart from on here. One day I might see the funny side of it?

Sympathies to everyone else suffering at the moment.

spannermary · 13/12/2011 09:37

Oh seapie I feel your pain...pregnancy incontinence was a real low point for me... You'll get through it! Xx

Cosmogirl · 13/12/2011 09:43

Thank you so much for the info on B6 MOH - it is really useful. I have sent DH to get some 10 mg doses today along with some ketosticks. The nausea is so strong at 5+3 and I am already struggling to eat. Thank goodness for Dr appt tomorrow morning - I am not leaving without a prescription. I can't seem to stop crying today Sad.

Seapie - so sorry - that sounds awful. My pelvic floor is useless so I probably have this all to come.

Lucinda - EDD is 11/08/2012

needinstructions · 13/12/2011 10:15

Oh seapie, I can so sympathise - I've pissed myself while throwing up too and it is mortifying, even when it's in your own home and you can clean up immediately. It made me very nervous of going back to work, that's for sure... Hope it helps to know you're not alone, anyway.

And I wanted to say thank you to everyone who is being so supportive re my last post. I know that I'm doing as much as I can for my kids so it is silly to get upset by ignorant comments from DH about favouritism and faking illness. Actually, both kids have been really loving and affectionate for the last couple of days - even the little one seems to know I am struggling and is giving the best hugs and kisses in the world. I really am blessed with them.

Lots of love to everyone suffering badly at the moment. I had a bad night but it was my own fault for losing my cyclizine tablets (found now, thank goodness). I was so desperate, I even found myself fishing in the floorboard cracks with a pair of tweezers, trying to find the tablet I knew I'd dropped there a few days ago! The lengths we'll go to...

LucindaE · 13/12/2011 11:23

Seapie She Who Removed Her Knickers was me - I used to wet myself every time, so I had enogh practice. Nor was it in late pregnancy, as in your case. Then it was the bathroom floor that got it - I made up a rhyme about it once on here: - 'LucindaE Didn't have a Puke Without Having a Pee' it was very ridiculous. I peed myself during Puking in Street Bin (they didn't have lids on in Ealing where we lived then) episodes too. Really sorry you are back to puking, that's awful and I do hope it was a one off.
Intructions How are y ou today? I'm glad you aren't quite so upset, but OH really is misbehaving, tut tut...
Spannermary That is awful for your Gran,I believe that it is impossible to get over the loss of a baby,I know that I have only 98 per cent got over a miscarriage I had before haivng my daughter, and that was first trimister. It does seem to have made your Gran a bit impervious...
Cosmo Will add you.
I hope Everyone is doing better today. Horsey Fleurliese SMK Belindarose and all?

Bensgirl: EDD? (Did I stupidly lose this?)
Alias: EDD 23/12/11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
Horseynewmum: EDD 24/5/12
Spannermary 8/4/12 (boy)
HorseynewMum 23/5/12
SMK 5/6/12
Fleurliese 11/6/12
Cosmo 11/08/12

Lucinda
xx

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seapie · 13/12/2011 13:37

Thanks to everyone who has made me feel better about the wetting myself!

Just managed to get to the hospital to pick up some more ondansetron. There was a note from the consultant with the prescription "Please use sparingly" Does he think I eat them for fun? The rate he gives them out I have to ration myself to one 4mg tablet every 2 days. Is he worried about his budget or the health of my baby? Since he hasn't wanted to actually see me face to face for nearly 3 months I doubt he's concerned about my well being.

GRRRRRRRRRR

Magnumwhite · 13/12/2011 13:42

Cosmo I really feel your pain, wish I could help more.

Can you take anyone with you to Drs appt to help fight your cause?

i know this might be possible for everyone but I have the following suggestions if finance allows:

If ultimately the NHS fails you, a private Dr is much more likely to prescribe the medication you need. You can always transfer back to the NHS later

Acupuncture may be worth a try

really hope it goes well tomorrow

marylou242 · 13/12/2011 15:56

cosmo congratulations on being pregnant! I was wondering if you'd decided to go for it in the end. Sorry to hear the sickness is kicking in though. I remember really hoping that I'd be spared it the second time and it's so depressing when you realise it's starting off again. I hope you get the cyclizine okay. I really think that it helped me the second time, and the earlier you start to try things the better. I had cyclizine with B6 3 times a day. I'm not sure what strength they were but they were Boots own brand if that's any help. Without the B6, the cyclizine made me really dizzy and tired but it was a lot different once combined. Don't let the Dr fob you off with a cheaper alternative (stemetil I think it was called). I think they are supposed to prescribe the cheapest thing first and cyclizine is a bit more expensive.

seapie sorry you've bumped into a stingy doctor. It really annoys me when the NHS is mean. Take as many as you need and ignore him. I'm sure you've probably paid enough tax to cover the cost... Then again, perhaps you should take none at all and be admitted to hospital? I wonder which is the cheaper option???

Things are okay here. Suffering from lack of sleep but would rather have that than be throwing up. Sorry to those who are feeling ill at the moment.

MOH100 · 13/12/2011 16:47

Another meds related post, I've just got some intel that cyclizine is available over the counter - maybe I'm being dim and everyone knew that already, I never took it so never went looking for it. Promethazine is also available over the counter, it's sold as Avomine a travel sickness remedey, apparently the box has planes boats and cars on it. These are two drugs you can take with vit B6 to make a sort of homemade diclectin. But whatever you do, don't let on to the pharamacist you're pregnant, tell them it's for travel sickness or they won't give you it.

marylou good to hear someone else with a good result taking B6 and cyclizine. I think stemetil is a different class of drug altogether, it's not an antihistamine and is an alternative to or can be used in combination with cyclizine. There is another cheaper antihistamine than cyclizine but I can't remember the name.

seapie agree with marylou, take as many as you need, the expense is not your problem. And you just can't afford all the new underwear....

smk any more on the abdo pains? has it resolved?

belindarose · 13/12/2011 16:52

God, some of you really are having a hideous time. My meds are working reasonably well again. Still nauseous and sick around once a day, but not constant nausea at the moment.
Due date 29/ 06/ 12 for me.

smk84 · 13/12/2011 16:59

MOH thank you for asking. Seems to have settled down where he fell, just getting little crampy type pains everywhere which I think are growing pains. Bought a heart monitor and heard the baby this morning, so that reassures me too.
Hugs to all, will repost again soon but taking advantage of a little energy boost to put some Christmas decs up. WE WILL CELEBRATE, WE WILL CELEBRATE (I am determined not to let this nausea ruin it !!)

horseynewmum · 13/12/2011 18:36

Hi all.

seapie sorry to hear about the wetting yourself. to make you feel better my only toilet is downstairs as is the bathroom and once when I was a little bit loose I had to run downstairs while being sick in the bucket to go to toilet. Neitherless to say I was still to late and the knickers went in bin. Glad had bucket tho as i was there a while with both ends in over drive. Sorry TMI

smk I wasnt going to bother with xmas tree this year as not feeling festive and going to my mums for christmas but DH wants to help decorate the tree (first time for everything) so it will go up but tomorrow as too tired today. also glad you pains are settling and baby still going.

Hope everyone else ok

Cosmogirl · 13/12/2011 19:46

Evening,

Magnum - thank you - means a lot. I'm going on my own with DD tomorrow but it is the Dr I saw before so I am hopeful she will prescribe, I am going to try and be assertive. I probably will cry but that might help :) :(

Marylou - thank you. I'm glad the cyclizine B6 combo helped you. I hope it does me. Not sure how I going to cope otherwise.

Been thinking today about how naive I was going into this. I had so forgotten how hideous HG truly is. I know for a fact there is no way I can ever go through this again. I just don't think I have it in me.

The nausea is just constant and really strong. I'm sure it is going to progress to vomiting soon.