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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 12:53

We need a new thread already.

I hope this thread will give support to those suffering from the Horrors of
Hyperemesis, and that it will help to talk to other sufferers and those who have survived it.

There is no such thing as tmi here - the nature of the illness means that you have to be graphic when discussing it - and feel free to moan all you wish. You have reason to!

I want to thank FluffyWhiteKittens MOH Grumblin LA Caramel NitNat Coconuts Luce Grandma TheOnly and current sufferers MaryLou PearlFeekerry and many others who have been invaluable on the former threads. My apologies to anyone I've rudely overlooked, I daren't keep gabbling too long, or I might put off current sufferers.

Remember, when you are at your worst, the words from the Eastern story: - 'This Too Shall Pass.' It will...

Below is some brilliant information from MOH's website www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk. However, if you don't feel up to reading it now, feel free to skip it for now and have a good moan.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of pregnancy sickness which affects between 1 and 3% of pregnant women. Historically, it was mistakenly thought to be a psychosomatic illness and women were treated as though they had a psychotic disorder. This view has been comprehensively disproven by numerous research papers in recent decades, and it is now known to be an illness of organic origin, although its causes have yet to be fully understood. There is a persistent common belief that no drugs should be given to women in the first trimester of pregnancy. This is not true. There are a number of effective anti-emetic (anti sickness) drugs which can safely be taken in early pregnancy. Unfortunately, the erroneous views that HG is a psychosomatic conditions and that no drugs are safe in the first trimester still persists in many places, shockingly, even amongst GPs and midwives. Sadly, many women still come across unsympathetic health professionals who are ignorant of current treatment methods.

How do I know if I have HG?
If you are suffering from persistent nausea and/or vomiting which is preventing you from eating and/or drinking then you may be suffering from HG. With ordinary nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP), the sickness does not interfere with your ability to eat and drink enough, you should not be losing weight and you should be able to continue to care for yourself and your family although you may not be feeling too great. With HG, sufferers often need help caring for themselves, never mind look after their family. The illness can be completely debilitating for weeks or even months. If you're not sure, the HER foundation website who have a fact sheet to help you determine whether or not you are suffering from HG
www.helpher.org/mothers/hyperemesis-or-morning-sickness/index.php

Diagnosis is important as you will inevitably become dehydrated and you will need to be admitted to hospital for IV rehydration. Starvation is another risk. When your body burns fat for energy, it produces chemicals called ketones which can be detected in your urine. You can monitor your levels of starvation using ketosticks, available from pharmacies. You pee on the stick and it monitors your levels of ketones. If levels are high, you should tell your doctor or midwife. If you are worried about dehydration and ketone levels and you can't see your doctor or midwife, you can go to A&E.

Facts and Figures and FAQs

HG is worse in the first trimester for the majority of sufferers, though a significant proportion (10 ? 20%) suffer for the entire duration of the pregnancy. If you have close relatives (mothers, sisters) who have had HG, you are also at significantly higher risk of being a sufferer yourself. HG is the most common cause of hospitalisation of pregnant women in the first trimester.

Is it worse carrying a boy or a girl?
There is conflicting evidence as to whether having a boy or a girl makes HG worse, some studies say boys, some say girls.

Is it worse with twins?
Yes there is evidence that carrying more than one baby makes HG worse.

Will my baby be ok?
Babies born to HG mothers are usually absolutely fine. If you lose some weight during the first trimester the risks for the baby are low as it does not need much nutrition at this time and your body should have enough stores from before your pregnancy. However, if you continue to to lose weight due to lack of treatment or failed treatment, then there is an increased risk of low birth weight or pre-term birth. Studies show that this is a risk for women who are severely ill, are dehydrated for long periods and lose more than 10% of their body weight.

There is also growing evidence of long term health effects in some children born to mothers who suffer malnutrition in pregnancy. In some cases this is not evident until adulthood with increased risk of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension.
For more information see forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=18 and www.helpher.org/hyperemesis-gravidarum/complications/fetal-programming.php

I've heard that being sick is a sign of a healthy pregnancy, is this the case with HG?
You will often be told that morning sickness is a good sign and you should be happy that you're feeling sick. This is generally the case with normal NVP, however, it is not the case with untreated HG. There is actually a higher risk of pre-term birth and low birth weight. However, continuing to feel sick may be a sign that the pregnancy is still progressing. Some women with HG who miscarried reported that the first sign was that they suddenly stopped feeling sick.

What are the treatments?
Initially you will be advised to use non-pharmacoligical strategies which are similar to the general advice given to any pregnant women suffering from nausea. These include eating little and often, eating protein-rich, low-fat meals, avoiding triggers of nausea such as strong smells and getting enough rest. You can try ginger, seabands (accupressure wristbands used for travel sickness) and extra doses of vitamin B6. Avoid getting out of bed in the morning without something in your stomach such as a tea biscuit or cracker. Some women find that these give relief in the initial stages of HG but they become ineffective once the illness is in full swing.

The next line of treatment is prescribed antiemetics such as phenergan, cyclizine, stemetil and ondansetron. For many women these work well and control the nausea and vomiting enough for them to eat and drink normally and regain some of their lost weight. Many can even return to normal life. You may find that one antiemetic on its own is not effective and you may need to try different combinations but you can discuss this with your doctor. Even with antiemetics, you will probably still need to use coping strategies such as getting extra rest, eating small frequent meals and avoiding triggers when the HG is at its peak. If you are dehydrated, you may be admitted to hospital for IV fluids. Minerals and vitamins can be added to the drip to replace any you may have lost, as well as antiemetics.

Unfortunately, antiemetics don't work for everyone. If they are ineffective, you should be referred to an obstetrician (if you haven't been already) for the next line of treatment, which will probably be steroids. These carry a small risk of cleft palate, but this will be discussed with your doctor. In a small number of cases even this is not effective and drastic treatments such as feeding with a tube directly into the stomach may have to be considered.

My GP is unsympathetic and refuses to prescribe me drugs - what should I do?
Unfortunately this experience is all too common. In this case you should see another GP if possible. You should also ask for a referral to an obstetrician. If you remain untreated and become dehydrated, you can have yourself admitted to A&E for IV fluids and ask to be seen by an obstetrician.

Do alternative remedies work?

Some women are greatly helped by alternative medicine, particularly Homepathy and Acupunture. Some women can claim to have had the illness 'stopped in its tracks' by Acupunture, but success varies between individual patients and it tends to be expensive. These remedies are worth a try if you can afford it but have a back up plan incase it doesn't work.

How long will this last for?
For most women, HG peaks in the first trimester and tails off or disappears completely later in the pregnancy. The usual advice for morning sickness is that it will improve after 12 weeks. The majority of HG sufferers find that it takes longer than this. Unfortunately, some women suffer severely for the entire pregnancy. Others find that it improves, but they suffer from nausea and occasional vomiting until birth. Relapse is quite common especially if you have tried to return to your normal busy life. There is a great temptation to make up for lost time and become very active once you start to feel better, but this very often leads to the nausea returning. You should be very careful about resuming work and normal household activities even if you feel as though you're up to it. Be careful too about stopping your medication, do it very gradually and resume at the first sign of the condition returning. You may have to continue to take it for the entire pregnancy to prevent a relapse.
All I can drink is coke, I'm worried that I'm not eating a healthy diet.

Through pregnancy, we are bombarded with advice about what to eat and what not to eat. Women with HG often find that the list of food and drinks that they can keep down is very small and not at all from the healthy options. For some reason, women with Hyperemesis ofen find sweet and salty foods ie, sweet drinks like coke, and crisps, are more likely to stay down than healthy foods. Their peculiar diet can lead to disapproving comments and the incorrect assumption that this is how they normally eat.
Various women find different drinks acceptable. Coke (often left to go flat) Lucozade, lemonade, milkshakes and IronBru, Dr Pepper, orange squash, apple juice, lime juice, ice cubes made of flat coke or just tapwater, ice lollies and sips of tepid water can help in keeping rehydrated. 

When the illness is at its worst during the early hormonal surges - typically between eight and ten weeks- then it is difficult to retain any liquids and you may need to be hospitalised for rehydration at about this time. 

When solids do become bearable,jelly, tinned fruit, ice lollies, ice cream, crisps, fish fingers, potato cakes, crumpets, soda bread and similar potato based or salty foods have often been found to be acceptable.

The important thing to remember at this time is that it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, the crucial thing is that you eat or drink something. Don't forego something because you are worried that it's bad for you. In a normal diet, too much salt and sugar is bad for you, but when you consume nothing else, this may be your only source of calories, fluid and salt for the day. Instead of berating yourself for your unhealthy diet, congratulate yourself that you have kept something down because your body needs it. If you are able to take vitamin tablets or syrups, then do so but most women find that large multivitamin tablets make the nausea worse. You may be able to get vitamins that dissolve under your tongue which you may be able to tolerate. If and when you begin to feel better, you can start to re-introduce more healthy food.

Will it go away when I give birth?
The good news is that for the vast majority of sufferers the physical symptoms of HG disappear completely as soon as the baby is born. You should be aware though that it is not unknown for the nausea to persist after birth especially if you have been severely ill. If this occurs, speak to your doctor. For women who suffered persistent, long term nausea and vomiting, it may take some time to restore energy levels and nutritional reserves. Moreover, while the physical symptoms may leave, the trauma of HG can leave an emotional legacy for many women, especially when combined with the rigours of caring for a baby. If you have any concerns, speak to your doctor or midwife. Don't feel that you should just be able to pick yourself up and get on with things, if you're having problems you are entitled to seek support.

Will I get it in my next pregnancy and will it be the same?
Unfortunately, having HG in one pregnancy puts you at a high risk of suffering in subsequent pregnancies although it is possible to escape it. Some women find that the HG gets better in subsequent pregnancies, whereas others find it stays the same or gets worse. There is really no way of knowing how your pregnancies will relate to each other.

Can I do anything to prepare for HG incase I get it again in my next pregnancy?
The HER website has a page of advice on preparing for your next pregnancy. forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=17. If you had medication which worked for you in your previous pregnancy, make sure that you have it ready to take as soon as you feel ill. Studies show that the quicker you get on top of the sickness, the better the medication works. Because HG can start within days of missing your period, see your GP as soon as you know you're pregnant.

Useful sources of information
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in the UK have no guidelines on the treatment and management of HG. However, the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) and the Society of Obs/Gynae of Canada (SOGC) have published guidelines which can be found at the following sites

www.sogc.org/guidelines/public/120E-CPG-October2002.pdf 

www.guideline.gov/content.aspx?id=10939

Pregnancy Sickness Support is a UK based organisation run by GPs and midwives with direct experience of HG. They have a helpline which you can call for advice ? if nobody answers you leave a message and a midwife will call you back. They will be able to answer your questions about treatments and they keep a note of doctors around the country who are known to be sympathetic to HG sufferers and are willing to treat it with medication. Their website is at www.pregnancy sicknesssupport.org.uk

The Hyperemesis Education and Research Foundation (HER) is a US based foundation which was formed by HG survivors and has a mission to research the causes of HG and provide information and support for other sufferers. They have links to the latest scientific research and are actively involved in funding research, although you usually have to live in the USA to take part. There are loads of threads on every topic related to HG from women who have been through it, including very useful information about which treatment regimes worked. Their website is at www.hyperemesis.org.
Dealing with well meaning but unhelpful advice

Women with HG are often told by friends and family that it's just morning sickness, a normal part of pregnancy and you just have to put up with it. Many HG sufferers report extreme frustration at being advised to try ginger, dry crackers or eat little and often. Most of them have tried every remedy they can think of to no avail. Because most women are familiar with NVP, there is often an attitude of, well I had morning sickness and I just got on with it. HG sufferers are often left with the feeling that they are whingers and malingerers and that if only they could adopt a positive attitude then they would be fine. This can lead to further depression in what is already a depressive condition. In order to deal with this, it is important that the HG sufferer has some supportive friends or family who can firmly but politely fend off these comments. The sufferer will often have no energy to deal with it herself. If possible explain to the person giving the advice that you are not suffering from morning sickness, you are suffering from a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum.

I have never known anyone with HG. Where can I talk to women who understand how I feel?
There is a support thread on the talk boards here (ask MT to add link) which is run by sufferers and ex-sufferers. There are discussions of practical issues such as tips for coping and medication but the real value of this forum is that you get sympathy and understanding from people who know exactly what you're going through. If you just want to moan or let off steam, you are free to do so and nobody will hold it against you. Comments are also welcome from relatives, partners, friends and carers of HG sufferers. The HER website also has talk boards at forums.helpher.org/. There is also a UK based yahoo group called Bloomingawful at health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bloomingawful/

Finally from me, here's a list of due dates. Do add yourself when you feel up to it.

ElliottsMummy: EDD 25/9/11
Mancbird: EDD 08/10/11
AgBag: EDD 18/10/11
HeftyMutha: EDD 28/10/11
Littlewizz: EDD 6/11/11
CakeForBreakfast: EDD 07/11/11
Marylou: EDD 9/11/11
MotherofPearl: EDD 17/11/11
Eggy: EDD 30/11/11
LadyOTCM: 01/12/11
Diddygirl: EDD 19/12/11
Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD ??/12?11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
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horseynewmum · 10/12/2011 10:21

Magnum so glad you seem to got over it. bet you feel like a new person. hope it continues for rest of pregnancy

Clandy · 10/12/2011 19:02

Brilliant news magnum! Hoping to have more posts like this from everyone else soon so we can all indulge in yummy Xmas food! I think it may actually break my heart if I cant eat my Xmas dinner!!! (I know... Rather a good life if that's all I have to worry about!) Smile

Yes horsey blame dp.... They are always to blame Grin

LucindaE · 10/12/2011 22:07

Back from Fireman's Christmas Carol Service - can't believe only two weeks to Christmas, I wish everyone could have a day of from Hyperemesis at Christmas, as its a holiday Xmas Sad. But...you'll be the lucky ones next Christmas, like TheOnly.
Magnum What happy news, and LO sleeping again. What more could you want! Smile
Clandy and Horsey I hope you are having a better day today, and Belindarose too. Not fair to suffer for writing out Christmas cards...
Lucinda
xx

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tubtoes · 10/12/2011 22:10

Hi there
I'm not sure if i should be here as i am uncertain whether it is Hyperemisis if nothing actually comes out, instead i am extremely nauseaus, most of the day and have regular bouts of violent retching that are totally unsucessful, just feels like my stomach is going to come hurtling out my throat. It exhausts me and makes me miserable and shakey. Its only been going on a week so far (am 6wks + 2) and the thought of it contiuing terrifies me, especially as i have to go back to work next week. I am eating small bits quite regularly even though i have no interest in food, my smell sense is so strong most smells make me retch again.
When I told my doctor she gave me a prescripton for Vomex A suppositeries, has anyone had any experience with Vomex A? I am scared to take medication, feel i should just grin and bear it for babys sake, but if it will give me some relief for this week of work perhaps I should give it a go?
Thanks for listening to my moan! and any experiences or advice would be gratefully recieved...
Tubtoes

smk84 · 10/12/2011 22:22

Hi Tubtoes, welcome. I have been on this thread for a few weeks and my doc says I have 'hyperemesis' but not sure i have the gravidarum bit. I said not sure if I had it when I first posted here, and the ladies have been so welcoming and supportive. Do hang around here as I know you will receive good support and advice. YOu are having such a rough time, so sorry to hear that. No experience with Vomex, but am sure someone else will be along soon. I too really didn't want to take meds, but I would have been dehydrated and malnourished if I hadn't. Mine started at 5.5 weeks, and not meaning to worry you, but it did worsen over the following 5 weeks, and I think that many people find it worsens over the first trimester. I am only telling you this because I have read that early intervention (with medication) can be more effective the earlier it is started. MOH knows a lot about meds and has created a site which links to safety reports on the various types. I will go and try to find the link for you now. Do try not to be worried about work, if you need to be signed off for a while then that's just the way it needs to be (I have been off for 6 weeks now). You and the baby are the priority. Take care.

smk84 · 10/12/2011 22:23

Tubtoes, here is the link
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/

tubtoes · 10/12/2011 22:30

Thank you so much smk84, its so nice to get some support, i live abroad so havent told a soul yet so feel very alone in all this. Also, we werent really trying for baby so i've gone from totally normal everyday life to being pregnant and feeling utterly shit...bit of a shock to the system. Luckily have a saintly DH and am going home for xmas in 11 days where i can tell my mama and be looked after by her! If it leaves at wk 10 thats ok, just as long as it leaves at some point!
There was no reference to Vomex A in that link but lots of useful other stuff, thanks, I will stick around and see what people have to say...
TT

theonlyhb2 · 10/12/2011 22:55

HEY TUBTOES, "they" say its hyperemesis if its stopping you carry on with normal day to day life. it could just be the initial hormone shock to your body but make sure you rest and keep well hydrated now and at least you will notice any triggers....most of us felt it was "normal" in the beginning then started to get ridiculous but by then you think maybe you are just a wimp (but yr deffo not!) Mum's are the best at looking after you if you can get them!

just survived a 4 day migraine! 4 days! def worse since pregnancy :( had to call my mum to rescue us friday as both not well and couldn't cope. bless her, i am 30, surely too old for that!! hope everyone had a vom free saturday night x

MOH100 · 10/12/2011 23:07

Hi tubtoes welcome to the thread. I'm afraid it does sound like the beginnings of hyperemesis, it usually starts with bad nausea before the actual vomiting and within a fairly short time you might find that it becomes more and more difficult to eat and drink. The drug you've been given has the generic name dimenhydrinate and is an antihistamine. The antihistamines are usually the first drugs given for pregnancy sickness as they have the longest and best safety record. There is mention of dimenhydrinate in the following link
www.hyperemesis.org/mothers/treatments/medications.php and it says that the antihistamines are safe in the first trimester.

If you do have HG, then gritting your teeth and not taking drugs is not really an option. In any case, any drugs you will be offered have a good safety record and any theoretical risk to the baby will be far outweighed by the benefit of being able to eat. It is actually statistically more dangerous for both you and the baby if you don't take the drugs and end up dehydrated and starved. Very few people will tell you this, you can expect people to throw up their hands in horror as if you were an evil baby abuser because you take anything in pregnancy but this is simply ignorance on their part and is not borne out by decades of research.

smk84 is right, the earlier you get on top of HG the better the treatments work. Nausea and vomiting is a bit like pain, it's much better to stop it getting a hold in the first place, and much harder to get rid of once your body is in the routine of being sick. Best practice is to start with an antihistamine type drug, give it a few days to see if it helps, then progress onto a second line treatment, again, give it time (but not too much) to see if it's working, then move to third line and so on.

On the documents page of sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/ there are protocols for treatment from Canada and the USA, the documents are called SOCG guidelines and ACOG guidelines. You can download these and they're good ones to read to keep informed and to take to your doctor incase they need any more information. Some doctors will prescribe you antihistamines but won't go any further so if they don't work you just get left to suffer. You shouldn't accept this, there are many more drugs you can safely take.

If you get on top of it now, it is actually possible to manage HG. i had good treatment and didn't have to be admitted to hospital at any stage - in contrast to my sisters who were 'treated' by ignorant doctors who wouldn't prescribe anything in the first trimester so they ended up in and out of hospital on IV fluids. That's the good news- now brace yourself for the bad, I'm sorry to have to tell you that if you do have HG, then there's not much chance it will stop at 10 weeks. Practically everyone will tell you that it stops at 12 weeks, but that's only true for 'normal' morning sickness, with HG it's more common for it to continue for much longer. Most women don't get much improvement before 16 weeks and more than 45% are still being sick after 30 weeks. I'm really sorry but it's better to be prepared mentally - then it's a bonus if it does stop earlier.

As for work, I don't think there's anyone on this thread who wasn't signed off work for quite a long time. I still couldn't work a full day even on the meds up until 16 weeks. And I don't think there's anyone either who wouldn't recommend lots of rest as a way of coping with the nausea.

If you do progress to HG and you can't talk to anyone else, there is plenty of support on here. You can moan as much as you want and nobody will judge. We all know how utterly miserable it can be. Good for you that DH is a saint, and lap up all that lovely motherly attention while you can over Christmas.

Magnumwhite · 11/12/2011 09:18

Agree with everything MOH and Smk84 said.
1st pregnancy I was off work from wk 5-13 then hospitalised twice for iv fluids at wk 16 and 17 - i think when I tried to resume normal work too early it just all came back with a vengeance.
You can't push through and fight it - you have to do whatever it takes to be able to keep down a little food and fluids and for me as vomiting was triggered by any small movement as well as smells and sounds etc, that meant lying on the couch for about 8 wks initially.

This time I've had early intervention with the most effective antiemetics and not tried to work at all - although I have had a toddler to manage!
still was almost constantly nauseaus til about wk 21 but I have been more functional this time. Now still nauseaus early am and if I don't eat regularly and I know it'll be like that til birth but its a whole lot better than it was.

You need to find a sympathetic GP, and get your mum or DH to fight your cause if you're not happy with the treatment that you are getting.
Don't be fobbed off by anyone who tells you that you're over reacting or need to just pull yourself together and eat ginger biscuits. This is a horrible debilitating condition and we will all try to support you as much as we can

Magnumwhite · 11/12/2011 09:20
tubtoes · 11/12/2011 14:22

Thankyou so much, had terrible night and feeling horrendous and weak today, just sent DH off to buy the Vomex, if it doesnt work after 3 days then I'll go back to the doc. Thanks for all the support, will write more when feeling better
TT

horseynewmum · 11/12/2011 15:30

Welcome tubtoes sorry its over HG. I had mine for 10 wks now. It kicked in at 7 weeks and i'm now 17 and i'm starting to improve, after 2 hospital admissions, as long as i rest and don;t do anything and I mean anything.

This page has a big support to me through coping with HG and supporting me through my treatment of work (unfortuantly my bosses don't think HG is real and my drs have been making it up), but everyone here has helped me kept my mind by supporting and telling me the facts. I feel I can turn to this page and pour my heart out. Its like big family.

Magnum my due date is now 23/5/12

Lucinda i think it was more the fact card writing was mentally draining which made me tried which then makes me feel crap lol

Hope everyone else doing ok today

toomanydinosaurs · 11/12/2011 17:39

Hi everyone,
Haven't been on here for a while but had a quick read and see that some of you are feeling some relief finally. Unfortunately I took a turn for the worst over the past week and ended up in hospital with severe dehydration. It was horrible but staying in hospital actually did help as I think the dehydration was actually making the nausea worse (if possible?). I'm a bit annoyed though as they sent me home with stemetil again which didn't work for me. I was hoping to get a different meds.
Welcome to tubtoes I really hope this doesn't last too long for you and that you get the on the meds if needed. I don't have any experience with vomex but I've been on Phenergan, Stemetil and cyclizine and I can say for me none of them touch the nausea. They are good for the vomiting though. But I know lots of ladies do find these meds helpful and give them a chance to live somewhat normally.
My HG kicked in at 5 weeks exactly and I'm 9+weeks now. It's been progressively getting worse and worse but I'm hoping that it will peak and then come down. Fingers x for that!!
I do second everyones comments that this thread is very helpful and supportive and MOH's site is very informative too.
Sorry I can't write to everyone individually but again great to hear some are better and to those that are still feeling ill hope things improve soon!
xx

LucindaE · 11/12/2011 19:13

Tubtoes Welcome, I can only say 'hear, hear' to Smks advice and MOH's too. Excellently and succinctly (I had one but the wheel fell off) given. Don't try and be stoic, do take along someone to argue your corner when going to the GP if meds aren't helping. I was greatly helped by Acupunture, but that varies so from person to person, most women are helped a bit but not as much.
How are sweet drinks, like sips of flat coke or salty foods to nibble like crisps? Healthy eating has to go out of the window. Lots find jelly helpful, sucking ice cubes. I am glad your mother can look after you over Christmas and that DH is saintly.
Dinosaurs Poor poor you, hospital admission. You are at the peak time when women usually feel at their worst now, I think, with those pesky hormones going full tilt but the placenta not kicking in yet. Sad. It's awful they gave you more of the same meds when they obviously hadn't helped. Do keep an eye on that dehydration with those kesosticks, you are right, it makes you feel twice as bad.
TheOnly Oh, no, a four day migaine? Mine can last two days, and that practically kills me. No wonder it had to be Mum to the Rescue. I do have to say that after Hyperemesis mine got worse, particularly the vomiting, I thought that was just me, I get all the luck Xmas Shock. I hope it's jsut your body getting used to periods starting again, and that this is temporary.
Everyone Magnum is so right, list needs updating. Could anyone who feels up to it give their due date and I'll oblige?
Seapie Is nearer to due date than I realised. Did you want to start that Christmas avoidance thread or do you want me to start it if you feel weary? Magnum I'm so glad it is 'only' nausea in the mornings now.
How is Everyone I have rudely overlooked? Cyber hugs to anyone who feels like one.
Lucinda
xx

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Clandy · 11/12/2011 19:16

Hi tubtoes I was also very reluctant to take meds and stalled going to the docs for about 3 sick filled weeks and felt so awful the day I started taking them I felt loads better and wish I had just gone and got them sooner. Was rather funny when I went to doctor told him I had morning sickness ect he asked lots of questions then said could you be pregnant? Grin I said well I am definitely pregnant and he was rather embarrassed...!
I am same in hoping that it doesn't last too long with dd it lasted 16 weeks so hoping for similar and counting myself lucky that im not like some who are sick all the way through

Clandy · 11/12/2011 19:17

Oooh and sorry to hear you had to go to hospital dinosaur!! Sad hope your feeling better and getting lots of rest. Seems silly giving you the same meds though as obviously bot working for you

Cosmogirl · 11/12/2011 19:38

Hi ladies,

Sorry I have been MIA. I hope everyone is doing as well as can be under the circumstances. Well, I'm 5+1 today and nausea kicked in pretty badly today :-( Had moments where I've had to lie on the sofa and feel sorry for myself. Promised myself I wouldn't be like that this time :(

I'm still not sure what to do with regards meds. Thinking of making a GP appt tomorrow to discuss it further and find out if I can see a consultant Gynae at our small local hospital in the hopes he would prescribe Ondansetron. I figure if I am going take something I may as well ask for the one everyone says is the best.

Any advice ladies? Best to take the meds now? I just worry about this being a critical time for the baby developing etc...But that said, my DD is 2.9 and very high needs so I really can't be lying on the sofa all day when I am her full time carer. Sorry for the me post - I am a bit in shock at how quick it has hit this time.

seapie · 11/12/2011 19:39

I hate HG and I hate being pregnant. 33 weeks today and I've had almost constant nausea for the last week. Trying really hard not to start vomiting again as I know that once I start it's almost impossible to stop. So I managed just under a month of feeling relatively normal. Bet it's back for the rest of the pregnancy.

Plus I feel huge. I measured 36 weeks at 31 weeks. Apparently it's not fat it's uterus. Either I have a huge baby or loads of fluid in there. Midwife didn't seem bothered. She said 'Well, at least you're booked for a c-section already'.

Sorry LucindaE, but I'm don't think it was me who offered to start a new thread. I'm not sure I would know how to do it anyway!

Cosmogirl · 11/12/2011 19:46

Hi Seapie - sorry to hear you are feeling so low. It is totally understandable though. How is it that HG can have this amazing power to make you feel so utterly crap. I'm glad you've had some good moments too but a pregnancy with HG can feel like a life sentence at times. I think doing the one day at a time, and each day that is over is another day of pregnancy you never have to go through again, can help a little. Hugs x

horseynewmum · 11/12/2011 19:57

dinosaur sorry to hear you had to go in to hospital. i understand fully how feel so big cyber hugz.

Well i was a bit naughty today so you can smack my wrists i deserve it. I've been feeling ok today so i've done some light housework and 3 months filing. i'm now laid on sofa with uncomfortable lower back pain and feeling dizzy and nausea. in my defence I have suffered back pain for many years when my back is tired or overworked. DH has hit the roof at me telling me i need to rest. But on the other hand it does prove i'm not fit for work. Now going to lick my wounds. Xmas Smile

LucindaE · 12/12/2011 09:31

Cosmogirl Oh dear, I can imagine your disappointment. Xmas SadIt's set in early. Poor you, I think you should take the meds and try and catch it before it gets to the puking all the time stage, particularly as you have to look after a L/O. It's a good idea about making an appointment with a consultant, go for the best...
Horsey Poor you, I can so imagine your longing to get the mess cleared up, but D/H is right (they are occasionally!) and you should rest. Be a slattern, you are ill not malingering (what a wonderful word!)
Dinosaur I really feel Xmas Angry about them giving you the same meds. Is there any way of querying it, as it may be some error? It is so hard to query anything when one feels so bad...
Seapie Of course, it was SMA in a post just below yours who suggested starting up a seperate Christmas suffering and what to avoid thread, which seemed an excellent idea...So sorry you are still suffering, and it's such a shame your pregnancy's been so spoilt. Hugs. Not sure what meds you're on but a lot seem to find that even if the vomiting goes, the nausea lingers, which is miserable.
I wonder how Fleurlise Belladons and others are?
Tub How are you today?
Someone suggested updating list, I scrolled back nine pages to get the last, it does need updating. What are the new people's due dates?

Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD 23/12/11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
horseynewmum: EDD 24/5/12

Those are the only names left on the list...

Lucinda
xx

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MOH100 · 12/12/2011 11:22

pants, I posted a reply last night and it disappeared into a cyber black hole. The main thing I wanted to say was cosmo congrats on the pregnancy, but please get yourself to the doctors asap!!! The first rule of meds is get on them as early as you can. I think you'll be very lucky to find a doctor who'll prescribe ondansetron without first asking you to try an antihistamine, then something like stemetil. It's in their protocols, they have to give you the drugs with the longest safety record first - that's not to say that ondansetron isn't safe either, it's just that there's not so much data on it because it's a newer drug. You might find that the other drugs actually do some good if you take them early enough too. You could also try taking large doses of vitamin B6, I need to ask someone about what the dose is and get back to you, it's more than it says on the bottle anyway. I know someone who tried this recently and said it helped. Also I would line up a consultant's appointment as soon as possible too, with Christmas coming you might not get one till after new year if you wait much longer.

MOH100 · 12/12/2011 11:36

cosmo got the prescription for pre-emptive treatment to try as soon as you can - this goes for anyone in the early stages. Take vitamin B6 (10mg x 3) per day along with cyclizine (50mg x 3) or promethazine (25mg x 3) per day. This is the formula for a drug called Diclectin which is available in Canada. Both cyclizine and promethazine are antihistamines and are considered to be competely safe in the first trimester. (The American College of Obs/Gynae has them in a safety category in which there is more evidence of their safety in pregnancy than there is for ginger.) The woman I spoke to tried vitamin B6 in a previous pregnancy but wasn't taking enough of it so it didn't do much good, this time she used the above prescription and said it made a huge difference.

needinstructions · 12/12/2011 12:11

Hi all, I haven't posted on this thread before but have found it enormously helpful and supportive. I have been signed off work for a few weeks with HG (from week 7-10) and tried prochlormezine which didn't work at all, then cyclizine which I think is helping. As many of you have said, it took a good few days to kick in, but knowing this in advance made me hang on in there and I can now keep most food down, even though I still feel very nauseous, and am only sick a couple of times a day.

I feel a bit of a fraud when I hear how much worse many of you are feeling. I only had a couple of weeks when I really couldn't do anything other than lie in bed and be sick but I felt so miserable, lonely and as if I was failing my two kids because I couldn't look after them properly and was just shunting them off to childcare all day. I thought DH understood and he was being very sympathetic and helpful, but he decided it was all too much at the weekend and that I have been taking the piss. Basically he has noted that I have done some stuff with DD (not his bio child) but not DS, so thinks I am playing favourites with my children. I have felt bad enough about this as it is, but realistically, a 5yr old is much easier to deal with than an 18 month old with pooey nappies. Plus there are days when I just don't have childcare for the older one and just have to get on with it. I certainly don't find it easy or enjoyable, but just do my best.

Feel utterly devastated now. I know I won't get any more help or support from him and will be criticised for everything I do. My mum isn't in the country and I have no other family close enough to help either. Guess it's not going to be the happiest of Christmasses...

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