Early scan, gestational sac and yolk sac but no fetus yet

[Coconutfeet]

This is my fifth pregnancy, I have one dc.

I'm 7+5 based on my lmp, although I chart and know that I ovulated around cd 18 which would make me 7+1, I think.

Because I have a history of miscarriage I had an early scan today. They saw a gestational sac and a yolk sac but no fetus yet. They are going to rescan me in 2 weeks. They've told me to try and relax and that everything is in line with a very early pregnancy. But although I know it's early, I'm in a complete state. I'm pretty sure with ds I had a scan at around 7+6 and we saw a heartbeat.

I know no-one can tell me how my pregnancy is going to go but I'd be interested to hear from anyone who had a similar experience and to know how it turned out - good or bad.

hi Belgina , so sorry to read your news. I agree call them and go for another scan if you can .

I am getting back into life again , although a friend said to me tonight I had a lucky miss, when her kids were being cheeky. Not meant to hurt , but still . Bought a fertility monitor today but I feel guilty having sex.

Love to you all x

Thanks everyone. I'll definitely give them a call in the morning.

Glad to hear everyone is doing well :)

belgina - here is a link to the leaflet which mentions asking for another scan if you are not sure (halfway down page 5).

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Hope they are sympathetic. Let us know how you get on.

jellytart - so sorry you have been through this before and so late on too. I'm glad you have a good friend to talk to about it. I guess your Mum just wants to protect you.

Nell - can't believe your friend said that I think people just don't know what to say sometimes but still . I'm sorry you feel guilty - is it guilty about the thinking about ttc again bit of it? No-one ever tells you about the range of emotions attached to mc. But you have nothing to feel guilty about, honestly.

Hi everyone

Think I'm a bit late joining this thread, but its been reassuring to know that others have been through this awful wait.

I went for an early scan on Tues cos I'm diabetic. Date of my last period put me at 6+4 but I know my cycle is longer so reckon I could have been 5+6. No heartbeat via vaginal scan and consultant who did the scan said pregnancy doesn't look viable at the moment but have to go back next Tues so we can 'decide what to do'. He wrote in my notes that it could be due to early gestation or delayed miscarriage but he seemed pretty convinced I've miscarried.

I saw my diabetes midwife after the scan and she said that it happens to loads of women that she sees because they scan diabetics so early and I shouldn't worry but I saw what they wrote in my notes and it said my gestational sac is 22mm which is way too big for this stage and I googled it (damn you google) and a sac of greater than 20mm is one of the criteria for a missed miscarriage. I reckon they just won't confirm it because I'm not far along enough. But I do feel as if the scan next week is nothing more than a formality.

Now its just awful because I still have symptoms, especially nausea and extreme fatigue and I just want it to be over with one way or another so I can start to get over it if thats what I have to do.

I didn't go into work on Weds or Thurs cos I just felt all panicky and I couldn't concentrate, DH stayed at home with me and we just kept talking and I felt okay about it. I'm at work today but I'm so worried about having to take more time off if I have miscarried. Is it normal to take time off or do people just carry on as normal? I'm scared about having to make the decision about whether to let it happen naturally or have the operation. If its natural is it much worse than a period? Does it hurt?

Sorry for just ranting on but feel better for just letting it all out :)

Hello Mrs. The waiting is just a nightmare isn't it?! Did you have any blood tests to moniter your hcg levels? As for taking time off work,of course you must do what is right for you. Some people find keeping busy helps? I'm lucky to be a "housewife",so didn't have to make that decision. I'm so glad that your DH is being supportive :) I mcd in January at approx 6+4,it was just like having a heavy period,with period like cramps and a few clots (sorry tmi). I hope that helps? Let us know how you get on,we're all here if you need to chat/rant/whatever. Take it easy x

Oh,artifarti,losing my little boy at 20+5 was the most devastating experience I have ever been through. I think that is why when I mc last month at an early stage,I was able to "cope" better. Am keeping myself busy so I don't have time to dwell on things. I've stopped googling and that has helped too. How's everyone else?

Hello MrsCLH - sorry you have to join us here but you are welcome. The wait is hideous. With my DS they only found a sac at 6+3 (although by my dates, more like 5+6 or 6) but I can't remember how big it was. So it can work out. I think a lot of people take time off work after a mc. I have been off work all January because my CM had an op, so that has made things easier for me in that respect. But you must do what is right for you; I am usually quite anxious about keeping on the right side of work but at times like this I tend to think 'bugger them'. It is all about you and your family and what your needs are. (Of course, I don't know what your work are like!) And don't feel you have to rush into making any decisions about what to do if it gets t that point. I ended up having an ERPC and it was physically fine but still think I would have taken some time off work to get my heads together.

jelly - I really can't begin to imagine how devastating. Glad you are coping okay and yes - it's good to leave Dr Google behind!

Visited my friend this morning who has a six week old, gorgeous little thing. Funnily enough, didn't make me feel sad or jealous, just hopeful.

Hope you are all okay.

Thanks so much everyone, I think I can cope with a heavy period and cramps, I think its more the waiting for it to happen and dreading the start of it that I can't bear.

My work are amazing, I know they will be fab about it if it comes to it.

I somehow just can't believe I'm facing this possibility, I think someone else said that stuff like this always happens to 'someone else' and I know what they meant. We all know the statistics and I know it happens to a lot of women but what can you do but believe that it will all be okay.

What's making it doubly bad is that my sister is 13 weeks pregnant with her second and had her scan last week - all fine. And I feel like its really bad but all I can feel at the moment is jealousy. She doesn't even know I'm pregnant yet, I don't how I'm going to tell her.

My parents don't know I'm pregnant either and I'm dreading coming out with this news. I don't know whether to wait until Tues when I have a definite answer but I'm going round there tmrw morning, I go every Saturday morning, so I either have to make up an excuse why I can't go, go round and pretend to be normal or go round and tell the truth. And I just don't think I can turn up there tomorrow morning and come out with it. Maybe I would be better just calling tonight and telling my mum and then I can stop being anxious about it.

And to top it off I'm supposed to be going round to meet my cousin's newborn baby on Tues with my mum and that's the day of my scan so if I don't tell my mum what's going on I have to lie about why I can't do that either. I know that in the grand scheme of things this is all small stuff but its all just making me so anxious!

MrsCLH - If you are close to your mum, I would ring and tell her what is happening. She can then support you and tell other people if that's easier/what you want. You're right, you don't need this extra anxiety at the moment. That's good that your work are supportive - take advantage of that if you need to and give yourself all the time and space you need.

jelly. Such a late misc must have been utterly devastating. I can see why you found it easier this time. Still, it's no less sad. Have you told your mum that you find her silence re your little boy more upsetting than if she were to talk about it. On the other hand, maybe silence is her own way of coping?

mrsCLH. Will they rescan you next Tues? Compared to our experiences here, it sounds like they made their decision quite quickly. I know most of us had to wait 2 weeks for a rescan. I hope you manage to keep yourself sane in the next few days. Keep away from Dr Google though.

I called EPAC today. They were understanding and the ERPC for now and have booked me in for another scan instead. Seeing that the scan is done by a colleague I do feel very silly. Now I know what it is when they say that it's the little things they say that stick in your mind. On my 1st scan they said they saw a small implantation bleed and on the last one they said it was a big one, bigger than the gestational sack. So in my mind of course I can't let it go. Maybe all it's energy went into implanting and the growing is just starting now. Clutching at straws, I know. I'm really surprised at my own reaction, as I'm normal one of those sensible rational people...

belgina yes they will rescan me next Tues. And to be honest it could be me overreacting but the consultant seemed so negative. He didn't say it was definitely a miscarriage, and he did say that it could be due to early gestation. But I looked up miscarriage criteria and it said gestational sac greater than 20mm coupled with no fetal heartbeat = possible missed miscarriage and that's me. Those two things coupled with 7 weeks gestation and they would definitely diagnose a miscarriage. And it was just the way he said that next Tues we will be able to 'decide what to do' and there wouldn't be any decision to make if I hadn't miscarried. My only hope is if it was too early and they find a FH on Tues.

My diabetes midwife was more positive, she even said that another woman in the clinic had the same result as me that very afternoon but I just don't think she understood the significance of the 22mm, either that or she hadn't read the note properly.

I think I would still have some hope if I hadn't started googling. But I think I'd just rather be prepared for the worst. That way, if I get the worst on Tues I'll already have started to deal with it if you know what I mean.

I'm definitely ringing my mum when I get home from work. She's already sent me a text asking me what time I'm going round in the morning. I'm sure I'll feel better once I've told her.

this thread is giving me hope.

I had a scan at six weeks today (have had an ectopic and a missed mc last year).

They could see a 'sac like' thing, but no yolk and no fetus, have told me they are not writing me off as unviable, as I could be less pregnant than we think (although dates wouldn't really back that up).

HCG has gone from 1307 on 26th Jan to 5372 today, so that's within 'normal range' according to the charts I've seen but doesn't quite fit with the 66% rise expected every 48 hours, and they are going to retest bloods Sunday or Monday.

Gah, it's hard waiting to find out what's happening.

oh forgot to add : mean sac diameter 7.4mm don't know if that's normal for six weeks or not.

belgina - so glad they have agreed to rescan you. You are not being silly. This is such an important thing that you need to be absolutely sure in your own mind if you need to make a decision. Are they scanning on Monday?

Mrs - " possible missed miscarriage" doesn't mean definite, try and keep that in mind, hard I know. Dr Google is not your friend in a situation like this! But I have been as guilty as anyone of consulting him, so I can't talk. I'm sorry you have this horrible wait until Tuesday and hope you have some people to be nice to you this weekend. There seems to be such huge variation in what is/isn't apparent on scans at such an early stage.

hairyfairylights - sorry you are in this situation but welcome (and sorry you had such a crap year last year). I wish I could tell you what will happen - I have had a good experience at a similar early scan to yours (DS, currently painting a picture of Thomas opposite me) and a bad experience (hence why I am on this thread). That is why this wait is so excrutiating, the not knowing. Are they going to scan you again?

Thanks artifarti - sorry for your loss, but good to hear you have a DS from a similar scenario.

They said depending on the HCG result they will rescan in two weeks (so if I don't miscarry I'm guessing they'll scan again)

Belgina - It very good that they've agreed to rescan you. You would never have been able to let it go if you'd gone ahead with the ERPC without having another scan. It must be strange being dealt with by work colleagues at a time like this.

Jelly - So sorry to hear about your loss at such an advanced stage (and your more recent one too obviously). A truly awful thing to have to deal with.

Mrs - I hope it won't come to that for you but I had a natural mc at around 6 weeks last year and it was quite manageable physically. It was like a very heavy period and slightly uncomfortable but I look painkillers and it was OK. I kept working through it all but I think that's a very personal decision.

Hairy - The wait is awful isn't it. From what I've been told, pregnancies develop at such different rates that it's difficult to tell at such an early stage. They have to wait until the sac is above a certain size before they can diagnose a MC. Also, you may have ovulated/implanted late. Have they said they are going to rescan you, or are they just going on bloods?

They said first stepnis bloods and I hav to call tomorrow to see about repeat bloods, and then probably a scan in two weeks.

Thanks again everyone.

You are right coconutfeet. I would not have been able to let it go if I went ahead without another scan. Funny how even mws can get all funny over all this. Goes to show that knowledge alone doesnt prepare you for this sort of thing.
I was also told they couldn't diagnose a mc until the sack is over 20mm. My sack was 11mm, but as it was the same size 2 weeks before they said that they would call it a misc, despite the size. Again. Another reason why I suddenly got these worries.

MrsCLH There's still hope. Keep hope. Like Coconutfeet said: development at this stage is so variable; yours might be one of the slower ones. We had orangegloss on here who had just that, so there is hope :)

hairy Welcome and I hope that your next scan will be good news too.

In fact there's a MN friend I've got who was on my AN thread who had just this happen and she's got a healthy ds now. Her scan also didn't match her dates etc...

Oddly enough, my symptoms have got worse again after dissapearing for a few days after my scan

Hi everyone, Sorry I've been away, been trying to stay off forums and google until my scan today. My scan was good news they saw a fetus and a heart beat but my scan dates don't match my actual dates, in fact the scan dates put me 2 weeks less than what I should be. The technician did say that the pregnancy can catch up with the dates, but not every fetus grows at the same rate so everyone is different!

Oh Bella, that's fantastic news, congratulations!

Congratulations Bella, great news. Now relax!

Oh, wow, such great news bella. It must be such a relief for you! I hope you can enjoy the rest of your pregnancy now :)

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it. Will be our first. Hope everything continues to go well, and for all you too. Baby dust for everyone!!! Also to conceive I did use clearblue fertility monitor. I saw Nell mention she bought one, it really helped and u can get them quite cheap second hand off ebay (totally sanitary). I'll keep checking in with you all. Good luck and keep your chin up!

Congratulations bella I hope you can now enjoy the rest of your pregnancy! :o