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Wow; it's only circumcision..

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Chloejp91 · 29/12/2010 22:11

Before I get killed, I'm not suggesting it is only circumsion, that's just the title of this thread.

I'm due in less than 4 weeks and I'm having a boy. I'm definitely going to circumcise him. It's part of my culture and my partner's culture so it's going to be done. I just feel sad that it's seen as such a bad thing, where there are some benefits to it.

Anyone circumsised/circumsizing their sons?

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:18

"you are abusing your son if you do this. no doubt about that. all in the name of fitting in." abusing my son? I don't think you can compare circumcision to that.

So how about the people that do it for medical reasons? Is that abuse? Cause it's still circumcision whether it's wanted or not? Oh..! No well excuse them, they're just 'unfortunate'.. Please

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:19

melezka no I haven't, what is is about?

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ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 30/12/2010 01:20

you are doing it for your own selfish reasons. people taht get it done for medical reasons do so to prevent further suffering and pain. you are doing it for no reason at all except that you want to be like all the others. sick and abusive.

GenevieveHawkings · 30/12/2010 01:20

Chloejp91, why does it make you feel better that you won't be "inflicting" the procedure in the video on your son? You'll nevertheless still be inflicting a good deal of totally unnecessary pain and suffering on your innocent unconsenting child, thereby totally abusing his body and human rights.

Why on earth would any decent mother or human being set out to do that?!!!

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:23

GenevieveHawkings I'm still lookin through it and one thing suprised me, the fact that it's done to curb masturbation.. I had no idea. It's odd to note that the people I know that have been circumcised including my OH never masturbated really. Interesting.. I'll continue looking through.

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GenevieveHawkings · 30/12/2010 01:23

There is absoltuely no analogy to be drawn between ritual genital mutilation and medically necessary circumcision so forget that one ChloeJP.

If you love and care for your baby and want to protect him from harm and suffering have the guts to stand with the enlightened Jews in the link I provided you with and say no to this ritual child abuse.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 30/12/2010 01:24

why would you want to curb masturbation? Confused

and hahaha at your husband never masturbating!!

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:26

"you are doing it for your own selfish reasons. people taht get it done for medical reasons do so to prevent further suffering and pain. you are doing it for no reason at all except that you want to be like all the others. sick and abusive." harsh words.

Even if I did wait genevie untill he's older and he went ahead and did so, the pain would be too much and I'd feel guilty for not doing it earlier.

About the masturbation thing. That's not really something I'd think "oo what if my son wants to masturbate? I'll leave him uncut". The bought wouldn't cross my mind.

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:27

Haha at my husband never masturbating.. Grow up.

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GenevieveHawkings · 30/12/2010 01:27

A glimmer of hope ChloeJP.

Please, please spend time reading that link and giving full consideration to what you read there.

It's only if Jews like you and the ones who have set up that organisation stand against the hideous abusive practice that is male circumcision that the indoctrination that gives rise to it being perpetuated will be stamped out.

If you can see female genital mutilation as bad then there is some hope that given time you will eventually wake up and see male circumcision as the vile and totally unacceptable abuse that it is too.

melezka · 30/12/2010 01:30

Well it's a kind of sequel to The Colour Purple and follows the characters who go to Africa in that book. As African Americans they search for their place in the tribal society in which they find themselves. Kind of the place of their origin but they don't quite belong there. Tasha, the main character, decides to undergo circumcision for what can be seen as cultural reasons, ie being keen/desperate to align herself with a culture of choice. The novel (and it is a novel, which makes it both more and less relevant with regards to this debate) follows the consequences of her decision.

Alice Walker is a particularly brilliant author. My sister and I were both devastated by this book - it really forced us to reevaluate our beliefs on all kinds of levels.

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:30

I will read it all, I'll have a look through the website and all the other links posted. I'll keepam open mind on it and share with my OH. but at the moment I'm still swayed towards doing it but that won't stop me looking and understanding different points of views on it.

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GenevieveHawkings · 30/12/2010 01:30

I can't get my head around not feeling guity for inflicting pain and suffering on your baby son who can't yet articulate his feelings but feeling guilty for doing the same to an older child who is capable of doing so!

Please ChloeJP, tell me what sort of fucked up logic is behind that!

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:32

melezka I loved the colour purple, I studied it for my A-levels two years ago. I'll look into it and see if I can borrow it from the library.

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ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 30/12/2010 01:33

"Haha at my husband never masturbating.. Grow up."

i was laughing that you actually believe he never masturbates. you really are naive.

GenevieveHawkings · 30/12/2010 01:34

ChloeJP if you're Jewish the chances are that you fully buy into all the patriarchal shite that the religion pedles so your partner will probably call the shots anyway and if he wants it done, it's gonna happen.

Religion really is a crock of shite for a number of reasons - and most especially when it advocates ritual child abuse.

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:34

GenevieveHawkings I think it's because I feel that babies don't suffer as long as an adult would? That's probably why I'd feel guilty. Seems mad reading what you said, I know. I stopped and thought for a second there.

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melezka · 30/12/2010 01:36

Chloe you are doing really well to stay open to the opinions of others on this thread. Sometimes people can close down in the face of very strongly voiced opinions and it is good that you are still listening. Shows you are strong.

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:37

GenevieveHawkings I'm sorry I should've mentioned, I'm not Jewish. My OH is Nigerian of the Yoruba tribe and I'm Malawian and Kenyan of the Ngoni and Luo tribe. But I've been brought up in the UK since I was 6 so can't really claim my African roots as strongly as my partner can who's only been here for three years due to University.

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ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 30/12/2010 01:37

chloe you say your religion believe the foreskin protects teh penis inside teh womd and then is no longer neede. well if you are considering this operation why haven't you done the research to find out if that is actually true? surely you wouldn't have an operation before finding out exactly why it is necessary and what teh rsiks and long term effects are.

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:39

melezka thanks, it's mostly cause I know it's a sensitive topic and I'd just like to understand other people's opinions as well as help other people understand my reasons in doing so.

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KickArseQueen · 30/12/2010 01:40

Chloe if someone had to have their leg chopped off for medical reasons that would be very different to someone wanting to have their babies leg chopped off for fun. Hmm

Stop and think a bit more Chloe, babies are incredibly sensitive.

To me circumcision is a sexual assault.

Exactly what do you think the procedure you are planning entails?

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:42

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo firstly I failed to mention it has nothing to do with religion. I'm sorry about that, I'm Christian not Jewish and my partner is Christian too.

I've explained above that were from African tribes that carry out this practice. It's not for religious purposes. But I was planning on going to a rabbi to do it, which probably caused confusion.

I will reserach more into it cause a lot of what has been said is openin my eyes.

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GenevieveHawkings · 30/12/2010 01:42

Same still applies ChloeJP. If your DP is African and only relatively recently arrived in the UK he will be very patriarchal and expect women to defer to men (but I guess you already know that). If you're in a relationship with him, and are starting a family with him, you'll have more or less already signed up to be subserviant and allow him to dictate major decisions because that's just what women do in his culture.

My guess is that your poor baby will have his genitals ritually mutilated, despite what you might read about how vile, unnecessary and barbarous the practice of circumcision is. Sad

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Chloejp91 · 30/12/2010 01:45

KickArseQueen I am not in anyway circumcising my son for 'fun'. Please do not have that idea cause it certainly is not for fun.

I'm reseraching more on the procedure itself. Ive never really had to think about it untill now, or finding out that I was having a boy. I only know what I've been told. So I am indeed going to find out for myself by researching a little further.

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