Wow; it's only circumcision..

[Chloejp91]

Before I get killed, I'm not suggesting it is only circumsion, that's just the title of this thread.

I'm due in less than 4 weeks and I'm having a boy. I'm definitely going to circumcise him. It's part of my culture and my partner's culture so it's going to be done. I just feel sad that it's seen as such a bad thing, where there are some benefits to it.

Anyone circumsised/circumsizing their sons?

Gah. You're right. I'm glad that at least the cultural shite associated with female circumcision has (rightly) been regarded as less important than a girl's right to not have elective surgery performed on her without her permission.

Do you know what I would like to do? I would like to see that circumcision video played immediately after all the popular soaps.

There would be outrage.

People are aware of circumsision, they just don't like to think about the ins and outs....

Genevieve, it's not the "PC brigade". It's the believers of the religions who reckon their god told them to cut chunks off their boys.

You're right, of course. It was just a wistful day-dream on my part.

i agree beertricks on both points. MN wouldn't do it and even if they did it wouldn't have any effect.

How did the law get changed/implemented for female circ??

I've read some of the links posted. I chose not to watch the video discused cause I admit I will feel cruel if it's as bad as said. but that will not be the procedure I'm going for. I'm going to a rabbi who'll do it for me so I won't be sticking anything anywhere to cut of blood supply and what not.

I can see that circumcision can have it's disadvantages, I've read them and take them on board, however, I still see there being som benefits to doing it.

You simply cannot say "how would you like it if someone cut your nipple off?" I know this will anger some people but foreskin and nipples are completely different things. You don't really need foreskin but you need a nipple.

My partner is circumcised and he says he's glad his parents had him cut. I'm not a man but if he says he's happy with it then I'll take his word for it.

It's a decision I'm taking and I doubt my son in the future will hate me for it cause to be honest he won't know any better.

I also got annoyed at the whole 'abuse' angle. What abuse? You cannot compare his procedure to child abuse?! How does that work out surely? It's not infliction of ongoing physical and mental pain. So I don't think I'll accept that I'm afraid.

'feel sorry for your child'. Why is that? And he comment about what goes on behind closed doors. That's extreme too. He'll be loved by both his parents.

Snorbs, when I said the "PC brigade" I was referring to the people who are afraid of upsetting and offending "the believers of the religions who reckon their god told them to cut chunks off their boys" and fear a backlash from them.

MN Towers can count themselves among them if they would be afraid of losing such members.

The site would be a far better place if it was rid of people who advocate and practice ritual child abuse IMHO.

Foreskins are quite useful. They evolved for a reason.

More to the point, why can't you let your son decide for himself when he's old enough to make an informed decision? It's his penis, after all.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo I see.

In my culture, foreskin is seen as something that protects the penis in the womb and one the baby is born it is not needed as it can cause problems. It's seen as a protective barrier in the womb so deemed 'useless' once the baby is born.

Just to add female cirumcision is not done in my culture.

Would I still do it? Of course I would because like I said I can see that having it done brings some benefits.

i am actually getting angry at how naive you are choosing to remain chloe with all this information available to you.

you are doing this for your own selfish reasons so you fit in with your community and to hell with the pain and trauma you are causing to your child.

"In my culture, foreskin is seen as something that protects the penis in the womb and one the baby is born it is not needed as it can cause problems. It's seen as a protective barrier in the womb so deemed 'useless' once the baby is born."

do you mean like an umbilical cord has no further use and then falls off????

and what evidence is tehre that it is used to protect in teh womb? and what is it protecting against in teh womb? and if it is no longer needed then why wouldn't it fall off naturally?

Chloejp91 do yourself a favour and have a look at this link.

www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

In the 21st century more enlightened Jews are turning against this barbarous ritual abuse.

"Of course I would because like I said I can see that having it done brings some benefits"

what benefits, considering that all the ones you have listed have been discredited here because they can all be prevented by good hygiene and safe sex.

Fit in with my community? Are you kidding me? I know it's painul I never said it'll be all roses, kisses and hugs?

Be angry with me. It's not going to make me change my mind. I'm not doing it just because either.

What trauma? My OH doesn't remember a thing. Neither do any of my family members or his. Don't make it out to be something it's not. It's painful yes but traumatic? I doubt it

Chloe, I can and will compare this to child abuse.

I also think you are a coward, putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes to the truth that you are going to cause extreme pain, suffering and trauma to your baby.

If you don't have the guts to watch that video, then you shouldn't have the right to inflict it on your son.

"You cannot compare his procedure to child abuse?! How does that work out surely? It's not infliction of ongoing physical and mental pain. So I don't think I'll accept that I'm afraid."

By that standard you would consider it ok to let someone sexually asault your baby as a one off would you???

I'm going to look further in to this to find out if anyone is trying to change the law, and then I'm going to back them to the hilt. If I come up with anything I'll post it on here, If anyone else finds anything feel free to cat me.

Oh and nipples are only needed for breastfeeding, millions of women don't use them for that so whats the diff??? Oh and far fewer nerve endings in a nipple btw.

GenevieveHawkings thanks I'll have a look at that link.

"Fit in with my community? Are you kidding me?"

no i am totally serious, you have said you are doing it because it is part of your culture, that is you choosing to do it jsut to fit in with your community.

"What trauma? "

you seriously think cutting off an extremely sensitive part of his body without any pain relief won't be traumatic for him?

you are abusing your son if you do this. no doubt about that. all in the name of fitting in.

"By that standard you would consider it ok to let someone sexually asault your baby as a one off would you???" sexual assualt and circumcison are two different things! Of course I wouldn't consider it okay, who in the right mind would?

I'll watch the video but the fact still remains that that is not the procedure I'll be 'inflicting' on my son.

Chloejp91 do yourself a favour and have a look at this link.

www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

I'm going to keep on posting that link until you acknowledge it.

Chloe have you read Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker?

Sorry ChloeJP, just noticed that you said you would.

These are Jews telling you why it's barbarous and unneccessary so perhaps you'll take it from them?