May 2010: All the babies have arrived, welcome to the other side!

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Here we are ladies, a new Postnatal thread! I wonder if we'll fill this one up as fast with one-handed typing?!

schipo, i too have postnatal spd, no-one seems able to give me any advice about it, have you had any worth listening to?

virginia is also having her jabs next week, wednesday

last night she went to bed at 7.30 woke at 11.30, 1,2.15, 3, 3.30, 4.15, 5, 5.20 she then went to sleep, phew, but DH started snoring! aagh, so i got up and used my rower for 10 mins, forgot how hard it can be. then went for shower, got out to discover DH and DD playing together, she had woken at 6.10!

newmomma, i hope things start to improve for you very soon. would it be helpful or unhelpful if you started a written log of when baby cries, how long for and if anything happened just before crying started, you may just spot a pattern that could be broken. or tell me to shut up and mind my own. as for the rash (it was you who said about bumby skin wasnt it?) is your baby possibly reacting to the type of fabric being worn or the laundry liquid you use?

i have spd too, i found, just by trial and error, that walking helps, not at that point, but i go for a walk about 2 h, lay in the bad for at least 1/2h and the next day a feel a bit better, by now is practically gone... worth a try?

ah, and still asleep from those two feeds from earlier...

lay in the bath, not the bad, doh!, it is all the excitement from my sucessful feeds that i can't write properly

Morning all. Will have a proper catch up and personals later. Have had a couple of tough nights this week although last night was great. Glad the jelonet arrived -hope it helps. Welcome back newmomma. I'm fighting pnd and anxiety and have been on here talking about all manner of stuff. We are a community and that means we support each other through good and bad.

Hi all, so sorry I've not been on much recently but I am reading all the posts as and when I can.

We've had a busy few weeks since coming back from Centre Parcs. Grace had her injections and reacted really badly, we had two days of vomiting yellow bile and she didn't poo for 5 days! I was pretty stressed and contacted the hospital though they were pretty confident it was a reaction to the immunisation. I think they were right but it seems to have sent her bowel into shock and it just took a while to return to normal, thankfully we're now back on track and pooing 1-2 times a day.

I have also began potty training dd1 again, first time was not very successful but this time is going much better. In two days we've had one poo on the potty, lots of wees, three accidents (mainly when she's distracted) and two dry nights .

I don't know how all of you with more than one find the time to post so regularly. If dd1 doesn't need me or want to play Grace needs feeding or cuddling. Unlike dd1, Grace doesn't tend to like sitting in her chair or play mat for any length of time. It gets worse as the day goes on too as she doesn't really sleep properly through the day and just wants to be held the more tired she gets. Can't complain though as she still sleeps through from 10pm till 6am.

Grace isn't putting on much weight, she's put on 5 oz in the last 3 weeks making her 8lb3oz at 9 weeks. She's put on 2lb from her lowest weight one week after she was born. Should I be worried or just happy that she's putting on weight even though it's not much? I know I've mentioned this before but not sure whether I should be contacting her consultant or not?

Sorry for the me post, I will now read back through the last few pages and try to catch up properly.

Oh,thanks for the kind messages too, Grace's scan went well and her kidneys and spine all appear normal.

ML - the bridal henna looks gorgeous, your very talented, and that's with little sleep.

WLTK - have to agree with Dancing, my hv is wonderful and really down to earth and realistic. She's been a big source of reassurance regarding Grace's bowel and has put me in contact with loads of bf support workers and groups. Hope the relationship with yours improves as Oscar gets older. Glad to see your still persevering with bf, I think that's amazing considering all the problems you've encountered.

Newmomma - I haven't read your Parenting thread yet but I'll find it after this. I have to agree with everyone else who has said that MN is brilliant at supporting you when your down and providing loads of practical and emotional advice. We've all had our low points, feel free to spill on here, that's what the thread is for.

KJ - nice to hear from you

Pigley - your dd1 sounds similar to mine, full of cheeky remarks and funny faces. DD1 has taken to standing up and facing her potty 'like daddy', she thinks it hilarious, just hope she doesn't see it through.

first1 - hope Chloe's jabs went ok.

Sassles - nice to hear from you too, the smiles are great aren't they.

Schipo/homebirth - sorry to hear about the post natal spd, rubbish

Molly - sorry your having a tough time, despite the tough nights I hope things are improving and your feeling better.

Have any of you done the Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale test?? Just done it online and got a score of 5, but what does that score mean?! Pretty sure I don't have PND but would be nice to know what the result means!

first1 just had a look at the test and it seems to be saying that anything over 10 means that there is a strong possibility of PND so with a score of 5 you should be fine.

A friend from my antenatal group from when I had DD1 recently admitted to us all that she got diagnosed with PND when our DDs were about 5 months old; she'd been too embarrassed to say anything at the time and has only now started telling people (our DDs are now 16 months). She didn't think it was PND at first as she wasn't crying/feeling depressed - hers manifested itself as massive insecurity/inability to sleep/concern that something really bad was going to happen to her DD. She's through it now though and is even starting to think about having another one.

All well here; been to soft play this morning so DD1 is now exhausted and in bed so I suppose I should get on with something.

As for meeting up, I like the sound of the British Museum, having never been there, but I'm not sure how easy I'll find it to get there with 2 of them on public transport...we'll see how brave I'm feeling nearer the time!

Yes 5 is fine. My score was constantly about 16 with ds. It was 11 when I last checked. Should check again but am feeling ok today. Have a friend coming over in an hour so shouldn't be on mn at all. Must di the hoovering.

Heffa- Gotta love Cake! My DD keeps singing Happy Birthday to herself too

Dancing- Have a great holiday.

for those suffering with SPD.

Hollyoaks- Poor Grace, glad shes better now.
re weight. I think as she is putting on weight then thats fine. Some babies are just meant to be diddy. My DD1 was always on the 2nd centile. She would eat like a horse but just never seem to put on my weight. Perfectly healthy though.

Hollyoaks- Yeah.. definately cheeky!

Carikube- Im the same about the 2 on public transport.I dont have a double buggy either so can just see DD1 jumping on atrain without me and disappearing somehwere or refusing to get off the tube, the doors shutting and her having her own adventure! Trains and tubes scare me the best of times

Lucy has been such a cutey this morning. We did the weekly shop in Sainsburys where she was wide awake and smiling at all the old dears who where cooing over her. And at lunchtime DD and I ate lunch whilst Lucy happily played on her playmat for about 45 minutes! She absolutely loves her playgym and laid there 'chatting' to the hanging toys. Soo cute

hi all Jacob sleeping, other 3 messing up playing nicely

pigley/heffa - oh yes the singing Happy Birthday is so funny, I was brought a pig on a book yesterday as a cake and had to sing Happy Birthday about 20 times and blow out the "candle" it's worse here as we had 3 birthdays in 6 days.

first1 - my Edinburgh score has gone from 11 to 16! depends on when I do it. I have anxiety and it is worse just after I have had a baby, it's an irrational fear of something bad happening especially to the DC, I am also not happy until DP's car is in the drive at night in case something happens to him on the way home from work. The HV when seeing my score was very dismissive saying "of course you are anxious you have 4 DC and about to start building work!" which means there is nothing we can do for you.

Coram's Fields was where I had my first MN meet too was pouring with rain

hollyoaks - great news about Grace's scan. Like pigley says some children are just meant to be small, as long as she is gaining something each week that's enough, DD1 followed the 9th centile more or less for ever. DD2 caught down i.e. started on the 91st centile then through time came down to about the 50th. Thanks to MN and kellymom I kind of knew this was OK (and never really taking her to be weighed either). brave woman on the potty training not attempting that one yet, am hoping that waiting until after Christmas will mean she is really ready and it will be stress free.

SPD - I still have twinges now and again especially if I do a lot of walking but it is nothing compared to what is was so cannot moan about it, I should be doing more strengthening exercises, am horrendously unfit. I would ask for a referral to a physiotherapist as it could be a case of misaligned pelvic ligaments.

homebirthmummy - sorry you had a rough night, hopefully today will be better

newmomma - have spoken to you on your other thread but again nothing that you are saying doesn't seem abnormal to me. Don't think you are a bad Mummy or could be doing anymore, sounds like normal newborn behaviour to me, sorry that doesn't help but keep in your mind it does gets better.

Jacob been sleeping a few hours now have pumped off about 5ozs as was getting sore, will try and give him it tonight

carikube/pigley - I'm soo up for the British Museum! Never been, which is pretty shameful being that I've lived in and around Greater London all my life . Tube and pram hmm, thats an adventure by itself! Hopefully others will be keen for that plan too, otherwise I'm open to anything really.

Just to say I probably won't be around much for now. Things have gone from bad to worse here. Just found out this morning that my H has been having an affair for the past year. Devastated doesn't even cover it. I am very confused and angry.

Sorry no personals.

Hope you are all well x x x

Angel so so sorry to hear your news and completely understandable that RL is going to take over for a while. Hope H gives you the answers you need. Do come here though if you need to rant/get things off your chest as we will all be willing to listen.

Sending you very unMN

just caught the thread again. find it hard to keep up, dd1 been in hospital for an op, am potty training ds but his progress is going backwards so have decided to stop. I think it is an attention thing.
We are confined to the house to stop dd1 getting any infection so may have more time.....

dd2 is not doing much sleeping, day or night. no routine really either as i have had that much going on, dd2 has just had to fit in.
dh and I are like ships in the night - feel like I barely know him at the moment. We are all going away for a few days in August, so I hope we can "re-connect" a bit. I think someone mentioned dtd - chance would be good, but poor dh has been on a no sex diet for a long time. Does anyone else feel the same?

right, must go and break up the fighting...

angel - sorry just saw your post. sorry to hear your news. As carikube says, we are here if you need us.

angel so sorry to hear your news. My (d)H told me he didnt love me 4 days before I gave birth - ar$£h0le. Now going through a divorce. Stressed doesnt even cover it. We're all here for each other, please stop by now and again and let us know how you are.

Ladies...Am watching a Bugaboo Frog on ebay, sale closes at 8pm. Includes: chassis, bassinet, footmuff, fleece, parasol, raincover and manual. It's in good condition. Currently 18bids and £155. Whats the max you think I should bid? Will save my bid until the end though.

Angel - so sorry to hear your news, that's terrible Take care of yourself.

Sympathies to all those suffering with postnatal SPD, that must be miserable.

First1 - good luck with the Bugaboo, no idea how much you should bid but I love my Bug.

oh angel, poor you! you must be devastated. we are all here as shoulders to cry on....

angel, oh my god!, please feel free to rant in here, don't bother with personal, just me posts... you know, whatever we can do...

first, i was gonna give advise to post at the very last minute but i'm afraid your ebay must be over...tell us how you got on.

hv, the one that is my oficial hv is not that bad, i suppose but dh says that sometimes there is no pleasing me, but here a different hv takes care of every activity, and those... don't get me started.

where's newmomma gone? hope you feel better... it is hard as it is, sometimes i think: i can't cope! but then i do...i bumped into, in the doctors the other day, one of the peer supporters from bf group and she told me that the first few weeks i was hilarious, once i got all devastated because i put ds' trousers the wrong way around...!, you gotta laught...

pnd test: my hv has done the test with me, i don't know what my number was, but she said it is too be expected to have some number, and for it to go up and down slightly, it's all hormones, and changes, and sleep deprivation...

tips for the housework please, i have never been a domestic goddess, but this is getting too much, i can't do it when he is sleeping cos i'm sleeping or trying, when he is awake he demands to be on sight all the time, or else... dh works a lot and logically tired, still cooking and helping with feeds, bath... weekends, well, do shopping, go here, come back home, ups... 10 pm... i am tempted to hire a cleaner, but money not growing in trees at the moment...

oscar's cold, medicine working, caughing a little bit but back to his normal self....being playing with rattle for a while, but he only holds it with the left hand, it falls right off the right one, may i have a lefthanded child?

i think i better leave it before i write an essay. 1500 words, was it?

Angel - Thinking about you

thank you ladies. I have started a separate thread in relationships as I don't want to drag anyone down here.

Didn't sleep last night, and now I am waiting for the doctor to ring me cos I realised last night the dog that DH pestered to take on, wasn't wormed and now I've got them and I am worried dd3 has too as shes been really grotty the past few days straining like shes trying to poo all the time so shes got a gripey belly Disgusting. x x x

Hi Ladies,

Angel I am so sorry you're going through such a horrendous time! Big hugs to you! Please don't worry about bringing us down. I feel like we've all been through so much together, just know you have friends here who are ready to listen.

Hormonalmum I hope your
DD1 recovers well from the surgery. I feel like you do concerning DH as well, it would be nice to have a chance to reconnect. Not sure if it's the hormones or pure exhaustion but I have no interest in dtd at all, to the point that if DH gives me a cuddle I'm almost repulsed. Feel a bit mean to admit that. I have hope that things will improve in that department, hence getting the coil.

Memory the photo on your FB of the wedding henna you did is absolutely gorgeous! You are so talented! Hope you aren't working too hard this weekend!

Pigley your latest pic of Lucy on FB is too cute, she has such a sweet face!

I'm hoping someone can give me some advice, or at least some hope that life is going to get easier! I have to admit I've really been struggling the last couple of days with 2 kids. DS1, age 3, has been really difficult, now to the point that he's smacking Eric on the head, scratching his face and trying to lay or roll on him. It seems that all the normal methods of punishing him when he's rough with the baby have no effect. I usually put him on the naughty mat. If he does it again then he loses a privilege like no story at bedtime or no dessert after dinner. Yesterday he peed whilst on the mat and I know it was just pure retaliation. He was being so rough with Eric whilst I was changing his nappy on the changing mat on the floor, he swooped in, smacked him on the head and tried to lay on him. I had to grab DS1 by the face and shove him away and quickly pick up Eric. It just makes my blood boil, I absolutly can't keep my cool! Previously we had a challenge set on DS1's reward chart to be gentle with Eric, and then it was be gentle with everyone. DH changed his challenges this week so that one isn't on there at all. I wonder if that could be influencing the increase in aggression? DS1 is also so clued up that when he gets in trouble he puts on a sad face and says "I'm feeling jealous" trying to pull at my heart strings. I guess it's evident I've been too soft on him in the past and had too much discussion about his feelings. My mum says with dangerous things like harming the baby she'd give him a spanking but I really don't want to do that. So, any words of wisdom would be gratefully received. I'll probably post in Parenting as well if I get the chance to later.

Didn't mean for this to be such a long post! I hope everyone has a great weekend!

Angel - about the worms, what a horrible way to be kicked when you're down. Please don't worry about dragging anyone down, we're all here to support each other.

Wouldliketoknow - My DSis is lefthanded and my Mum said it was really obvious as soon as she started to hold on to stuff because she only ever used her left hand.

Newmomma - thinking of you, hope you're having a good weekend.