March 2010- Group Therapy on the cheap

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And cupcakes

Oh iwcas you poor thing, you must be exhausted. Do you have friends and/or family to help out (I know you've said R isn't keen on being fed/settled by anyone else, but they could cook or do some housework or something)? Could it be the 4 month sleep regression thing, and he just needs to learn to settle himself back to sleep? Isobel started waking at night again a couple of weeks ago, but seems to have gone back to sleeping better now . So it may not last much longer. I hope you get some sleep soon. If you're really stuck, I would absolutely drive through from London to lend a hand.
I showed DH your FB video of R squealing btw (Isobel was schreeing like a mad thing, and DH asked if other babies do that). He said R was very cute, and he can be Isobel's boyfriend

Rinders if you're lurking, hope you're doing ok xx

to everyone else.

iwcas - you poor thing. Lack of sleep is awful . As BMI says, you need to reach out to your friends and family, and get them even more involved. Could someone stay over with you for a week: when he wakes for the day and has had his first feed, could they then wash and dress him and play with him, letting you go back to bed? I know, it's easier said than done when all you might want at that time is a caffeine hit.

Mine is now bang on 4 months, and his sleep patterns changed a week ago. He started waking up 2 or 3 times. He is still waking twice, but after trying out controlled crying, he goes straight back to sleep.

ICWAS I absolutely would join BMI on a sleep intervention. Just say the words. Meanwhile.. have you read the no cry sleep solution? that could help. Or how about like RebeccaCad get a sleep consultant if you have the money. Are you on the sleepless support thread? ( pacific is over there sometimes)

DD didnt seem to want to take a bottle from anyone but me either but we persisted and persisted with DH and she will take it finally.

and You Are a great mum, one of the best. This will turn a corner, really soon, maybe when you introduce solids, maybe when he sits up or does something else exciting - there is so much going on in his cute little head right now.. you've done nearly 5 months! There is no doubt you are a fabulous mummy! And well done on peer support course too. ( I'm looking at doing something similar but the head of our NCT branch and I really dont get on..)

We have finally turned a corner. DD was waking 3/4 times a night, every night and has never slept through. Finally she is just feeding once between midnight and wakeup (now 6.30am.. boo). At the same time she is now rolling over and over and over all the time, and has another tooth, is always talking away and you can see she is more 'switched' on than before. I really think it is not a coincidence between sleep and development

Have moved her cot down to a lower setting incase she starts moving around even more soon and escapes..

Swimming - DD loves swimming and dunking and last week got to swim on my back while i was swimming IYSWIM throughly recommended, esp as I didnt learn to swim till I was adult! love your swimming stories.

This weekend was my wedding anniversary - 2 years. We went to a lovely tapas restuarant that won the Tapas section on the F word last year. Had a great time and I got drunk on 2 and 1/2 glasses of wine. Which was ok at 11pm but really awful at 2am feed! donttry I know exactly what you mean.

rinders my thoughts have been with you all weekend and Im so sad for you. x hugs x

evitas hope you hospital procedure goes ok, Ive had a colonoscopy too but I wasnt sedated. I had to pass wind alot after!

scooby I cant find any courses to do as they are all suspended for summer too! Will go crackers stuck inside i think..

pixie well done on london trip, hope the GOSH help your DD.

BookwormDad I think you and your DW sound lovely. DW for working full time and still BF at night and you because I think my DH wouldnt be a SAHD very easily at all. And I would like to live abroad too!

Im sure there was something else.. (baby brain face)

Sarah supperwoman or what?! OOh typo there, meant to say superwoman, but is a good pun!

IWCAS could it be teething? have you tried calpol? If DD is screaming and won't settle. not hunger and not a nappy and not wind then it seems to me it's not just unsettled it's pain and calpol does the trick.

We tried to take a trip down the coast today but DD SCREECHED in the carseat so I've just been dropped back home. Am disappointed but she's happier now nappyfree on the mat. Must try t get her to sleep now [despair emoticon]

Have decided to apply for a career break which should be interesting as DH is self-employed starting off a new business. Goodbye financial security, hello the poorhouse....

Oh yeah IWCAS sometimes DD gets fierce indigestion too as I feed her too much at times. If you are feeding all those times when he wakes then this could be what it is.

Sure you've considered all this already but no harm to tell you what has occured to me. Tis hard figuring it all out.

Hello all. I have namechanged (used to be BelgianMummy but thought it dull).
I don't often post but I am a serial lurker. I am on facebook though

My DS will be 18 weeks tomorrow and has also returned to waking every hour the last few nights. I am putting it down to a growth spurt for now. Before he was sleeping from about 11pm to 5 am without a feed, which was heaven. I would have collapsed by now if I hadn't been able to sleep for more than 3 hours in a row IWCAS, so I am in awe of how well you are coping. I hope some of the advice on here helps you. My Ds started sleeping better when we moved him to his own room. Not sure why...

Rinders so sorry for your loss. Your dad sounds like an amazing man.

I have been feeling really dizzy the last few weeks when i move my head a certain way. My dr. thinks it's labyrinthitis. Have any of you experienced this before?

Also, I am trying to convince my DH to go to centerparcs for a weekend but he thinks it's too expensive. Has anyone been and loved it? If So, which parks are the best?

Quick post from me (am lurking on the laptop in the kitchen while DS's dinner cools; he's watching Mr Men whist sitting - nappyless - on the potty in the living room. Eek...)

IWCAS, if I was closer I would also absolutely help you out - especially as R sounds very like my DS was 2 years ago. The best thing I can offer you, though, is hope and virtual hugs. My DS now rarely wakes at night and sleeps for 11 hour stretches. It absolutely will get better. Promise, promise, promise. For now, though, I think you should persevere with someone else offering him the bottle (or try a doidy/sippy cup). It took ages for my DS to accept a doidy cup but it made things lots easier when he did. (And, if you can bear it, let someone take him for 3+ hour stretches. Even if he won't take a bottle, he won't come to harm from not eating in that time.)

DD - no personal experience of labyrinthitis but I remember a friend of mine having it. Took a while for it to get diagnosed but once it was I think she was treated effectively reasonably quickly.

Went to a wedding this weekend and lost DD's favourite toy . And, man, weddings with 2 small kids are hard work - even Asian weddings, which this was, which are about as child-friendly as one could hope for. Plus, both children screamed all the way home. There was no hope of hearing music over them, especially when DS adjusted his pitch or whatever to match his screaming baby sister.

And the after-effect of the wedding today has been two over-tired, grumpy children. (DD's naps at the wedding were not sling-based - and, thus, she only catnapped -because my salwar kameez was covered in beading; DS was late to bed last night.) Consequently, DS properly embarrassed me for the first time today. We met up with one of his nursery friends, whose mother had a second baby shortly after my DD was born. Previously, the other Mum and I have met for coffee after doing the nursery drop-off and we've got on well. Not sure what she'll think of me now after my truculent child spent the afternoon either tantrumming or saying, "I don't want [other little boy's name] here". .

icwas- (hug) sorry its not much help to you but wanted to do it any way, x

Awh IWCAS you have my sympathy. I was going to suggest moving R out to his own room last time you mentioned your sleep troubles but I would second dizzi's suggestion. I moved DD1 out at 17w and we all slept better. No monitor on just left the doors open. It means you hear them when you need to but you don't hear the snuffles and thrashing if they are just having a wee fuss. I haven't moved DD2 yet as I haven't found the time to sort out her bedroom yet but DH is nagging and it will happen soon.
Poor Baby G is suffering after her 3rd set of jabs. She got a pin prick rash on Saturday evening so I ended up taking her to the out of hours doc who confirmed it wasn't anything serious just her body coping with the immunisations. However she was very, very unsettled overnight, a wee bit better on Sunday night and then today her rash got worse and her whole arm and feet went bright red and swollen so I took her back to the GP this afternoon. She was thoroughly checked over and there is nothing 'wrong' with her but she has clearly had some sort of reaction. The GP gave me a prescription for Piriton and told me to give her calpol if needed
She is pretty grumpy but is definitely cutting a tooth as well so it's hard to know what symptoms are bothering her most.
All in all I'm shattered and because of my dentist appointment and the subsequent extra trip to the GP poor DD1 didn't get her nap so much general grumpiness all round.
Waves to everyone else, sorry for lack of shout outs and me me me post.
Much sympathy to you rinders if you are lurking.
Nice to 'see' you back dizzi and I hope your procedure went okay today evitas
pixie hope DD2 is doing okay. Canulas are horrible and that machine looks quite scary!

oh and I totally recommend dunking swimming classes (and there was no way I'd do it unsupervised!!!) We do 'waterbabies' as that is the only local franchise but there are various similar things out there. I took DD1 to the local leisure centre baby classes too and the teacher there was at me dunking her willy nilly and would joke about me having a spare one at home! Baby G has turned a corner and seems to quite like it now although she wasn't too keen to start with. DD1 however loved it right from the beginning.

iwcas I'm so sorry DS is giving you such a hard time. I'm afraid I don't have many words of wisdom, other than to agree with Sariska - I'm sure you'll look back on this soon and it will seem a distant memory. It's surely just a phase, and he's bound to improve soon. Hang on in there - you're doing great.

Dizzydoll good to hear from you again. I've no direct experience of labyrinthitis, although my MIL sometimes suffers from it and a friend had it so bad she was horizontal for about a month - she could barely move without feeling sick. I'm glad you haven't got it that bad though!

Rinders really sorry about your Dad. I hope you're doing ok.

evitas hope all is well with you

sariska what a pity the wedding was hard work. Doesn't bode well for me - we've got two coming up within a week of each other! The first one we're only taking DD2, basically because I'm her milk bar and staying overnight at the hotel. I'm slightly nervous about this, as it's quite far away from home and DD2 basically goes into sleepy/grumpy mode from about 6pm onwards. The second gig is DH's brother's wedding, but it's a bit closer to home AND my parents will be on hand to help out, so I'm hoping that will be ok.

DD2 slept really well last night - she managed a full 5-hour stretch in the cot. In contrast, tonight she's only just gone in there about half an hour ago and has already stirred twice. Babies - they just NEVER do the same thing twice, do they?? Plus, I got really paranoid earlier because I was cuddling her to sleep as usual but her head and neck seemed rather cool to the touch, despite the fact she was next to me, and in her sleeping bag. But her hands were warm and she's been fine in every other way today. So DH and I fretted for a while, poking and prodding her to check her temperature every couple of minutes. I've decided she must just be cooler when she's asleep..but it's made me want to go in and check her every 5 minutes. It's normal for them to feel cool when they're asleep, right? I think it's just one of those things that she does but I've only just noticed IYKWIM? I hope so, anyway.

Plus, she managed to take a 6oz bottle from ME earlier today - first time I've given her formula myself, usually DH does it, but she semed fine to take the bottle from me instead of the boob. However skipping that feed did result in Enormo-boob by teatime . Any tips what to do when you're engorged after skipping a feed? I don't want to feed her early and mess up her feeding schedule and I don't particularly want to express as I'm crap at it, and seems to defeat the purpose of not feeding her myself.

Also is anyone who's BF-ing getting four hour stretches between feeds? DD2 only manages it occasionally (she's 19 weeks) but I thought she'd be doing it most of the time by now.

Gah. I know there's surely nothing wrong with DD2 but I have a feeling I'm going to end up bringing her into bed early and prodding her all night...

Hi everyone, first time on this thread for ages and I am so touched at all your comments and thoughts. It's been a bloody hard couple of weeks (and months, come to that), and I will miss my father terribly. I guess there will always be the, 'I wish Dad was here to see this' moment. Now I feel it has happened to someone else and I will see him again anytime soon.

The good news is that DH had excellent results last week and it appears he is rapidly improving. He's looking and feeling well, although gets tired easily.

Jasmine continues to be a little star, although her sleep has gone to pot recently - I guess with everything going on it's been difficult to cultivate much of a routine. Typically, while she is now fast asleep (and has been since 7.30pm), I am wired and cannot sleep at all! Amazingly (and I am v proud of myself for this), she is still exclusively b/f Have finally uploaded some photos of her to FB if anyone is interested.

So, in amongst all the madness, we are moving house this Thursday! I must be totally and utterly bonkers, but it is really nice to have the imminent move to our dream house to look forward to. I won't be able to post for a couple of weeks as no BT line until mid Aug.

Hope everyone is well and sorry for not namechecking or keeping up with how everyone is doing. Thanks again for all your kind words, they mean a lot xxx

Hi
Just a quick post to thank you everyone. The procedure went well but I have now to wait 3 weeks for the biopsy results. I'm a bit sore and have been between bed and toilet. Thank god my mum is here to look after ds.
How are you today iwcas?

Rinders I was looking at the pictures of your DDs last night on FB - they are gorgeous! I love the one of DD1 helping Jasmine with her tummy time [heart melts]. And you should feel proud of the exclusive BFing - you've dealt with more these past few months than many deal with in years so it's an amazing thing to still be doing. And hurrah for your DH's results! Good luck with the move - I shall be keeping an eye out here and on FB for news of how the move goes when you're eventually back online

Pixie I really hope it went OK for DD2 and the cannula - that machine does look quite intimidating, never mind on a child, so you sound like you're coping so well.

Heckle definitely no 4 hour stretches here! 2-3 hours is normal for us (sometimes a little more if it's really hot), but the feeds are a lot shorter than they used to be so it doesn't really bother me. I think the 4 hour thing is more of a formula thing? I could be wrong in that but I'm not expecting the frequency of his demands for feeds to really drop until he's well established on solids.

IWCAS big hugs for you hugs. Him waking screaming sounds to me like it could be teething so perhaps giving him some calpol/calprofen?

Evitas hope the colonoscopy went well.

Sarah glad the party was fun!

BWD that's so interesting about the hospital grade pump at work - my DH is American and I've always wondered how my American relatives managed to stay BFing once they returned to work after 6 weeks. It's so great that she's still BFing your DD . We've also not used sunscreen yet - DS is 19 weeks today - as I have sensitive skin myself and want to do anything I can to avoid DS having the same fate! But since they're supposed to stay out of direct sun anyway we're managing OK with our buggy shade and hats and the like.

Really interesting to hear about the swimming. We've not taken DS yet (all the chemicals in the pool don't appeal to me - it seems counter intuitive to me to bring him into a pool when I don't use baby wipes or disposable nappies and only use a no scent sensitive skin baby wash once a week in his bath) but it looks like such fun...although strangely, despite living near babyland, north london (aka Crouch End) the only water babies type thing is in a really manky pool with a horrible teacher (two of my friends are currently going and just waiting for this term to end - very unimpressed with it they are). If there was a better one closer I may be more tempted. But I want to take him paddling in the sea when we go back to Cork in August so I'll probably feel a lot more relaxed about the whole thing after that!

DH has a vomiting bug so is off work today. So many of our friends have had it over the past week (we had a big picnic over the weekend and 4 people at it had just gotten over the bug) and I'm just hoping myself and DS can avoid it! I've canceled our lunch plans just the same as I would hate to pass it on to anyone else...

Evia I had a colonoscopy a few years ago - procedure was fine, but hated the starvation beforehand!

Pixie poor DD!

Heckle some 4 hour stretches, but 3 more usual. Anything goes!!

Flip - career change opp (set up swimming classes??). Could run a franchise maybe. Mind you you prob love your job! Jaysus girl, the water in Cork is freezin (but beautiful) - you'll traumatise the poor mite!! Poor DH. Could do with a vomit bug meself to get rid of the jelly belly (only messin')

Am getting the career break form through today or tomorrow. Arghhhhh!!

Donttry the freezing water is character building ;-). Just an excuse to head to some West Cork beaches really...career break is tres exciting. You're v brave . I like my job enough to go back (i.e. we need the money) but am hoping to go back four days a week. In an ideal world I'd actually go back pregnant and take a career break after maternity leave no 2 [but don't want to count chickens etc].

hello all
back from devon where we rode donkeys and ate clotted cream with strawberries (least that's how DD1 seemed to like it...) and had a generally pretty lovely time.
So: whilst i remember....
pixie your poor DD - why and how does she need a syringe driver? (is that what it is?) and more importantly - is it working? well done you on the Supportive Mum bit, amazing
Rinders amazing re house but you definitely need a new focus (it will see you through this, i bet you) and good luck with the move. I've said it before, I'll say it again - your dad would be so proud of you and his gorgeous granddaughters.
flip/Donttry am a complete stalker i know but jeez i can't believe how FEW Waterbabies classes there are in BabyLand!! get on it girl!! you'd think there would be more hydrotherapy/warm pools around you, surely??!!!

Sleep - i rambled on to iwcas on text and probably didn't make sense but a) i think it's wind - am glad last night was better. DD2 is the windiest baby (i think i've already posted about her farts waking us up) and we have, on general, about an hour of screaming/discomfort every day At Some Point. If i don't wind her every feed - and i mean every - I pay for it. And I'd fallen asleep more times than i care to remember having fed her in bed. I just wish someone had told me the same with DD1 - seriously, i survived for EIGHT MONTHS on 4 hours sleep with that little madam.....all that wriggling/restlessness/kicking me in the belly.....it's wind!! Every time!! Would like to know your thoughts on this please - do i breed windy babies or is wriggling a sign of Imminent Burp/Fart?

B) (if you're still with me) I had a small epiphany the other day. I think i spent much of DD1's first six months breathlessly expecting and waiting for her First Full Night's Sleep. It didn't come. at all. until she was old enough for us to try controlled crying (rocking outside the room with glass of wine...) (caveat: she's been the most amazing sleeper since, give or take). Now then - another mum, of several, told me the other day that with subsequent babies you don't bother getting all fraught and frantic about How Many Hours You've Had, because you know at some point, the Tiredness will STOP.... now i can't say i've never had the argument with DH beginning with "Yes but you slept for 126minutes and 40 seconds and I DID NOT " But I have definitely just accepted DD2's feeding habits and as long as she settled back ok (dimmed lights, swaddled etc etc) I haven't at all counted how many times I've got up for her in the night....
This isn't AT ALL to discount everyone's sleeping problems on here - believe me, i've been frantic too for lack of sleep, and it is so nice to know i'm not alone, in a weird way but I'm trying to say, in a really REALLY long way...that TTSP and eventually - we will ALL sleep very nicely, thank you very much, and we'll laugh at how frantic we are now.....
and finally - iwcas you know i'd also come up to you and utilise the double buggyness if it helps. So much easier to say than do but if someone offers to take him, let them - i still find it hard to hand DD1 over for a few hours but it's ultimately better for the both of us.

Good god. Am so sorry. Epic post.
Also don't want to offend anyone sleep-deprived out there so do flame me if it makes you feel better. completely understand. To make it perfectly clear - i did NOT sleep through the night, I had to get up several times for both DDs - so am surprised am so chipper tbh!!?!!

right. anyone up for some more interesting banter...

Smac ducks in and is worried that IWCAS has been lurking on Netmums with all this hugs and hunnies nonsense ;-)
Sing and sign is fab as well, our franchise lady has given it up as we don't have enough people in our sparsely populated area of West Wales. Well not enough people with money anyway. Pushy Mums stopped running classes in our town just as I had recovered from CS with DD1
I am getting away with feeding lying down and not burping after every feed but this is a recent thing. I was trying to force myself upright and feeing properly and wind but I was losing the will to live but mummyelk is wise and right upright feed and proper burp leads to less night waking in my experience too.
I also second the advice to not count the hours and minutes and seconds I don't think it helps to 'count' how tired you are. Sleep when you can and don't count what you don't get.
I do like your idea of letting P take R our in the morning to let you have a catch up.
Another suggestion is a comforter for R something that smells of you but you can put in his cot. DD1 has 2 snugglies that she is devoted to. She will have 'any old toy' for daytime naps but has 2 special comforters for bedtime. She has had them since birth and although in the early days didn't seem in the least bit fussed about them they were always tucked in close to her in her pram or moses basket or cot.
With DD2 I haven't got a comforter but she has taken to sucking and snuggling up to a muslin, smells of me, smells of puke milk, what could be nicer!!! Anyway as no one really gave us any comforters this time round I ordered 2 from Amazon last night as I want her to become attached to something
Someone had a link on here before about the benefits of soothers/comforters for sleep
Right that was another load of waffle and I've got stuff to do.
Night night oh and I have finally moved the cot out of DD1's room (even though she has been in her big girls bed for ages now) so there is a small possibility that DD2 will be in her own room tonight. It is an absolute shambles, no calm serene aura eminating from the room whatsoever but will she notice? No I don't think so and with her very enthusiastic rolling I'm worried she will try and roll right out the moses basket! I can't believe I've kept my massive baby in a basket this long.
Oh and for those who made sling suggestions I've hired a Yamo for 2 weeks to see how I get on. Tried it out just around the house this morning and it seemed very comfortable and very supportive but need to try it on a dog walk before it can get the full thumbs up.
Any food updates? Who has started? Who is hanging out for 6 months? I have to say hand on heart DD2 is showing no interest in food whatsoever. DD1 started BLW at 5 months as she was grabbing off my plate but we took it very, very slowly to start as I knew the advice was to wait til 6 months, but she was sitting pretty well unassisted, not totally unassisted though. DD2 still seems quite floppy and even in the Bumbo she swings around quite a bit.
Oh and teeth, how are the teethers? DD2 is just about to cut her first one, it's hovering just under the surface but not quite through yet.
Right I need to go. I started a tidying job and it's at the very, very messy stage and I can't leave it til the morning as DH won't make it through the front door after his night shift and DD1 will just spread it all about even more as usual

Buying two comforters, Smac - def good plan. Wish I had. The one we lost at the weekend is out of stock now at Mamas & Papas, at least online.

Teeth - none here, although plenty of drool and an increasing attachment to Sophie la Giraffe. But we did - drumroll - have our first roll onto the tummy today! And she seemed quite happy with being there (perhaps because she'd got there by herself).

Re career breaks - that's what I'm planning after 6 or 9 months back at work. It will mean resigning; my firm doesn't offer career breaks at the moment, at least not officially.

Hope everyone has as good a night's sleep as possible. Maybe we should have a MMMM reunion in a decade or so's time when, hopefully, we can look back on this time of sleeplessness with the bemused puzzlement (not a real word, I know) that the passing of time and the restoration of normal sleep habits should provide. (Please no-one tell me that sleep is never the same again once you have children, even when they are grown up and gone....)

Sariska we also have a Sophie la Giraffe addiction - SS LOVES hers and I have a v sweet pic of her clutching her while asleep.

IWXAS - yay for P helping you sleep. If you'd rather extra sleep on Thurs I don't mind coming to yours and having the two of 'em rather than swanky coffee fun.

Rinders you are so graceful even in times of enormous trial. What a strong, warrior mama you are. All of my hats are off to you and lots of love and support goes your way.

MELK yay for fun holidays - your post makes total sense. Maybe i should just have another babe to put it all in to perspective?!

Evitas well done on bravery through colonoscopy.

Can I ask a favour? Can you all nag me till I have a smear test done? I've got an irrational fear so have never had one (am only 28 so not that bad, but still). Still have the fear even after childbirth but MUST HAVE ONE. Please make me!!

Off to Birmingham tomorrow for fun with my family.

[extremely stern face] rebecca get yourself to the nurse immediately. Smears are quick and painless and will save your life. I had a dodgy result at 22 which resulted in colposcopy and diathermy. If i hadnt gone, now Im 30 I may not be here, who knows. I have to go back yearly. However, yours will be fine and they get the result back to you very quickly so you dont worry.

Sophie la Giraf is on sale at Jo Jo Mamam and you get a MN discount too, btw. DD is addicted to monkey so we have two just in case!

Iwcas lovely giggles! What made him laugh? DD likes being thrown up in the air, and still likes the letter 'zed' - weirdo. How was last night?

Now DD can roll back to front like a pro, she does it all the time. Nappy change is now crazy and I have to unroll her everyso often at night too. She has rolled front to back once, at 13 weeks - probably cant remember how its so long ago!

dizzi labarynthistis tus whatsit you say? I have been whinging about being dizzy for 19 weeks and this looks familiar. What is your main symptom, and how long has it been happening?

flip how is DH? Are you ok? Crouch end does have lots of baby stuff/ shops doesn't it? My sister lived there for a bit.

While on subject of sister - she is 15 weeks pg - looking for a pressie - did any of you have a dream genii? Recommend it? Or what else would you get a pg woman?

Welcome back Melk we're off to devon in sept when i will be trying your DD1's recommendation of clotted cream with strawberries (out of season then, maybe just the cream?)

rinders good luck with house move. are you getting some men in to do it? Ive promised myself that that's what'll happen next time! Also your pics are lovely! Am obsessed with hair as DD is a baldy, I like your DD's hair .
Has anyone had any significant hair growth yet on LO?

sariska I live v close to Mamas and Papas factory shop - if you send me a link to the comforter you lost, I can go and look?

DH took the pram and both slings with him to work on monday and AGAIN on tuesday, knob head. Leaving me trapped in house! So took DD to Asda (baby trolley - aha!) and spent lots in baby event.
Have pram back now.

yay rececca- have fun in brum- we live 20 mins from birmingham!

i am going with DH whilst he has a vasectamy! boohoo, no more babies here, boohoo
i know it the right thing but it so final!!!!LOL {sob}

hope al is well with u all x