Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

[Beans33]

Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

Oh Avo, stay strong.

Lady, don't blame yourself - very easy for me to say but you really shouldn't. She IS very advanced in her other area's. Like JJ I have been worried again about the talking thing. I wish you were closer or we could get together more. I think it would help massively if she was around other kids eating. I know ds was going through a really bad patch of eating and I was going to visit a friend and kept telling her "oh you are going to see how he won't eat etc etc" and I sat ds in a highchair next to her dd (who picked at her food but at least was putting food to mouth) and ds was watching her intently and polished off a whole sandwich and 2 yogurts - the most he's ever eaten out and about
She will be fine I'm sure of it, and as Urbane said, the distraction of another child may be what she needs to kick start her.

JJ ds only says babble mainly. Sure he could practically run a marathon, but his vocab, despite my constant talking to him, reading and asking questions, still only consists of "dad-dy, mamama, oof oof, and noooo" (in and Australian sounding slur) I had been worried yet again, however talking to a lovely couple down in Devon and they said their Granddaughter is 20 months and says less than that. Then recently a guy came over to look at our insulation and he had a 20 month dd also who he said says nothing, so I have relaxed a bit again.
DS has advanced to pointing to everything he wants and I know it's probably delaying him when I respond to his points, but sometimes it's just a time related thing! His latest is when he doesn't want to eat or has had enough, he pulls his bib off and throws it across the room

Right I left all the windows open a bit upstairs last night, upped the fan speed in ds's room and it has lowered the temp in there by 2 degrees and he's STILL asleep! However I think I just heard him turn his door handle

Oh and Katie. I understand, it's hard to keep up when things are hectic. If you get a spare second pop in for a hi - you don't even have to catch up etc if you know what I mean.

Oh gosh Avo that's all a bit much for you to be dealing with (& a little bizarre). How was your boss about you missing the meeting. I think you would be talking to her now so giving you strength & White light now.

Good luck Avo - today can only get better!
Also try not to worry too much about the other thread, must be a bit disconcerting to have every detail picked over by strangers (especially when they don't read what you say) but I guess useful to get a perspective and realise that you aren't being harsh in being very pissed off!

That sounds like a rotten start to the day, Avo. Anniversaries like that are so hard. Thinking of you. I hope you can get through the nanny stuff.

Rubes, I would love to see more of you anyway! If I can get my finances sorted I WILL get my licence and then life will be simpler...Re: speaking, the paed said yesterday that at this age they'd only really expect to hear 'Mummy', 'Daddy', and possibly 'ta', 'no' and 'bye'. I think it's not until you have kids (especially more than one) that you realise how various the developmental rates are. They will all be quite similar in development by about 5, even more so at 11, even more than that at 18...at this age though it's a lottery. Oh, meant to throw it out there - apparently it's v common for toddlers to be deficient in iron studies have shown that it can affect IQ a little bit, so worth checking sources in the diet (I had to remind myself of someone of the less obvious ones). If DD wasn't having her formula, we'd be stuffed with that. I owe Aptamil a debt of gratitude. Oh, and Rubes, something the paed said yesterday about DD not walking - "her needs are being met without it and that's yet another lack of incentive" - I think applies to your DS. Babies are usually quite economical - and he points at things he wants and so he is getting along very nicely! He is a lovely little chap and too busy conquering the world at the mo.

Sybs - so glad you finished, yay! - the paed wasn't worried about the formula - lunch and evening she has the formula away and after her 'meals' anyway...Right, must put our heads together bout dates.

Proper catch up later as lots I wanted to say to others.

Oh woops a whole page started which I missed. Anyhoo have taken time to White light you Avo.

About all the worry about walking and talking etc, it's doesn't really matter when they do these things what is more important is the process of getting there. You can encourage as much as you want and that's a good thing, stimulation for children is always a good thing. But it's not the age they are when they walk or talk that is important it is the 'actions' & learning process that they go through to get there. The whole trial and error process involved with standing up, or climbing etc , crawling, bum shuffling etc helps develop the brain. The same thing with talking, they start to understand words well before they talk, and non verbal things like pointing etc help to start off their communication until they can find the words. Short cutting things or trying to get there faster makes no difference, the longer it takes the more they are using their brains. It doesn't mean they are slow, in very rare cases children have an intellectual disability which inhibits their ability to go through these processes but believe me JJ your DD does not have a learning disability. Your girl is going to be an extreme sports star for sure. Does that all
make sense.

Rubs I had the fans on last night too and both boys slept through until 7.30! DS2's 4am wiggled lately must be from the heat. Also DS1 is a bit under the weather so is off school today. It's a shame as it's def beach weather here!

yeah agreed Lady. That's what I mean he has started adding the pointing to the grunting and therefore doesn't have to talk when he get's handed the satsuma etc. I'm going to stop giving him things for the day oh that'll backfire on me in about 2 seconds I'm sure!

Avo glad you are happier about things. I will zip my big mouth about it all. Sorry you are dealing with this at the hard time relating to your mother etc. It's a little strange, that friend who is stayings behavior

Vaggie - crossed - yeah I noticed the monitor had taken the temp down by 2 deg. He didn't actually wake until 0915 not any less grumpy though. He came downstairs (won't let me carry him - makes me hold his hand so he can walk and the whole process takes about 5 good minutes) then saw his walker at the bottom and screamed blue murder when I made him sit in the highchair rather than play with that. Then fist in hand and refused to eat so Cal-geled and waited 10 mins. Had 3 mouthfuls of weetbix then threw satsuma all over the ground, a sip of milk and is now screaming at the bike pump he is playing with on the kitchen floor as he can't make it do what he wants a long day awaits, but I am going out thankfully....

sorry fist in mouth!. He has FOUR BIG teeth popping through at the same time top and bottom at the back - can just feel the pointy tips

Lady I do thoroughly recommend that La Leche book here's a link - being La Leche it is tailored towards the breastfeeding mum I guess but I think there's some really interesting stuff in there and also lots of first-person experiences, which might be comforting to read. And if you did want to talk to someone who has gone through the same, my sister would be delighted to chat/ email/ whatever (she's not on MN though). Both on the not-eating and the not-walking front (and my niece didn't even bum shuffle - literally did nothing, never crawled, never even turned over..)

Ouch poor babypubie. DS2 is exactly the same, such a grump when he has saw teeth. Pulsitilla is good for that grump or PTT, pre teething tension . It's funny as DS2 is a lot like me before I get my coffee when he's like that.

Also meant to say earlier Lady, DS1's feeding has greatly improved since DS2 came along, I don't know if it's from watching DS2 eat or just because we have just left him to it but he eats way more and has become more adventurous. I know the worry you feel though, I always fear i've caused DS1 to have eating disorders later in life. But Lady we have enough to feel guilty of with this parenting lark, analysing everything we do really is not helpful, you've done the best you can and I think a good job of it too. She is truely a beautiful girl and from reports quite a bright little thing too.

Sorry I have been awol. Have just tried to catch up to no avail. But hugs to you Avo - didn't know what your status on FB meant but the anniversaries are so hard. But your Mum will be proud of you and your amazing family and how hard you work. You are a credit to her. Haven't read your nanny thread but I hope it resolves.

ladyT my best friend is a child psychologist who specialises in eating issues (whole range) at GOSH. In non-medical cases she is a big advocate of reducing the milk right down for a period so they are genuinely hungry - and all the other things you have been advised in terms of keeping calm etc (which is SOOO hard) She does a lot of foodbased play - giving range of mushy foods for them just to play with and squeeze etc. I am sure it will get better as Veggie says when baby comes along.

My DD1 as you know didn't walk til 21 months - and they are often more bendy these non-walkers which again seems to right itself. She just liked bum-shuffling! Even L, who is more agile and theoretically CAN walk (ie she has taken a couple of steps when encouraged) - refuses point blank. She even says "no walking!". Now, if you can sayit there's a good argument to say you should get off your bum....but she actively prefers bum-shuffling and crawling. Try not to worry i think it will all sort itself out.

Hope everyone else is well. Beans I hope I haven't missed your birth? If I haven't how long to go???

Hey Turnip, I see you on FB so can't really say long time no see. Have a look at Beans Profile photos.

On here I mean not on FB.

Ahhhhh - big congrats Beans! Do we have a name (will start going back and looking). can't believe I missed it. I love that fact that your profile still says "I have no children" and there are two very lovely looking ones there. Well done! Thanks for heads up Veggie.

Where is AVo's thread about the nanny. Can anyone point me in right direction?

@ "babypubes" !!!!
Vaggie Baby pubes is well annoyed now as his walker won't go off road or over the baby gate very smoothly oh dear. Oh and the couch is in his way

hello Turnip - that's hilarious! "No walking"

Right, must get organsied to get out. Am dangerously low on pigment spot, uneven skin tone make up to cake on

Avo darling, you will get through today (look it's halfway gone already). Not sure the friend really helped with that but hope you're coping alright. And well done for dealing with the nanny, she really does need to know how much you rely on her and that no matter how much the girls love her, she has to be trustworthy.

LadyT sounds like the paed was really helpful - sorry to hear it's a tricky quesiton and not one that can be solved easily but at least you know now what they think can be done to help. Bless her super-bendiness, it makes sense that if she feels wobbly on her feet, she'll avoid standing up!

katie we'll be thinking of you, great news about dd's childminder morning and ds's super-sportiness!

rubes poor boy, hope the teeth pop soon. Teetha was the only thing that ever worked for us.

Thanks all for the reassurances re talking. It's just so hard to be objective when we're surrounded by kids who are so chatty - eg a friend on FB whose little girl, the same age, has been saying "mummy i saw blue aeroplane". We went to the outdoor paddling pool this morning and even some of the kids there younger than dd were saying "mummy wet" and "look ball" and other such comprehensible things. Then again they were all staying in the shallow end while dd marched down the deep and kept clambering in and out (veggie I can just see her becoming a free climber, no need to encourage!). I suppose the guidelines need to be flexible, it's things like the books that all say "18 months; vocab of 5-20 words" and we've got about 3. Never mind... all in good time!

Morning sickness starting to kick in a bit now, just ate a pot noodle as we were in the co-op and it jumped off the shelf with its salty goodness and seems to have cured things for a while. But lawks the burpiness is horrid and not very polite either! Have got my booking in appointment this afternoon, I moved GP surgeries because the old one was a good half hour walk whereas the new one is about 5 mins away, plus the MW is the one who came out and delivered dd I don't have a pot for wee, jam jar I think was the consensus wasn't it?

I found the photo too - more please! Turnip: baby Beans is Prudence.

Ladyt: what a sensible consultant you found. It all makes a lot of sense. I agree that eating seems a lot less fraught when you have your second. Food play sounds fun (though messy).

Avo: thinking of you today. What a rotten time for a confrontation. I hope you have a seriously large bucket of wine lined up for this evening.

I am now tempted to buy a fan and put it in the boys' room, ds2 was awake at 5.20 again this morning. And I was awake from 4 with my headache. Yuck. Unfortunately no intersting drugs, just paracetemol and ibuprofen. I'm trying not to take too much in 24 hours, which usually means a tricky patch after 3am. Anyway, it seems to be easing off a bit today, for which I am most thankful!

Prudence!!! That's lovely. Who is next - is it Rubena (waving at you...)
And I see more congrats are in order to Jump and Mom!! Brilliant, it's so exciting.
Hi Effie - this heat is a shocker I agree. Hope your head is better.
Just nipped out and met WG who was filling in at a baby singing and movement class. She was fab! Brought L who looked like a creature from the blue lagoon - she is covered in spots but the Dr reassures me they are post-viral rash and she has nowt infectious. Could see other mothers recoiling .

Turnip isn't Blue Lagoon that raunchy movie from years ago?

Effie can you get some paracetamol with codiene it's available over the counter there. Each tablet has 8mg of codiene that might be more effective than just straight paracetamol. Also (just to counter me pushing hard drugs on you) if you have any fresh rosemary pop a sprig in a mug of boiled water and drink it as a tea. It's quite yummy and good for headaches. Otherwise cloth over the head and a good lie down preferably not within whining distance of your offspring.

Avo hope your OK thinking of you.

Yay! Turnip! Rubes is next at the end of this month, then Summer days later, then I think me on 20something Sept, then ModernLove in early Oct (who doesn't post much, ML where are you?), then Spot at the end of the year...then I think JJ, and then we have WG and Mom at that very very scary and new stage so I think that's being kept quite quiet.

Kiwi, I had forgotten about that book - I will order it right NOW as I thought it sounded good when you mentioned it the other week. That is such a kind offer about your sister. It's very reassuring to hear that someone's come out of the other side! I must say I feel a bit better about it today. I mean...DD at least seems happy, that's got to be a good thing. Turnip, we worried about the formula but are under strict instructions to keep giving it as it's her main form of nutrition, though after meals (other than breakfast where it seems to make no difference). She is a funny child, though. We told her off for chucking food on the floor this morning - only mildly but I couldn't help it, I get so fed up of bending to pick it all up three times a day - and five minutes later she'd put prunes and cherries on the ironing board (which happened to be near her high chair) in a neat line instead. What can you say?

Efiie, I do hope your poor head is better. Don't feel bad about work - you are ILL!

DaisyD - I am encouraged by what you say but it is inevitably going to be a long process... I hope you get to have that lunch with your DH's friend's wife. But look, at least you have started. I am crossing my fingers that the hol will be another small step forward.

JJ, I love Pot Noodles. But I haven't eaten one since, ooh, about 1983 as I have an iron will I bet they are great for morning sickness. But your DD's physical courage is precisely what I am talking about...all the time she is looking around for stuff to get into or do, her mind is evidently working overtime, thinking "Oooh, I fancy a bit of that deep end in the distance!" I think that's pretty extraordinary for such a tot, myself...

Veggie, I would love to see some pics of the boys at that wedding. Hope DS1 is feeling more chipper this afternoon.

Right, I have to dash to London for the evening for a monumentally boring house meeting, interviewing managing agents as ours has become theatening, toxic and potty. I could seeeeeew do without it.

LOL Veggie - well spotted - the Blue Lagoon is indeed a semi-rude movie from the eighties starring Brooke Sheilds and some fella with alarmingly blonde hair...that'll be the black lagoon I was thinking about.

LadyT - sounds like Miss O has you all well in check - am loving the idea of neatly lined up cherries on the ironing board.

So many new babies - it's fab. Although I have to say I love not being pregnant (sorry!)

Evening ladies. I'm so shattered, no idea why as getting ok sleeps and did nothing but tidy the house a bit. I think giving both boys my attention all day can be a bit draining.

Lady I think hanging onto the formula feeds for as long as possible is such good advice from that paed. When DS1 was living on air pies at the same age I was so stressed about him getting enough nutrition like you I worried about iron & I was freaked out about him getting enough omegas. I talked to my homeopath (she was also into infant nutrition) one day who said that even just the 2 BFs I was giving him a day were giving him all that plus more and the best thing is the protein. As well as the iron those feeds are giving her vital protein. Above all though, it seems that it is the one thing going in her mouth that she actually enjoys so why take it away.

So Daisy what are your plans for Friday? Are you going out for the whole night or just dinner and home to see if the romance is still happening. I hope you get the result that makes you happy.

Effie how's your head?

Avo hope your ok, hope this day hasn't dragged on for you.

Pubes how is your minipubes teeth.

Turnip I think I've seen creature from the black lagoon.