Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

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Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

What a relief LadyT. I am really pleased for you.

WG - are you four weeks? That is very early to have symptoms. With DD2 I was nearly six weeks when the sickness kicked in. I remember wondering if I had got away Scott free and then 12 hours later my head was starting it's 8 week visit down the toilet. Did you have many symptoms with Madam?

oh FFS, i cross-posted and so didn't see lady's news, so came across as a callow cow - that is great news, lady - what is the treatment, if any for the osteopenia?

and in response to avo - i think i must be 4 and a half weeks or so. and i had a bit of tiredness and a tiny bit of feeling sick if i didn't have a blt either in my mouth or half way down to my stomach. i know it is early to feel stuff, but i have 2 friends who are preggers at the mo - one identical to me, the other 2 weeks ahead and they've both got massive symptoms. the one identically pregnant said she felt sick the day after she ovulated. i don't quite understand that as i thought it was floating around in stuff and hadn't attached itself to you yet, but i gave up biology at 14, so quite frankly have no clue.

i think it is my glass half-emptiness coming out. am about to book my scan. eeek.

Righto you lot - first of all - I deleted loads of photo's dh took and that is why you will find only one or two of me (besides he's a crap photographer so I don't let him take many of anything) but if you want I will email you a fat looking photo of me to make you feel better! lady - 4 kg??? I've put on about 13 kg but that is pre-Spain and I'm scared to get on the scales now as I had cheerfulness a lot on the trip and chocolate moose, hot dinners all the time and loads and loads of bread, pasta and rice dishes, then came home and found out dh had been stashing family blocks of chocolate on top of the kitchen cupboards as he "didn't want me to get mad at him for eating it infront of me" he had forgotton he put it there until last night and I caught him feeling up on the shelf therefore, of course out it came and I devoured quite a bit of that too I too was in my fat jeans at 13 weeks. We lived in Devon on the otherside of Dartmoor (Buckland Monachorum) for about 9 months recently so I kind of know some of the area, but didn't have any dc's then so not much interest taken in child friendly venue's so thanks your suggestions have been really helpful.

Lady GREAT news about your dad - very pleased for him and your family.

Avo and all thanks so much for the accom suggestions. I have had a look and I really like them all especially that first one Avo - just not sure we want to spend that much as we won't be getting full advantage of it since we will be coming back straight after the race. I like the look of that pub and might try and get there for a late lunch tomorrow. I am going to decide this afternoon (I will have to!) if we are going down tomorrow!

WG I had no symptoms until about 8 weeks, then they came and went in waves, and am suddenly feeling sick again. Not sure if there is any rhyme nor reason, but I do remember panicking when pregnant with T that all my symptoms had gone and kept getting told by mums to stop my worrying and be bloody grateful as they'd be back again soon enough. But that doesn't stop the worrying!
I too am a glass half fuller, which is why it is all the more perplexing that I seem to have carved a niche in writing motivational and self-development books .

Oh cross posted with everyone!
WG try not to worry. I had nada on the symptom front until about 8-9 weeks, and then I started feeling shockingly tired and permanantly hungover no movement at all until gosh at least 16 weeks I'd say.
In Spain we stay here for the 1st night then checked out as the road was far too winding to put ds through that carsick-ness at 430 on the morning of the race! Then we moved to Jaca and stayed at a hotel in town as the race started in Sabinanigo we stayed 2 nights there and then spent the last night in Santander and stayed here which was also lovely.

WG: wot everyone has said. I too thought I had escaped any side effects till they kicked in at about 6 weeks. I suspect some of the early early symptoms are psychsomatic.

Lady: great news about your dad .

Kiwi: not long to go! You've done so well esp with all the sleep training issues.

I am feeling rubbish. So rubbish I am tempted to spring for a pg test despite a) having the implant and b) bleeding more or less constantly for the last 6 weeks. And I've hurt my foot. Whine whine. Thank goodness it's a Friday!

Effie, what have you done to your foot? Is it a UDI? That would explain the rubbish feeling...

No idea, the top is swollen and sore. I suspect it's no more than walking in unsupportive shoes. Getting old!

Oh and the rubbish feeling is prob a bug I picked up from the boys, they've been grotty this week.

(just looked up udi - cheeky mare!)

On the holiday rec front, I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions for self catering places in Normandy that are toddler-tastic? Realised that it would be dead easy to get the ferry from Newhaven to Dieppe and could be eating croissants (and T could get his snails cooked properly) in no time.

Rubes, keep the photo, you look great I am just a jealous old bag. Furthermore, my appetite is kicking in big style so I am going to be hard pressed to restrict myself to the 3kg limit I have left in my self-imposed 'allowance' over the next 12 weeks (if you are overweight to begin with, you can gain a mere 6-7kg without it harming the baby). I need to take more exercise. Not to burn off calories, but because I find that when I go for a long walk, it really energises me. Last time, my fitness dwindled to nought in the last trimester, and I was just flubbing about like a giant sea mammal. Oooh, I want a trip to Spain. I love Spain. Turnip mentioned on FB about a trip to Jerez - have never been there and it sounds gorgeous.

Spot, we were in Normandy for a long weekend last year, but we stayed in a hotel. I would describe the French as baby neutral - not encouraging, as in Italy or Spain, but not discouraging either. I picked up a brochure for the area - I will look and see if I still have it.

WG, you talk about early symptoms - the only one I had was tender boobs, just a very few days after conception. However, at that stage I didn't know whether it was pre-menstrual or, as I for some reason strongly suspected, clackerdom...Anyway, other than that I just had some vague nausea between about 8 and 16 weeks. The treatment for Osteopenia, so far as I know, is calcium supplements. (That's what Dad says, anyway, but I need to check that out, in case there's some wonder drug I can agitate for...)

Go on, Effie, do a test. The implant is as effective as the Pill, right? So 1 in 100 get pregnant on it? What's a UDI? I googled it and can only find Unilateral Declaration of Independence and Unified Display Interface

Right girls, I have DP's chambers summer party and cricket match tomorrow. I can wear
(a) the dress I wore last year, which no one will remember other than DP, and DH's Dad, who is coming with us again. It still fits, and is ok, but I feel it's a bit M&S Mother of the Bride (probably because it IS M&S).
(b) a new dress, which DP likes, but which is less flattering than the above, I think.
(c) I think I can squeeze into a white linen Boden skirt, and see if I can find a dressyish top. Might be a big ask. I seem to remember the waistband is a little unforgiving.
(d) Have a couple of maxi dresses from H&M, which I actually bought with a summer late pregnancy in mind, one a large purple and cream stripe and the other black. But not awfully formal and may make me look like a close relative of Demis Roussos.

Aargh - I was halfway through a long post, but lost it.

Really wanted to say a heartfelt but quiet hurrah to MoM and to sympathise about the wonders of Belgian A&E (had a Sat night experience there myself years ago)

Also relief for LadyT's dad and to ask what you made of American Wife

And to say to Avo and Rubena - any tips for Devon very welcome as we're off there for hols at the end of July.

And probably much more.

Hey Invis, I've only read about a quarter. Enjoying so far. I like an American novel, me. Very thoughtfully written. Where are you off to in Devon?

Oh, and in case any one is interested in my loon NCT'er - I met the others earlier in the week for a lovely boozy dinner and none of them had heard anything of her in years. So, officially a loon.

LadyT - if its a daytime thing with cricket etc I'd be tempted to go with the maxi dress, you would get away with it. Def don't squeeze into anything as you'd just spend the day being hideously uncomfortable.

Hi there - I'm afraid I really liked the early parts and then I thought it dropped off in the last half/third. So let me know what you think. I also like those big American books. We're renting a place near Slapton with some friends. Don't know that neck of the woods at all though.

still have done nothing about accom.....

Lady It sounds like the 1st choice is what you would feel most comfortable in and is most flattering, therefore I would go with that. You are right, no-one will remember.

Hello all
Am v tired and down so this will be self-indulgent post. Sorry. Although before I witter on I must just say Daisy I was so sorry to read your post, I have been in a couple of bad relationships pre-DH. In fact one of them was the world's briefest marriage and the things you said really struck a chord.
The only thing I would say is that I think small children put massive pressure on a marriage. Almost everyone I know has had some serious problems. And that actually while you're in the middle of the hard graft of looking after children and racing around looking after everyone else by the sounds of it you can't really get any sort of perspective. So some time out is probably a good idea. Am going to follow my own advice here as DH and I going through a bad patch too. Bit frightening because we never have before but am sure we'll get to the other side.
Also so pleased for WG and mom.
And LadyT I'd go for d).

So my work dilemma carried on and became hideous. Basically I agonised, decided on the GLA and then my boss decided they shouldn't have approved the secondment and gave me a massive hard sell (including not very veiled threats about not getting the opportunity to go for a good job when I came back). So I'm staying where I am. I am getting a new job, and temporary promotion (but not really worth the paper it's written on). Doesn't sound that bad written down (oh poor me). But in reality it has been a whole week of having to have these in depth negotiations, and I've really let down the person I was going to work for. Am pissed off because if this is what they wanted they should have said so in the first place. And I'd be really excited about new job instead of feeling dreadful. Gah. Also our head of HR asked me if I thought it was personal . The skin on my hands is literally peeling off because I've got terrible eczema from the stress of it all [urbane collapses with vapours]. Actually just writing it down has made me realised I've basically got very little to moan about and should shut the fark up. And so she did.

Oooh my toast sale parcel has just arrived. Back later having bucked up.

Urbane...I hope Toast did the trick. Their stuff always looks so luxurious. As to the work shenanigans...well, another way to look at it is that perhaps your boss desperately doesn't want to lose you, which is flattering in a way...I don't think the head of HR should really have planted the seed in your mind that it's personal. I mean - do you think it is? Finally - YOU haven't let the person down you were going to work for, in any way, shape or form. You weren't to know. Do lots of nice things at the weekend. You need a break.

Oh, (c) the Boden skirt is out, I just tried it and it doesn't fit. Tried on the purple striped maxi dress and although it's very comfy (being thin t shirt material) I'm not sure. I will ask DP (who will sweat and panic and claim that he doesn't know )

I will let you know what I think about the book, Invis. I have been to Slapton Sands, it was v nice. So what have you decided bout the weekend, Rubes? And who's out of the BB house tonight?

urbane - don't feel bad, I have bored everyone on here senseless with my work dilemmas. In the grand scheme of things the work stuff might not be a big deal, but on the other hand, it takes up a big bit of your life and can make you feel utterly stressed and rubbish when you spend all day with people you don't really trust.

Ladyt: I would go for whatever is coolest. Maxi dress sounds a possibility.

Oh and udi = unidentified drinking injury. Sniff.

X-posted with loads there!

Urbane: it all sounds crappy and stressful. And painful, with the eczema flare up. Take care of yourself.

Invis: how are you doing?

Oooo Toast sale.. [scurries off to check]

Effie Sleeping going really well thanks - last few nights she has slept through to beyond 6 with not a peep, off to the in-laws with the travel cot again tomorrow so hoping the same will occur there...

LadyT Def still up for the 9th

Hey Effie, sorry all a bit rubbish for you.

I'm OK, bit of a mixed bag this week. On the plus side had a lovely night out and there is also the serious possibility of a job - am a bit of a way with one lot and have a couple more interviews lined up. But on the flip side all been domestic high dramas - DD had an infected stye and GP thought she needed proper looking at so there was a mad dash to Moorfields and DS has been feverish this week too. And our fridge died fatally, so have to spend a large amount of money to buy one the same to fit in the same integrated bit in the kitchen, knowing full well that the first one died for lack of ventilation, so a second one will probably eventually meet the same fate. And this last week or two are really weird at work. All hell has broken loose for a client I know well and have been under a lot of pressure to do masses of work for them, knowing full well that I won't be involved with them any more from next week on as they go wtih my boss. Had a meeting yesterday where I was in the thick of all the arguments and really enjoying myself and then almost in tears at the end when it dawned on me that I won't see it through. Really I ought to be flat out on it, working all weekend etc etc. Under the circs, I don't really want to, but a bit of me still feels I ought to as I don't want to let the client down.