Fab Feb 2009 bar: toddle on in, grab a pew: mummy's in need of a drink or two...

[dinkystinky]

New thread for us to natter on about our toddling terrors... complete with some virtual booze. Mine's a french martini....

Oh dear dinky I think you should put a shout-out on a thread title and ask her nicely to name change as you have been here for a while and are weell known etc etc.

Hello everyone hope you are all well...I was wondering if I could ask all you lovely ladies some advice...

Up until Owens first birthday he was still feeding every two hours in the night and 3 times during the day. I felt totally overwhelmed and tired all the time so we started to cut down once he was one and I felt he didn't need to feed so much. It was very hard and i spent most nights sleeping on his floor but I did get him down to feeding twice a day (before bed and first thing in the morning about four). Anyway I have decided to drop breast feeding totally now, he wont take a bottle or beaker of milk (of any kind) and I feel totally tied to the house. Mark and I haven't gone out on our own and I haven't seen any of my friends socially in the evening as I have not been able to leave Owen... So last night I didn't feed him before bed. it was horrific he cried for over an hour and was in a really bad state. Mark took over after an hour and did get him to sleep while I cried my eyes out downstairs. This morning at 4 he woke for a feed. Mark was getting up for work so I just got up with Owen and gave him some juice and we snuggled on the sofa until he calmed down then we went back to bed for an hour...

What i want to know is:

A) Am I really selfish for doing this,
B) how long will he be so upset for do you think
C) How can I ensure he has enough calcium
D) How can i make sure he isn't hungry when he goes to bed as he will not drink milk from a beaker
E) Should i be using full fat milk in cooking and on his cereal?

Hi everyone....I'm one of those who mean to post regularly but get caught up in other things and then never have the time to do personals sorry!

As far as spoon feeding goes, E has to hold a spoon and dip it in the bowl otherwise he goes apeshit, but I shovel the food in with another spoon. Some things (veg etc) I let him eat with his fingers and deliberately don't cut them up. Lunch is always a finger food thing, sanwiches, wraps, cheese and buiscuits etc. I done the same with DD (2.10) and she eats with a knife, fork and spoon.

Bumps, I sympathise with you as E still like his night time bottles but that programme the other night scared the shit out of me so am going to attempt to stop it. Can't help with with the first two but lots of calcium in hard cheese, yogurts and dairy in general. No you are NOT being selfish, yes you should use full fat milk (we get through 20 pints a week here!), I feed dinner about 5ish and bed at 7. DD gave up her nighttime drink around this age. If he was hungry, he would drink it - beaker or no beaker! Hope you're ok. I'm building myself up to no bottle and no milk during the might but am dreading it!

sorry that wasn't very literate ....hope it makes sense Bumps and good luck.

LMN thank you so much for that, I will get some full fat milk today.. He was clearly hungry as he has just eaten THREE breakfasts . Thank you for reassuring me i am not selfish I was doubting myself at four this morning..

Do you think it would be bad to offer him some cereal before bed? I dont want to start a bad habbit but at the same maybe if he wasn't hungry he may sleep past 4? Or is that wishful thinking !!

Good luck with no bottle but if I can do it then anyone can as i am the weakest person in the world.....

I have to share a funny story with you all. Yesterday Jessica asked to go to the toilet so i opened the door for her and went back to washing up. I heard her talking and just assumed she was talking to Owen as he had followed her in their. After a couple of mins I heard her say " I am doing a big poo". At this point i thought I had better check on her and walked in to find her on the phone. I retrieved the phone from her and said hello to which a voice replied "Hello this is Kent police". I was mortified. Jessica had dialed 999 and told them she was having a big poo!!!

I had to confirm who I was and my address and that there was no emergency, she also advised me to keep the phone out of my daughters reach . Thank god she had a sence of humor though....

Bumps - read your post this morning did a huge post to you and then the computer ate it...

Anyway, sending you hugs - its hard getting child to stop bfing at any time, especially when they're over 1 and used to things a certain way, so you have my sympathy. Markstretch had to stop bfing Frank v suddenly for medical reasons a few months back - she moved him on to bottles and formula and had a rocky few weeks I think but was all ok in the end. Maybe worth FBing her?

If you're worried about milk intake, try the bottles again - we had to go bf cold turkey with Danny to get him onto bottles at 6 anda bit months and was horrible (he went 24 hours with no milk) but did eventually crack and have milk (did drink water from sippy cup and have solids). Once bottles were established we moved to mixed feeding (Bf morning and evening only and bottles other times - he was "fine" with it, still big bf fan not so keen on formula so will only take max 4 oz most days, but will take a bottle from someone else at bedtime if I'm not around). Really warm formula and MAM teats worked for us. Remember Owen bfs for comfort as well as nutrition so not bfing wont necessarily fix the night wakings - you may need to give him lots of extra cuddles etc to reassure him. Could you try giving him milk (v warm again) in a free flow sippy cup while cuddling him? He may surprise you. Otherwise lots of calcium rich food during the day, full fat milk in everything possible (plus butter to get his calories up) and a snack before bed (weetabix, milk and banana a good one) if he'll accept it.

And no, you're not selfish for wanting things to change. Just keep calm, consistent and loving towards Owen and all will be fine.

p.s. lol at the phone story Bumps. We've had to move our phone up onto the wall after Danny killed the last handset...

just a quick hello waves

BUMPS very funny emergency poo story!re BF I dont have any useful advise like dinky im afraid but hugs xxx Try not to worry about calcium there is loads in food too like cauliflower and dark green veg

Had a rough week with izzy but figured out why after discovering 2 front bottom teeth and 2 molars

bumps of course you're not selfish.
Ds1 hated drinking from beakers and training cups, I spent a fortune on lots of different ones till we found one that suited him.
I'd try to stay with a softer spout for now.
Boots do some good in-between bottles with a square teat.
I'm sure if you stay strong and consistent, it won't take long for him to realise things have changed.
Ds1 didn't drink much milk as a baby (bit more now) so before bed I'd give him a yoghurt, light enough to sleep on but enough to fill any little gap in his belly.
Good luck with it

Hello littlesez

I took the boys swimming today with some friends. Jacob loved it. Luke did not. He wouldn't let go of me, but a few times and he should be fine.
Just doing dinner now, moussaka tonight, so will be back later x

Where is everyone????????

I'm here - just nothing to post at the moment....

Tell a lie - DS1 went through a hate swimming phase at around this age LBB (coincided with him walking - used to love water before that). Passed after a couple of months and he was back to being a water baby again.

Hello - I'm here too! Well, in body but not mind. Had a dreadful night with Sam last night and I have no idea why. Think it was a developmental blip as he's wanting to walk everywhere and tryig to talk very earnestly. Am shattered!

It could have been that is was just sooo quiet without any planes in the sky . It is a weird - in Chessington we are in a bit of a flight path and one of DD's favourite pastimes is spotting planes in from the garden. It's made us very busy at work - we do lots of business travel insurance and people are stranded all over the place. Our insurers are classing it as "adverse weather conditions". Well, I suppose it is a cloud of sorts!

I haven't caught up properly in a while as we have intermittent internet problems at home, but Bumps hope the feeding is going a bit better, you must be so tired.

SM glad your spleen seems ok. How are things without DP (glad you have your Dairy Milk to keep you company )? I've been on a bit of a downer with DH recently and now he's in a foul mood becasue he's had to sell one of his motorbikes because we're broke. Because I wanted to cut down to 3 days at work. Because I wanted children. etc!

Ho hum. And DD seems to be getting worse - more withdrawn and upset with other people around. Anyway, time to sign out now for the last push to the weekend.

Catch you all later!

Oh STW - sending you an enormous glass of your favourite cocktail, complete with an umbrella and swizzlestick, to cheer you up. Bet things look bad at the moment because of your sleep deprivation. If any consolation, Danny still crap at nights (sleeps through one in 5 at the moment - the rest are middle of night wails or parties in his cot). Hopefully Sam will be better tonight. And as for DH - well, having kids means making sacrifices for BOTH parents and the sooner he accepts that the better. As for DD - it may be that you're focusing on it more, kids (all kids) go through more introverted and sensitive stages. It could be she's coming down with something or that she's abit upset about something - hopefully it will pass. Fingers crossed you have a nice peaceful happy weekend.

Uh oh - LittleSez getting abit of a roasting on AIBU - check out her thread re feeding her 1 year old a healthy diet...

LittleSez - hope you're ok. Bear in mind that AIBU is where some of the less sane MNers hang out...

Hello Bah a couple of weeks since i last posted (shame on me) sorry.

How is everyone doing? Ok i hope. Just had a quick look at Littlesez's thread Dinky, she is getting a right pasting I dont post on AIBU usually - lots of mean mn'ers on there its up to littlesez what she feeds her DD, im sure she knows what she is doing.

Dinky i was on a conception thread with dinkytinky recently, i fail to see how ANYONE could mix her up with you lol - much too fluffy!

All going ok here, Milo is really turning into a toddler now, tantrums and as obstinate as can be - great fun though

STW You saw my fb status then. I was teasing dp. We're actually really good atm.
Sorry things are rough with your dh. It is a shame he's had to sell a motorbike, but you have also made sacrifices to have children haven't you so it's only fair IMO.
littlesez I'll pop over to AIBU to have a look at your thread.
To be honest, I try to stay away from there. People seem to disagree with you just for the sake of disagreeing, no matter what the subject is (or they are just insane as dinky points out).
rosie hello. We're ok. Luke hasn't hit the tantruming toddler stage yet, he is still in the annoying whinging stage
Right, dinner has just arrived (ordered in curry. yummy yummy yummy chicken tikka in my tummy!)

Ahhh very very of your curry, its my favourite Friday night thing

SilveryMoon - just saw your FB status and made me blush! Hope you have a lovely weekend. Your curry sounds nice -DH got a £10 M&S deal which we're having tonight (blows my diet out the water but hey, its a friday night..)

Rosie - good to know those who know me wont mistake me for the fluffy one. I think I'll live and let live unless she irritates me with too much fluffiness

Sorry dinks
I will think of something else to post.
Dp thought it was quite funny, so has served it's purpose!

Its ok SilveryMoon - was teasing you...

just posted? has disappeared

Just saying thanks for the support on the thread lovely ladies dinky and SM. Its ok there is nothing too horrendous, probably the worst was me being bonkers which is not that bad

hello all, been a bit manic here in RL so no time to get on and you dropped off my threads I'm on.

welcome back herbie and bumps you've been missed.

Bumps, of course you are not being selfish. I'm thinking stopping b/f H as A) I'm worn out, B) my boobs are almost down to my knees C) the little shit/darling keeps biting me. He now has two top and two bottom teeth so it hurts.

I agree that you need to keep trying with the bottle/feeding beaker and use full fat milk. If he is hungry, he will drink it.

dinky I think we should chase the imposter off with pitchforks.
Not sure I agree with your comment ref the less sane MNers being on AIBU. After all, you and I both go there

littlesez, sorry I didn't get on your thread but if its still ongoing I'll go over and stick my oar in and abuse a few people.

Ref feeding, H eats like his dad (barely able to use cutlery!)

He occasionally stabs things with his fork but usually uses his fingers.

he has been really off his food the last week or so as he has had a really bad cough tfor 16 days now. We've taken him to the gps a few times and today they finally took it seriously and gave him steriods and ABs which is fun trying to get into him. He is also back on the nebuliser again like he was a few months ago. Cough is ok in the day but at night it keeps him (and us!) awake and when he coughs really badly he is sick. He has been sick every night for 2 weeks and has lost 1/2 a kilo which is a worry.

Manic here as DC1 and 2 have been out here. They were due to leave here early hours of tomorrow am to return to UK/boarding school but this afternoon the inevitable happened and their flight was cancelled. No idea when they will be able to leave as airline won't even re-book them until airports open.

Hope everyone is ok? x