DEC 08 - Barely into toddlerhood and already at our tit's end

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Tit's end...had to be done.

Hope this works!

"Two"??? I can only for that one

Just a quick one as I have a blinding headache and I'm sure being on here isn't helping.

Ladyt, I am so pleased for you. Like everyone else has said the timing might not be great but I truly belive everythig happens for a reason. There is 27 months between my two, so more than some but they have recently started playing together and it is so sweet. DS looks at DD like she is his hero he always wants to be wherever she is!

DH appears to be over the anger (for now)arting to be a bit more emotional. he has also promised not to repeat his antics from Friday night which I was relieved to hear. He has just spoken to the vicar at our church and he will pop round to IL's later to say some prayers with her as MIL had asked. I actually think this will help DH too.

BTW veggie you always speak so much sense! Hope AK got on okay at school today, he has done so fantastically well with the move, obviously assisted by his fantastic mummy

that should read *starting to be a bit more emotional....

Lady, there will be 19.5 months between my two

ds has turned into a lightning fast stair climber
The minute dh goes upstairs, he is gone like a shot and hanging onto the gate at the top trying to work out how to get through

Oh my word, Lady. You must have the most sensitive boobs in the world. They had picked up on a pregnancy hours after the deed?! I hope you are feeling a bit better about things. The fact that I am very jealous says that I should maybe get going TTC myself and just accept less cheerfulness in Lake Como in April!

I have a very strange lurgey. A hint of a sore throat, but achey every inch of my body, feverish, exhausted and very fragile. Didn't go to work today but didn't even get to enjoy it by watching trashy TV because I felt so miserable. Slept almost the whole day. Really hope I feel better tomorrow.

Daisy - Thinking of you and your family in this terrible time.

Trace - Glad to see you back. Was thinking of you and wondering how you were. Hope P obliges with a bit of sleep!

We are in crazy teething mode. I have never seen anything like these molars, poor guy. He is getting these huge blood blisters on the gums right before the tooth breaks through. I've even found little stains of watery blood on his sheets in the morning. And he has puddles of drool down his shirt. This has honestly been going on for weeks now. I despair.

Sorry not to do more personals....I am feeling very sorry for myself and need to get back on the sofa!

Congratulations LadyT how amazing that you obviously knew. Although I can see it's tough if it's not your choice. Blimey. Only wonder is that you haven't got pg loads of times before .

There are 22 months between my two and it's worked out quite well - DS doesn't really remember when it was just him and was quite self sufficient/easily distracted when she was tiny. Pah. Self sufficient. Who I am kidding - I've just been upstairs to turn his hot water bottle over .

Veggie I'm so sorry about your DS1. Poor little chap. I can't think of what else you can do though - he will get there with the dutch and it doesn't take long but it must be heartbreaking . Hopefully the Thomas comics have got to you - if not today then tomorrow according to the sage in our local post office. And yes - let us take it in turns to send something over. DS really enjoyed picking them out.

Daisy I hope the prayers help your DH and family. I guess he'll feel all sorts of different things as time goes on. And it's not uncommon for men to get v angry at these things as Veggie says.

Aub and LadyT is heartrending to hear about your dreams.

Mom I hope you're feeling better. Poor you.

Good news in our house is that we've had 24 sick-free hours. And DD is back to her toddler self again - was just like having a newborn - she wouldn't be put down. Poor little mite. Right have a shed load of work to do this evening. Hmm - my smuggery about work life balance has come to bite me on the ass...

Hello all, I have been lurking and little time to post. But I just wanted to say to LadyT that I am so excited for you and know it will be lovely. I was ambivalent about having a second and only did it because I didnt want T to be an only, but although the pregnancy was hard the whole thing has been so much better than I thought it would be, and when they play together (which they do now) I'm so glad I did it. They are 23 months apart and I'm sure DS1 does not remember life before DS2. And I love them both the same, though I didnt think that I would be able to love a second one as much as I did the first. It has been so great I think about having a third about once a day. And anecdotally, I know quite a few people that found it really easy to concieve a second time, much easier than the first.

Glad things are OK Trace. Gotta go, loads of jobs to do and I am so knackered at the moment, but just wanted to say that I hope the prayers helped your DH, Daisy.

Oh, and Veggie, I just wanted to say from the SAHM discussion a while back, that though its hard to work, I do get payrises, pats on the back, performance reviews etc, none of which you get for being a full time parent. You do an amazing job with so little payback/feedback in that sense it is amazing ! I hope your DS1 starts to settle soon at school. My DS1 cried at nursery when I left him this morning and it really is horrible, made me cry too afterwards, I hate it. But then, I cant keep him sellotaped to my side all day, much as though I'd kind of like to !

have been lurking but just wanted to say:

ladyt - gosh gosh gosh, you were right all along. how exciting and daunting and terrifying and plain bamboozling. hope you and lordt come to terms with it - am sure it will be wonderful in the end!

daisy - feeling for you dreadfully, and your family and dh. sending as much love through the ether as possible.

aubs - that dream - you poor thing.

mom - i had exactly that same thing about 3 weeks ago. it lasted 48 hours with me. then dh got it and it turned into tonsilitis (but my constitution is far stronger than his) - hope you feel better soon.

well, i went to that lso concert and looked out for urbane and sybil (guessing from the house of lurgy that urbane didn't get there). i even approached a lady i thought might be sybil (looked very much like the person i met in clapham when we were all still pregnant, but instead of blonde hair, had dark brown hair) and gingerly asked her if she was sybil. the woman looked at me like i was mad and said no. that told me. i was also looking out for urbane, but couldn't see who i thought she might be.

madam is teething and being a bit mental at the mo. sleep all over the shop. although she's got into the habit of waking between 4 & 5.30, coming into our bed, feeding and then falling asleep until 7-8. this is unheard of. and while i anticipate this whole coming into our bed and feeding malarkey isn't going to be great in teh longterm, it is delicious (when she doesn't edge both of us out of the bed) and sleeping in until 7 or 8 is UNHEARD OF FOR US. how on earth did i manage waking up at 5.30 for so long?

i was feeling strangely sick this morning, v uncharacteristic for me, so took a test, but negative. think i'm quite relieved. feel that i can barely manage with madam, let alone with another one. but i do desperately want another. theoretically. ho hum...

WG, I am so grey now that I don't know if mere highlights can keep up so perhaps I should go dark. It's an omen. Sorry to miss Friday - alas the 2 littlies and I were a bit ropey in the tummy dept so confined to the house. Was it good fun?

Aubs, that dream sounds horrible, you poor love. Sending you many soothing thoughts.

How are things today Daisy?

Hello Cambridge girls, good to see you and good to hear about the skiing Jump. SOunds far too energetic for me, though I could be tempted into the apres if ever I were to brave the slopes.

Hello MOM, how are things on your side of the park? We should have a SE London mini meet one day as there are a few of us round here.

Another one in for the cheer up AK parcels. Veg, can you CAT me your address or email me? I have a new email address (well, it's a year old but it's not the same as the original one) which is my name as one word @btinternet.com. Does that make sense?

AM off now to watch saint delia making piedmont peppers. Do you think they are retro now? I LOVE them.

wg I'm so sorry about Friday was actually looking forward to it and then completely went out of my head in house of ill. hurrah for sleeping until 8 though.i would sell right arm for a bit more sleep at the moment. Right - still not done any work. Must crack on.

Just quickly though - hello Jump and SL - nice to have you back.

Hello again girls,
Well i am back, and I have some news. You have to not be annoyed with me ... but... I am also up the duff, about 13 weeks!! Sorry for not telling you earlier, but I wasn't really telling anyone, so I thought it better not to splurge it out on the internet (plus DH would have killed me, as he thought I shouldn't tell people - this is the guy who, however, said "OOh look, there's some lovely stilton....which you can't eat...." within 5 minutes of a friend coming round, and then wondering why she guessed - so maybe I should have spilled the gossip anyway). Anyhow, jj knew as she got it out of me when I wasn't downing the ales at our local pub (most people we met weren't drinking either, but I cannot get away with it being such a beer monster normally)

Anyway I haven't told work yet (but must this week as stomach getting suspcious already), so no facebook comments just yet please!!!

I think I am due about the same time as rubes beginning of August. It was meant to be end of July but my scan put me back.

LadyT I have also been lax on the folic acid front. There was an early on week where I did a test and it was negative, so I merrily went out drinking and carrying on as normal, a week and a bit later, it was positive. And I stopped the folic acid in between in quite a key early period. Oh dear. And i have forgotten it quite a bit at other times. But scan was ok.....so hopefully ok. Isn't there folic acid in some food, probably healthy vegetables, which is what you've been living on?

So anyway, I have not really enjoyed the last couple of months, as the peak of exhuasution hit, DS decided to wake up 2-3 times a night screaming, for up to 3 hrs at the time, I was getting in from work, having tea, and going to bed, which was shit. Predictably now I feel better he is sleeping better again. This doesn't bode well for sibling jealousy, the little sod must have a sixth sense.

Oh and our snowboarding holiday was amazing, we lucked out in that some people we were sort of holidaying with had 2 early pregnant ladies in their group. They didn't want to do much skiing and wanted some parenting practice, or just thought DS was cute or something, so they offered to babysit (it's their first, how did you guess?). So we took them up on that for a few hours, and also had a nanny for one full day and two half days. So all in all we both got some boarding in EVERY DAY. Which was great, and much better than expected. DS was a bit under the weather for some of the time there which was a shame but seemed to have a whale of a time otherwise. Also he got try out skis as DH bought him some baby plastic skis, which were hilarious!!

Oh and sorry for not telling you lot my news earlier, I was going to after the scan but I was grumpy with lack of sleep and though I was happy scan was all ok and everything, I was in a bit of a "how will I cope" mode and not feeling like sharing in good news!

wg watch out - do another test in a week!! You never know, I waited til 31 days after my period for 1st test, and it was negaative. A week later, there you go! Also I was sick the week before I did the test, i thought I got it from DS but it was very similar to the nausea I got later on. Also I loled at you approaching random lady and asking if she was sybil. I can just imagine you doing that (I would be far too shy!). DS also doing similar with the sleep, he wakes at 6ish hungry and goes back to sleep with us. One freakoid day it was 9am, at the weekend too, result!!!

LadyT there will be 19months between my two, this is almost exactly the same as my brother and I and it was an excellent gap. We were the best of pals growing up. Their birthdays will even be similar to mine and bros. Though my birthday is not quite as shit as Xmas day (poor DS)

Oh and Veggie lots of love to your little man, it must be very hard for him but it will get easier soon. Let us know what you think he'd like to cheer him up, I am up for posting him some cheerfulness, hehe, not our type of course.

trace it was nice to hear from you! Hope your meeting re whether you can stay at work goes well!

mom i hope you are feeling better soon.

Hello ladies I'm truely truely touched by your offers of little packages for DS1. I told Veggiedaddy and he thinks you are all just the loveliest people. I think ordinarily I'd say not to worry but you know it would be really nice for him to get some things from the UK he has been talking a lot about things from our life over there. However I'm just not sure what, Urbane has very generously sent a Thomas mag (not got it yet Urbane but expect it will be tomorrow), and most of the things he likes are perishable foodstuffs, Thomas yogurt might not travel so well. He loves the Thomas, Cbeebies etc magazines, milkyway chocolate stars and tracker bars that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Would it be naughty to just post my address here? I don't expect that anyone is stalking me and if they are the fact that I'm posting about being in the Netherlands would give me away.

Mom I'm with you on the feeling crap from a lurgy, DH is kindly going to drop DS1 at school tomorrow so I can stay in with DS2 in the morning. I think he and I will be having a low key day on the couch again. We watched Ben Hur today, DS2 liked the music.

Trace are you around? How was the appointment.

NJAN that is true but I'm lucky that I have a lovely DH that helps me feel appreciated.

I have been imagining all your LO's playing together (siblings I mean) I get a little weepy when I see DS1&2 playing together. DS2 just looks at his brother like he is just the most amazing thing ever, he just wants to do everything he does.

Oh gotta go grumpy boy...

Summer LIGHTNING, you dark horse! You minx! Many many congrats Anyone else, while we're at it? Yes, I believe there is folic acid in greens...but I will bring it up when I see the consultant (I haven't phoned her to book in yet, I hope she can do me as she is a goddess). Get you Cambridge contingent, with your snowy hols! I would love to see a pic of your DS in skis.

Thank you again, everyone, for the kind words and support. I am definitely cheering up about it now.

Sorry you are crook, Mom. That sounds unpleasant, as does the boy's teething. Bloodstained pillow? Jeepers...teething can be so brutal.

Speaking of illness, Urbane, I am so glad to hear things are improving sick-wise. It IS spooky that I knew and I am not prone to any of that sixth sense malarkey normally, but I knew last time after ovulation as well.

WG, I am sad for you, looking out for people at the concert who weren't there...hope it was lovely nonetheless. And hurrah for the lie-ins.

NJAN, do you think you will have a DC3?

For those who are pregnant and don't yet know the sex, we should have a little bet about who's having what. (Although some might want to keep it private of course.) I 'feel' like it's another girl but according to the Shettles Method (if indeed that holds any water) it is more likely to be a boy as the child was conceived on the day I ovulated, I reckon. Last time was a couple of days before ovulation, hence a girl. But I am getting carried away, seeing as I am still in the danger zone.

OH, and a big hug to Aubi re: the horrid dreams...

Yes, do post your address, Veggie.

Oh no DS vomiting again, and DD has a temp of 39.5 and is really miserable. She doesn't have any other signs of being v poorly though so just keeping an eye on her. Gaah. Looks like another night of no sleep. If any of you are there and have tips for keeping temp down let me know. We're doing calpol and ibroprufen and the window open and she's stripped to her nappy.

Trace I meant to say it was really thoughtful of you to say that I would find it hard being back in A&E as that was where we were when she was so sick. I hadn't really thought until I got there. Glad you're feeling a bit better.

Summer congratulations!!! So pleased for you.

Today is my full day at work so will be back this evening for personals.

Hope you are all well.

Oh Congratulations Summer, it will get really exciting later this year on here

Both my boys were concieved pretty much on top of ovulation or just after, I dont know if that fits with the shettles method.

LadyT I would love another, and DH is up for it, so maybe. I think it would be very tiring but then DH has stepped up to the plate more since DC2, so he knows more would be expected of him wit DC3. But we cant afford to have 3 at nursery so I guess it depends how we feel at the end of this year.

I think its because I am one of 7, so 2 feels like a very small familynto me. But then the boys are so close and loving, perhaps a third would be dropping a bomb in. Apparently cars and holidays are much more difficult. And I am getting quite old now, so we will have to see. But definitly on the agenda. But then also, I fell in a month 3 times before, so I'm assuming it might be easy to get pregnant next time, but it really might not.

Kayz Any luck with DHs job search ?

Gotta go, am skiving from making sandwiches.

Congratulations Summer! Sorry to hear you've a rough couple of months. The first trimester is pretty grim - you feel rotten, it's too early for a scan and you can't tell anyone! I hope you have a peaceful time to make up for it.

Urbane: DS2 has been very hot as well, not sure if it's a bug (DS1 also had it) or teething. He just gets v v hot, has some calpol and recovers. No idea what's going on. Hope your DD and DS recover soon.

MoM: molars are hideous, aren't they? No bleeding here but v v sore gums and not eating much.

Daisy: hope your DH is OK.

LadyT: you've been eating healthily and cutting back on the cheerfulness, so I'm sure all will be fine. Folic acid in green veg, some fruit I think and breakfast cereal (if you eat it).

Veggie: do you mean post an email or home address? I wouldn't post a postal address tbh, but you can post your email and then ask for it to be deleted once everyone has noted it down. But then you have to respond to all the emails as well! It's good of you to let us indulge ourselves, I love sending off little packages and DS1 will have a great time choosing something. It will probably include sweets if he has anything to do with it, so if there's anything you like your DS1 to avoid then let me know.

Congratulations Summer! I was a little suspicious of you I must say, as you said you were trying and then became very quiet around here I'm still wondering about Katie, and any other preg lurkers out there?? When is your due date. Are you CS -ing? I can't remember.

Oh well done to LadyT and Summer - how exciting for you both.

LadyT - so glad you're coming round to the idea now - I'm sure it'll all be ok in the end - these things have a habit of coming good. Hurray!

Summer - well done you - that's wonderful news. And glad you're starting to feel better.

Gosh, a whole rash of summer babies on this thread! Exciting!

Ooh, I had a sudden remembrance of something to do with Kylie Minogue... A friend of my sister's snogged her years ago and said she had absolutely disgusting breath - hee hee! Obviously the hygienist hadn't started to work her magic at that point in her career!!

daisy - hope you're doing ok. Thinking of you and DH a lot. Keep your chin up and hope your headache has gone now.

We've been in Shropshire and the Wirral this weekend. In fact, I drove back last night and didn't get home til 10.30. YAWN! DD said her first relevant word on Saturday afternoon, then repeated it on Sunday morning, so it wasn't a fluke! She says "Daddy" while pointing at everything, so it's not that special, BUT my sister in law has a gorgeous golden retriever and DD was stroking her on Saturday and said "aaah, doddy". which of course sprung tears to my eyes. The on Sunday, the same thing happened, except she even managed doggy this time. Brilliant! V chuffed! Obviously she hasn't said it since, but still - thrilled. How sad??!

Lots of love to all.
x

urbane I hope everything is better this morning!

Rubena can't remember, I think it may be 6th August, but as it changed I can't remember now!! CS - not sure yet. Apparently hospital will talk to me about VBAC, I guess I have a choice though. If I knew I could have a straightforward normal birth I would go for that, as better for looking after DS.

LadyT according to adjusted dates, I conceived when I was ill with Hand Foot and Mouth, during which time there was definitely No Action. So the little swimmers would have been hanging around a bit, meaning more likely to be a girl according to these methods, no?
I have a feeling it is a girl, but I think this may be why!!

Also I think we are decided not to find out what it is at 20 week scan....fancy a surprise.

DS is waking up again the last two nights. He was furiously demanding milk at 1am last night. Sigh. DH and I are fighting about it again. It's only been 2 nights after 6 nights of sleeping through again, but he already wants to do controlled crying or similar. I am just not convinced it will work.....

Summer, did you have emerg cs last time then? or Planned? If it was E-C/S keep in mind the recovery is much quicker after a planned one. I had the cs at 10:30am, home by noon the next day, and sightseeing with the fam on Day 5 -no special pain meds just good old Ibuprofen at home. Of course things can go different to that, but on a good day it's very nice If you want to experience a natural, I think you are brave (to use a more tactful word ) but I'm not at all envious!
Well must get organised to collect dh after his op - not making him stay overnight now

Yes, emergency, recovery similar to yours though, out in 24 hrs.
But I didn't have a 10kg+ toddler to lift last time!

Yes I won't be lifting him thankfully! Although I did look at photos the other day from when I was sightseeing that week after I had ds and I kept forgetting and I am carrying my 4 y/o niece in some pictures at the Museum!!! I remember evryone kept reminding me and it wasn't for long but still shouldn't have.
I must have been mad stupid as I also had both parents, brother & g/f plus 3 kids staying with us in a 2 bed flat!

Then I hosted Christmas!! This time I'm having no guests until about 2 weeks after - although mil is possibly popping in

afternoon ladies I'm camped out on the couch feeling sorry for myself. I wrote a post this morning but my itouch battery ran out and I lost it all. I cannot remember anything I wrote either.

I know I must have said congrats to SL, so chuffed for you and also pleased with all the August babies, that was when DS1 was born. Amazed you had the energy snowboard! I did giggle at E's little skis.

Speaking of extreme sports, DS2 has the same daredevil streak as DS1. He has already started standing up on our skateboards (longboards we're not proper skaties)! I also caught him at the top of his slide with his little ride on car thing ready to fly down. As it was at a skewed angle I don't think it would have been pretty.

Rubs we do try to get out on the weekend as much as we can but I have to say we got out a lot less while I was preggers as I was just too tired. It was more DS1 & DH going out.

I really cannot remember what else I said and need to put my head down as feeling really crap

Oh Urbane hope your lot feeling better. Another thing fir reducing temps is a cool cloth around the neck or under the arms. Basically on the lymph nodes. Just watch when you try to cool down if you notice goose bumps or shivering pop a light cover over as the body will try to warm itself up if it's skin gets cold. I know it seems weird if they have a temp but it is just a normal reaction and can increase the already high temp.