October 2009 babies - Waving arms and gummy smiles make the sleepless nights worthwhile.

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Here we are on the other side-finally. Well done ladies!

On 2nd lot of AB's and they are suitable for BF so no expressing needed.

HC
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Just a quick message as off for my postnatal check in a minute. Joseph feeding constantly-yesterday, I basically sat and did nothing but feed and wind all day after an awful night when he was awake all night. Slighhtly better night last night but I am so tired. Spilt boiling hot water over my tummy yesterday because I was so shattered I missed the cup. BF counsellor says this is a grwoth spurt and to carry on feeding on demand, that it may well last a few weeks. Has anyone come through a growth spurt that has lasted a few weeks with their sanity intact?

DH off to work 11-10pm and the day is stretching out before me-I'm so tired that I'm struggling to hold Jospeh for the ages that he likes. Have spoken to hv but she is very focused on our co-sleeping and is making me so anxious about SIDS (she keeps going on about it and throwing "50% of babies that die of SIDS do so through co-sleeping" stats at me)that I am dreading every night. He just wants to be held all the time and will only sleep lying on my chest, I don't know what else to do-I can't even adopt the UNICEF safe co-sleeping position because he wants to be on me. So I lie there, making sure he's breathing and not sleeping myself. I am so,so tired.

smallone will dig out the info on exaggerated latch for you and post later

peachespaige Bless your DS, he sounds like a little angel and a wonderful character. Sodding schools and their stupid targets, ignore the teacher

On my way out - but just wanted to say HT this will pass and before you know it you'll miss holding him and feeding him all day.

ht In my experience growth spurs usually last a few days (a week at most) so don't worry!

peaches a proper foundation stage classroom should be focusing mainly on play with very little structured work (if any at all) Did your ds start in september? It sounds a bit heavy handed to be focusing on the academic side of things at such an early stage. Next time ask them how they are encouraging 'learning through play'! (I am a foundation stage teacher btw )

Amelie has her first injections today I'm dreading it! Anyone else had them yet? Also going to ask about swine flu jabs for my other two. Is anyone else with older dc's going to get them done? I'm undecided at the moment...

Have a good day everyone

PS Have approved everyone who has requested so far.

Hi can someone please tell me what to do for facebook.I can just keep it to this group can't I ? and what are the benefits to facebook as opposed to mumsnet?my name is Natalie

I will still keep posting on here.

I am a little confused

(Crappy laptop has just deleted the last two - long - messages that I've posted. In a rush now so you'll have to put up with the abbreviated versions.)

Hi to everyone. Glad to hear that there are some breakthroughs with the nights.

littlepea - sorry to hear about all you're going through. Don't know if you're in Aldershot at the mo but my mum volunteers for the Home Start there so I know that the playgroup would be a great place for you to visit. All the volunteers have to be parents themselves, unlike MWs and HVs, so there'll be somebody there who can at least be a sympathetic ear for you. at your DH for what he said but hope it was in the heat of the moment and the two of you can get past it. Hope things get better soon and that you can all enjoy being a family.

HT - things sound really tough. My GP told me that research has shown that it really doesn't harm babies to be left to cry for a little while. I know it's really horrid, but you could try it for short periods and see if he can settle himself at all. You need your sleep so that you can be in control. at your HV for being so unsupportive. I think the trouble is that they are 'told' what to say IYSWIM and can't actually give advice that would really help you. I hope he starts to sleep better soon.

peaches - appalled to hear about your DS's parents evening. I know nothing about schools and education (got all that to look forward to!!) but it really sounds wrong to me. I know that they can't tailor education to suit every single individual but it really does sound as if his teacher is ignoring his needs. I suppose one thing we can all be grateful for with our October babies is that they'll be one of the oldest in their year so a bit more ready for school when they start. But your DS sounds absolutely lovely and you're obviously doing a brilliant job as his mum.

am not an expert facebooker or even particularly regular but will try and join the group later. I'm Sarah btw.

peaches that sounds heavy at school.Our children also do alot of academic work at school but not as much as that and certainly not as much pressure at age 5

Happy Christmas yes I have finally lost it !!!

We had Christmas day yesterday. My mums 2 sisters have come to visit one from France the other from London. so yesterday we did Christmas.I put up some lights, decorated the table and did a full Christmas dinner, with Christmas pudding!!. We had carols playing and crackers.It really felt just like Christmas but without the stress I laughed all the way through it.Oh and the children including the baby put on hats and scarves and did some carol singing.

I am sleep deprived and exhausted but it was such fun !!!

Ps no men as they were at work, golf etc.

Hello all.

I feel a bit teary reading your posts...he is a lovely lad and one of the youngest in his year, he's now year 1.

Fidelma I love Christmas!!

HT ds2 slept on my chest for ages. I really reccomend puting a crib mattress or moses mattress next to you in bed, that way he is still so close to you but in his own bed if you like.

Growth spurts last a few days. Just think when Joseph is bigger you will be adored in your house as the only lady!! I have no experience of girls but I know that little boys adore their Mums, they really do.

fidelma I think the main idea with the facebook group is that it's a bit more private than mumsnet as it is only the members who can view the content. That means that we can share photo's (and real names!!) with each other without them being accessible to all on mumsnet. I think we are all still posting on here mainly.

I've requested membership on FB - VWC

Haven't been around much since all the slapped cheek worries - have popped in to check on you all but never found the time to update on me !!

Will return soon ..... she says !

peaches , how awful for you, DD1 has just left year 1 and there was not that much pressure on her then , even now in year2 and her SAT year there is not really so much pressure can you make an apt to see the head?
i have just received a letter from the HV that they are coming to see me on the 17th dec to discuss weaning have they changed the age again? she will only be 13 weeks then and having second lot of injections that day

Have just set up facebook account and requested to join(Stella)

morning all

Crappy night chez Ruby but am getting used to it (weird)

she has her 8 week jabs today

hope everyone is ok - HT growth spurts can last a while ... i spoke to the breastfeeding helpline and she said 8/9 weeks is a bit of a feeding frenzy too

Am trying to get Ruby to take a bottle but she is not impressed

anyway - she is awake so must dash

will pop back later

Not sure what is going on now. Took Joseph to a new clinic to be weighed today. He has only put on 5.5oz in 2 weeks after all that feeding. Hv a bit concerned especially as he's not doing many poo nappies(about once every 5 days). Wondered if it was a combination of the antibiotics and mastitis making the milk taste funny. He fed for hours last night then zonked out at 2am. I've been in tears since we left, I keep thinking of that hospitalm midwife saying I was starving my baby. DH can't understand why I'm upset at all but it was such a shock.Bearing in mind the amount of feeding I've been doing, I can't believe its only 5.5oz.My mum is coming up tomorrow and is already going on about me supplementing with formula.

HT - does he seem ok? If so, then maybe he is a skinny baby?

offer the breast as much as possible, both sides at each feed ... can you have a bit of a baby moon at the weekend and stay in bed with him and let him feed?

Ruby is such a porker - she is 9 lbs 13 oz so putting on around 8 oz PER week but then my DS was like this and it levelled out a lot

Ring one of the breastfeeding helplines or put a shout out for TikTok on here

pooing every 5 days isn't so much of an issue if that is waht is normal for him IYSWIM

poor you - is his latch ok ...

ruby I had a bf counsellor come out last week and she tweaked latch and positioning. She observed me feeding again on Tuesday at bf cafe and said it's now all looking fantastic. HV said he seemed alert and happy enough.H's certainly a lot calmer than yesterday.

All I can think about is the feeding frenzy that has been the last 48 hours and that bloody midwife on postnatal telling me I was starving my baby. Thats really stayed with me.

Babymoon not possible for most of weekend as my mum is coming up but we have weekdays and she'll be gone by 3pm Sunday.He was doing so well until now, I was so proud I'd persevered with bf through the blisters and mastitis.

Can someone please give me the link to the facebook site.Thanks.

HT 5.5oz is still a good weight gain.Don't get too stressed if baby is happy I am sure he will be fine.DD1 was a nightmare to settle.I got completly exhausted having her on me all the time it is totally draining.DS1 and 2 both have had to be put down in their cots at various points as I have had to deal with the other children and often in 10 mins they would be asleep.I often didn't recognise that they were tierd and just needed to sleep.We used to say that the girls couldn't go to sleep without having a wee cry.wierd i know!I know that we don't mention that book (which I through in the fire with dd1 by the way)but the sleeping times were very usfull eg. up for 2 hours then they need a nap etc.Sometimes sleep seems to lead to more sleep and overtierdness can lead to not being able to sleep. I hope some of this helps you a little. PS no sleep angles in my house but I can put Connor down in his mosses basket and get some peace.Thinking of you I have been there xxx

sorry loads of spelling mistakes

Hey...havent had a chance to catch up yet, just wanted to let you all know that i now know what is wrong with Faith. My 7 week old baby is teething! Should of known as my DS cut 2 teeth at 4 months, but Faith is beating that. Thats were all the wind & sickness & crying comes from....what joys lol....

HT Annalise didn't put ANY weight on for 2 weeks once, even after hard feeding days, and even now only puts on c120gm a week... I also worry as she vomits so so much, but midwife says its ok. And she just will not nap at all today, just cranky and puking

Hi again to ICBINB, feeling nostalgic for birth stories, please feel free to post yours!

Hello and hugs to everyone, I miss having that Friday afternoon buzz, I want a weekend break please!

Hi all

Had a fright with Matthew this morning at mum and dad's. Had M sat in his car seat in the kitchen and mum and I needed some suet from the shops so dad said he'd watch M if I brought him into the dining room. As the handle was pushed down I pressed the levers to lift it up and somehow the motion of it tipped the car seat and catapulted M across the floor and he landed face down on the tiled floor. I really didn't know what I was going to see on his face when I picked him up. Thankfully he was fine but I wasn't. It was awful.

M woke at 2am and 4am so very good but he was so congested I had to lay him on my pillow so I was practically hanging off the edge of the bed. I put Snuffle Babe balm on his nose and chest. I have Karvol Drops but it says for 3 months and over and M is not quite 2 months yet. Don't know whether to risk putting some on a handkerchief. Had a Pampers E-Mail saying don't jump out of bed everytime your baby cries as they might just be entering a deeper sleep and often cry at this stage of sleep. I just can't leave him crying though.

HT-keep up with the exclusive BF as you are doing so well. If Joseph is happy and well then don't worry too much about the charts.

littlepea- at teething already.

ruby-sorry your night was not so good. Hope the jabs were OK. M has his on Tuesday.

peaches-I would be upset too if the school said that. My DD1 is in year 2 and doesn't have to do that yet.

Waves to everyone else.

Bed soon

HC
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HT so sorry you have unsupportive HV. Can you ask to see a different one? I agree with other posts that sometimes if you leave them a couple of minutes more than you can usually bear, they will drop off.

Also please don't panic about 5.5oz, I've just checked dds red book and she used to go between losing an oz to gaining 4oz in a week. HVs weren't too concerned but they did have me weighing in weekly, which made me really obsessed with it. Eventually I came across a different HV who said to come once every month as it would give a better representation. DD wobbled between the 9th and 25th centiles until she was 6mo and started on solids, then she shot up to the 75th! DS seems to be doing something similar, but its so much easier now that I know that dd turned out ok.

You could ask if they've got a BF growth chart as his gain may look better on that.

HC DS has a cold too, am using saline drops and putting karvol on a piece of kitchen roll and tucking it down the side of his moses basket. HV said that was fine, or she also suggested putting karvol in hot water in the room to humidify the air. He was up at 1,3,4,5, and 6 last night, mostly because he couldn't breathe properly.

fidelma don't know how to link to fb but twinkle did one on page 3, about 2/3rds of the way down.

Hi there... I'm newish to mumsnet (a few weeks) and have an October baby. And I'm a first timer. Am I allowed to join? I know I have missed out on loads and it might be a bit strange... But I've been lurking the last few days and finally plucking up the courage to ask

Welcome Igglybuff, congratulations on your baby, feel free to post your birth story if you like, enjoy the thread