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bodenaddict · 16/09/2009 17:51

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missjackson · 15/10/2009 00:37

Lenni no sleep here either... for me! Am shattered but can't sleep. N was a nightmare this evening and wouldn't go to sleep - finally I went to bed with him at 9pm and he went out like a light. Read for a while, but now wired so thought I would get up for some cheese and biscuits .... he is in middle of our bed though (OH away), so may fall out at any moment ... pillows surround bed so should be a soft landing.

Anyway, the place is called Dick Whittington farm, it's near Ross and very easy to find. I thought it was a great place to meet too as has fun indoor play area for DDs to go off, plus nice animals outside. So excited! Shall we meet around 11 or 12? 11 or 11.30 good for me as N can have his morning nap en-route...

Thanks for thoughts about BF-ing... gumps I know they legally have to help out with expressing but the nature of the job means I just wouldn't have time to relax for 10 minutes. 14 hours non-stop; it's totally crazy. But that's only for the last 4 weeks - the first part I will have more regular hours and can take breaks to express. We live about 30 mins away, so OH could bring him at lunchtime for a feed, at least for the first few days. I am sure it will all work out - it's all odd shifts here and there, so every day he will get at least one good feed with any luck.

Glad the ss thing worked out elkie, and good luck at GPs.

gumps (such a funny name for such a gorgeous lady!) Poor S and poor you - it sounds like no fun at all. No wonder it is getting you down. Yet still up for another! .

MM hope you managed to get to bed... let us know if the WW book can shed any light... would be nice to know when we can expect this stage to pass!

missjackson · 15/10/2009 00:38

x-posted with you tree - is the H-bomb still asleep on you? Good luck tomorrow!

missjackson · 15/10/2009 00:58

Gosh tree, sitting here in tears now after reading that thread ... hate the thought of any sort of violence. Bastard bastard bastard.

No hope of sleep now ..

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 01:03

Oh God it's too awful isn't it. She has gone though - the little ones in this case should do ok. Poor people. She seems strong and savvy and able. All power to her.

We're very lucky, sleep or no. We are safe and nutured. I hope we all are anyway.

Bastard indeed. It's unbearable.

missjackson · 15/10/2009 01:09

Yes, she sounded very calm. She is doing the right thing. Ughhh, literally want to kill ... the thing I value most about OH is his utter gentleness.

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 01:12

Same here. Totally. He just wouldn't, isn't, couldn't. I'm more likely to be angry than him!

I think she is just completely zoned out. probably good for timebeing.

The local poster offering lots of help is on her own thread with her own massive issues and problems. So sad a world for so many.

Have had so many emotions and fight and flight hormones my milk has let down all over the place!!

missjackson · 15/10/2009 01:17

Yes, very strong emotions here too. Can't bear the thought of anyone being in that situation . Well done you though, you were brilliant.

Off to cuddle my precious boy now... wishing you peaceful sleep and sweet dreams x

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 01:21

Night night.

tinkbig · 15/10/2009 09:01

morning

definetly going to stay here with dd1 and rest in half term hull will be 2 much!! she is exhausted poor thing!!

oh yes what purchases tree

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 09:43

Heeeelp! Someone has replaced my fairly full on dd2 with some sort of pop diva on speed! She is only happy if she has eye contact and is jumping, ripping, kicking, babbling, nipping or pulling. Mainly me. She will not be put down but only head butts me when I hold her. She is too bonkers to have her bottle and just flings herself about.

Whassthisabout???

is this in your book Moose? When will it pass?

moosemama · 15/10/2009 10:18

Gosh what a twilight zone thread we were last night. Its got to be developmental surely, with them all being at it at the same time.

Sorry guys. Child transfer was executed perfectly and rather than get my book out, I decided to dive into bed and try to sleep while I had the chance. Will have a look in the book and report back shortly.

I know you'll all hate me, but we all slept from then till 7.30 this morning - I even slept through dh's snoring, so I much have been really exhausted.

BUT that cold has finally caught up with me. (See what happens if you let your PMA slip!)

Ds1's recovery was short lived, I think he was just being brave because he wanted to go back to school today. We have had tears this morning because he's missing his friends and will miss one of the 6 week course of Judo lessons. He doesn't seem too bad for a while, then he starts coughing again and he is still a funny colour. Still got a poorly tum as well. I would call the GP, but they will triage him and you have to take the only appointment they offer. They only give you half an hour's notice of the appointment time and unfortunately I can't get there via two buses with both dc's in that time. I have had an argument with them about it before, but they just say if they gave me a later time there wouldn't be enough for later triage patients.

Would it be wrong to keep him quiet and if he's no better this evening, call the out of hours number as they will see him straight away and dh will be home to drive us there. I think someone ought to listen to his chest really.

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 10:22

It wouldn't be wrong. Your health care provision [that you pay for and have equal entitlement to] is totally outside your means of access.

You have grounds to move GP to one nearer/more accessable.

Congrats on sleep - I bet you feel worse today. Sorry! I always do when I get surprise hours, it's like the body relaxes and says 'oooo yes please, more more more'

moosemama · 15/10/2009 10:33

Thanks Tree. We have looked into moving to a new GP that is either a very long walk or shorter bus trip away, have heard good things about them as well. Its on the list. Lol.

I do feel pretty rough this morning, I think it was the sleep that allowed my body to relax and this flippin cold to sneak its way in

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 10:37

Yes thats it - your body relaxes. All ends in snot tears.

btw: I am only saying this to cheer myself up as am very was up till 2, then 2.30, 4, 4.45, 6, and 7 for the school run.

DD asleep [the nutter] but can't do same as medication is being delivered by courier. The power of the pound, wish her formula came by courier.

I don't know if it's hard to change GP's, presumably paperwork.

moosemama · 15/10/2009 10:40

I don't think it is hard, I presume its the same as when you move house, just fill in a form and they arrange for your notes to be transferred. Its just one of those things, never a priority until its a problem, iyswim.

Poor you, I would be zombified and gibbering with that little sleep. I am in awe of how you are still awake and making sense.

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 10:43

Ha. You can't see the way my hair falls flat from the weight of grease, or how the clothes steam in their own grime on the floor.......

moosemama · 15/10/2009 12:10

Tree, I am sure you look beautiful.

I have just been in tears reading 'that' thread from last night. That poor, poor women and that poor little boy! My heart goes out to them. Many many moons ago I was the child that did a moonlight flit from my father with my Mum and sister, its all so bewildering for them. You were a great friend and support to her when she really needed someone Tree. I have to say again what an amazing person you are.

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 12:54

I dunno about either of those things Moose. I'm a regular lazy arse grump, and I sure aint no beauty

Sorry to hear of your moonlight flit Moose. I think it happened to many. I hope we hear from FA soon.

The ivf meds have arrived! They are pretty full on!

moosemama · 15/10/2009 14:20

Ooh meds have arrived, how exciting! Do you have to inject yourself? [sorry crap Moose hasn't read your other thread yet emoticon]

WARNING LONG POST, BUT WORTH IT

Right, have managed to glance at the book and yes, it is all pretty normal behaviour at this stage (between weeks 36 and 40, although may begin as early as 34 weeks and in some as early as 32). The fussy period usually lasts for around 4 weeks from when it starts in all but can vary and be anything from 3-6 weeks.

Words the book uses to describe behaviour at this time, cranky, whingy, fidgety, grumpy, bad-tempered, discontented, unmanageable, restless, impatient! Sound familiar?

They are moving into 'The World of Categories' apparently. This is when they start to understand that "certain objects, sensations, animals, and people belong together in groups or categories. For example, a banana looks, feels and tastes different than spinach, but they are both food."

It also says that babies' brain waves have been noted to show drastic changes around this age and these changes begin to change the way babies perceive the world around them. This is unsettling and disturbing for them at first hence the whole grizzly, clingy baby thing.

Behaviours that indicate your baby is going through this developmental leap:

  • She/he may cling to your clothes, become anxious when you walk around etc. Non-crawling babies will probably just cry, crawlers may follow you everywhere and cling onto you really tightly.

  • She may be shy and want to keep other people at a distance and her desire to be close to you will be even more apparent in the presence of other people - sometimes even in the presence of a brother or sister or even Daddy.

  • She may demand attention and not be at all content with being left alone. Some babies aren't satisfied until they have their mother's complete attention focussed entirely on them and some may become extra troublesome as soon as Mum dares to shift her attention onto someone or something else.

*SHE MAY SLEEP POORLY! Quote: "Your baby may start sleeping less well. Most babies do. She may refuse to go to bed, fall asleep less easily and wake up sooner. Some are hard to get to sleep during the day. Others at night. And some stay up longer both during the day and at night. (Hmm sounds familiar!)

  • She may have nightmares and become a very restless sleeper, sometimes yelling out and tossing and turning in her sleep.

  • She may on occasion act unusually sweet, employing entirely new tactics to stay close to you. She may opt for kissing and cuddling you rather than whining and grizzling and may switch back and forth between both behaviour types in an attempt to figure out what works best.

  • There may be a resurgence of 'babyish' behaviour, such as needing to be rocked or fed to sleep.

  • She may lose her appetite and become less interested in food and drink.

How you may feel:

  • Insecure and worried about baby's behaviour.

  • Exhausted and suffering from headaches, backaches and nausea.

  • Aggravated/irritated by baby's behaviour and moods and clinginess.

  • May feel like giving up breastfeeding due to the constant fickle nature of baby sometimes wanting to feed, then not wanting to etc.

BUT THERE IS HOPE

Between 40 and 45 weeks another relatively easy period sets in and you will notice your baby's progress, independence and cheerfulness.

So some respite up until around week 46 and then it starts all over again!

treedelivery · 15/10/2009 14:25

Laughing my ass off as we are all those things.

Except loss of appetite - she had a bowl of bolognese for lunch, and she is not grumpy. Just blooming mental! She still smiles all the time, but becomes crazed if I break eye contact.

It's not easy to mumsnet when you have to keep eye contact with a wriggling baby!

Thanks Moose. That book is class.

tinkbig · 15/10/2009 15:31

oh interseting mm - dd2 is 38 weeks and has been abit more grumpy etc

sorry you have cold

tree- sounds fun

Soccerette · 15/10/2009 15:57

I'mmmm Bacccccccccccccck!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!

Massive hugs for you all and your bubbas. From Esme and i xxxx

moosemama · 15/10/2009 16:10

Helloooooo Socerette!

Welcome back!

What've you been up to since we last heard from you? How you found a new house yet? Oooo, so many questions!

Well, following a huge ruckus after we fetched ds2 from school, I have just been shouty Mummy at ds1. Firstly for running down the stairs whilst shouting (despite being told to keep quiet as dd was asleep - first nap all day) and secondly for continuing to shout over and at me when I leapt into the hall to tell him to be quiet! He claims he was being chased by his brother, but I happen to know that he was teasing said brother, which is why he chased him. Ds1 is such a tease and a bully to ds2 sometimes, its awful.

I just asked ds1 how he would feel if I decided to start treating him the way he treats his brother and he said "I would have to find a new Mommy!" So obviously I then pointed out that if he wouldn't like to be treated like that then he should understand how ds2 feels and not treat him like that either. Apparently I am wrong though and despite admitting that he would hate to be treated that way, he still refuses to admit that the way he treats him is wrong.

So, how do you argue and prove your point, when the other party is 7 years old and completely illogical? Argh! I think I might finally have lost my last marble!

Empathy is one of the things that ds1 really struggles with and it used to work really well to get him to think about a situation where he was on the receiving end (kind of putting himself in the other guy's shoes) but this seems to be losing his potency at the moment. Sometimes it seems like the older he gets, the less he is able to see things from other people's point of view.

Am I reading too much into it? According to my sister all 7 year old boys are the same and this too shall pass. Guess only time will tell with ds1.

moosemama · 15/10/2009 16:11

Soccerette, sorry! I knew something didn't look quite right about it.

Soccerette · 15/10/2009 19:00

Moosey We have moved into converted barn which we have rented for 6 months. Beginning to look for something to rent. Loving the area. How are you? and LO?

How is everyone else??? Anyone care to give me a over view? :-p

Esme update- No signs of crawling, but pulls self to standing on big objects. 2 bottom teeth. Bothered her for about 48 hours, back to happy self now.