June 2005 babies

[uwila]

Hi everyone. Thought it was time we have a post-natal thread.

Glad you are all at home safe and sound Bubb.

Bad night here - DS2 is just not sleeping at night at the moment, or rather he is, but only in one or two hour stints and it's doing me in. He's completely overtired now (like me ) and needs a nap but I can't get him to drop off. Feeling like bursting into tears actually. Grrrrrrrrr. No chance of a routine here despite my best intentions - now I just want him to sleep anywhere, at any time.

DS2 is very mucous-y, sounds very snotty and grunty at night but I have no idea what to do about it. Off to the baby clinic this afternoon to see what they think.

Sorry for me, me, me post, feeling very sorry for myself today. Hope you all had a better night than me.

Morning.
Good to hear little Oscar is back at home Bubb.
MrsW - sympathies - we had a rotten night too. ds seemed in a somewhat better mood all day (as an annoying paed claimed ds is not gaining enough weight - 3850g at nearly 8 weeks from under 2650g at lowest with 2 v small parents - what do they want??? - we went over to Cologne to a bf/lactation counsellor, which was really good), but in the evening started wanting the breast every hour for at least 20 mins and this went on until about 3am . In the end he and I must have dropped off together in bed and must have woken up about 7ish. He's been quite grumpy all morning too, or rather erratic - he'll be all sunny and grinny one moment and wailing the next. I'm beginning to wonder whether all the new people, sights, smells here are still upsetting him or whether the cats (or their hair) don't agree with him - although he doesn't seem to have any typical allergy symptoms like breathing diffs or stuffy nose. Am a bit concerned because this is the first time he's had this kind of night. Any ideas, oh you wise mummies?
Anyway, am test weighing ds's nappies now to avoid the dreaded supplementation! Fun fun fun.

Afternoon all!

Bubb- so glad you and Oscar are home and doing well. Many hugs to all fo you. What a scare!

MrsW and berolina, I am thinking(should say hoping!!!!) that this general unsettledness must be the heat. It makes me cranky, it must be even harder when you cannot complain !
We had a horrible might do, with DS basically wanting feeding every hour or more often (I try not to watch the time not to get too distressed...)
He also seem to be waking up like your, MrsW, snorting, sounding like he can breathe through his nose. \nothing coming out of it though. I went to baby clinic and got no good advise... If you do, pass it on! pretty please...

Berolina, regarding baby growth.... We are having some problem with my DD which is falling slowly off every curve. While I was searching for explanations I learnt that there is something called "thrive lines" that are supposed to be better than growth curve to determine whether there is a real problem. Also, I just decided to plot my and dh's baby weights to see how we did... It turns out that although Dh is bigger than average, at least until 5 he was on the 9% centile (i.e. tiny!). That should give you an idea what is the genetic development pattern that your DS might have...

hey all

feeling better today so glad i ve got mn!!

have been able to give dd 1-2-1 time so she s better hard to fit all in tho!

bubb glad yr home take it easy

Bubbaloo I am glad Oscar is ok and home what a scare, it could happen to anyone. I have been carrying DS up the stars in his travel seat and gripping shopping too. However when I went down to get the post the other day without him I fell up the stairs and have since banished the bag carrying at the same time as I saw if I had been holding him he would have had an accident.

I have posted on the meet thread. I will be bringing the baby of course.

God the neighbour has done away with the tshirt and was just stading in a bra later on in the day. Too much for my unsuspecting eyes specially as she must be like a 70ggg or something. Honestly I can't take it they are sapping my will to live what an eyefull

Lmao Pink, and you thought your pregnancy/milk boobs were big!!?

Bubbs, glad you are all home now

Gosh it's hard, hard work!!!!

Welshi, Red, I know what you mean about the older sibling Dd is still very young herself and is doing lots of 'over-loving' with dd2. I daren't leave them in the same room together. Her most 'jealous' moments are when I feed dd (bf), which takes time and obviously shows contact between us 2. DD1 has started to slap her sister on the head, I get cross, dd1 feels upset/cross/angry/pissed off/ glad she's annoyed me etc etc. I hate it, I only hope it wont last. I want to be able to have cosy time with dd2 without dd1 getting jealous. We're doing all the positives with dd1 and I know this is 'normal' but it makes you feel like shit, quite frankly.

Going to come back later, dd1 home from swimming with Daddy and boobs dripping

Lua, saw my health visitor today and she was useless. The grunty mucousy snuffles are just something that newborns do apparently, and breastfed babies often wake up every hour during the night, according to her. So no words of wisdom to pass on I'm afraid.

Managed to have an hour's sleep this afternoon when DS2 did, so feeling a bit better. Had DS2 weighed at the clinic and he has piled on weight so that has also cheered me up a bit.

Back later for a proper catch-up instead of moaning on about my woes

Evening all! Sorry to hear about the poor nights sleep - I am sure we are in for this tonight as ds has been crashed out all day with the heat. Kudos to all who are managing two at home on their own, I have come to realise that my sanity is entirely dependent on the fact dh and I are both here taking care of one small and generally compliant baby between us. I would have gone berserk if I was on my own during the day - so extra kudos to you Pink for managing on your own 24*7.

Bero, can't believe you are back to test weighing again but hope it helps you avoid supplementing.

Bubb, glad all is well with little Oscar. What a horrible scare for you. Don't tell him or he'll throw it back at you when he's a stroppy teenager

Took Toby to the baby clinic today, he's still not exactly gaining weight at a massive rate, at 3 weeks he has put on an ounce more than his birth weight. They're not concerned yet but I don't really think there's much I can do about it; he's fed on demand (and on the dreaded formula, sigh), eats regularly although not hugely, but hopefully they will just leave him to get on with it. I might try him on the variable flow teat again but it seems to come out too quickly for him and makes him gag. Any thoughts from bottle feeders?

Sorry I won't be able to make the southern meet, btw, central London might have been feasible for us but Reading is a very long way away. Hope you enjoy it though!

Evening girls

I do worry when dd2 sleeps all day. How can she possibly be tired at night??? But so far she has been.

Mrs W. Are you drinking enough water? Dd2 was similar when my milk first came in especially. I would have the odd glass of water when I fed but noth much more.. The mw suggested drinking loads, especially in the afternoon and evening to keep the milk supply up for late at night/ during the night. Not sure if this will help you or if there is other stuff I have missed. Is he one of the 'colic crew' ??

I'm not sure about a meet either. HOw boring. I just don't think I'll have the energy to get it together. I'm trying to keep life simple, dd2 is only 11 days old! After this week we have 2 weeks before we go on holiday and I am going to spend it slowly packing. It sounds mad I know, but I don't have a spare moment with the 2 of them. Then we'll be into mid August by the time we get back...

On a completely lighter note Anyone on here use YSL's 'Touche Eclat' ?? I have heard good things about it, but havent a clue what it is! A concealer of some kind? Grazia recommends it this week too Would it be ok for brown skin??? I'm in the mood to spend some money on me and not on nappies or cutey girls outfits

Hehe! so that's my desperate attempt to steer the thread away from dripping boobs, colic and sleepless nights

evening all.

Jonah - how did the bath go?

DD1 seems to have return to her oldself, DH has finished marking exam scripts and is around agian and she has reverted to lovely big sister, soo glad that her strops were Daddy related and not new baby.

DD2 has learnt to smile which is sooo lovely, she gave me the cutest grin today.

oh well going back to hunting for a new computer, our desktop is annoying and DH has earnt about 700 pounds marking exam scripts so going to replace the old desk top, think i shall start a thread asking for advice!!

We must organise another northern meet-up soon, i know KVG is another northerner!

hi there. any other junies up? half past midnight now here & it seems we're in for another night like the last - ds currently dropping off at boob but waking up and wailing when put down. is glugging away at boob again...
well, the nappy test weighing episode was v successful. did it for 24h and if that's anything to go by he is getting enough. lua, interesting to hear your ideas on this issue. i am 5'1, dh is 5'2 and was mistaken for a kindergarten kid in 4th year primary - at my graduation a few years ago, he (aged 25 at the time) went to the loo and while trying to find his way back someone asked him if he'd lost his parents!!!! so expecting us zo have an averagely sized baby is a little utopian i feel...
we took him to an osteopath today because with him being a ventouse delivery we thought it might help. osteo said he has a lot of tension in a particular point at base of skull, reckons it should get better now vut could get worse first. ds had a big question mark on his face during he session, trying (in a happy way) to work out what was going on. he is smiling too - despite all grizzliness and crying.

Morning all

I am going to venture into townand prhaps buy some clothes Thank god those smock tops are 'in' I'm just so sick of rotating 2 maternity tops.

Wish me luck!!

Thanks KVG, I will have a look at the Touch Eclat. I didn't mean tanned lol I actually meant, brown, as in half black I wasn't sure if it had a colour or not. I'll see.

Lots of love to all xx

Hello all,
These babies ay? Just when I think ds is going to give up on so much yelling in the evening he's taken it up again poor soul. Might be the heat, might not be, could be bloody anything really -through gritted teeth. Good job he's smiling at me now! I really miss my evenings.
Still at least I'm making headway on the co-sleeping front and he will now go down in his basket for at least the 4 hours until his first night feed, he'll go back in after too but his wind wakes him up 45 mins later and then I listen as he wriggles and groans for ages until a mighty fart is produced, then he thinks he deserves more milk before he'll go back to sleep. At least he doesn't cry at night though......Hey ho, onwards and upwards
Lippy - I tried touche eclat and it made big white circles round my eyes - I looked really wierd but as the snooty assistant informed me it is the best selling make up product in the whole wide world so it might work.
I've been trying hard to treat myself to something to wear that makes me feel better. New tops are hard as they have to be baggy enough to lift up easily and not too smooth as they show the delightful nursing bra/breast pad combination lumps and bumps. Skirts and trousers are annoying as I'm not the same size as I was before - still got about 8 or 9 lbs to lose. It is coming off pretty easily with the bfing though - thanks goodness.
Those are the preoccupations in the Welshie household this morning.
Love to all (sorry for the me me me post)

Hi all,
Sorry I?ve not been around since the northern meet up. It was great to see you all again and meet your DD/DS?s! Mrs Wed, sorry to hear you had such a nightmare journey home.

Lipstich, I use 'Touche Eclat' to cover my under eye bags. It works well on my skin but I?m naturally v.pale. I?m afraid I?ve no idea if it will work on darker skin, but it?s definitely worth a bold experiment at the make up counter

Katz, we tried the bath idea on Tuesday night. DH loved it! DS just looked bemused by the whole experience but at least he didn?t howl like normal. We followed on last night by giving him a much deeper sink bath and he seemed to enjoy that more than usual. So thanks ? a great tip!!

Welshie, I?m hving the same clothes problems. All my tops look atrocious on me due to my HUGE breasts and the pads showing through. I don?t want to go and spend loads of money on clothes I only intend to wear for the next 4 months. George, here I come .

Oh, before I forget, we seem to have moved to 2 hourly feeds in the daytime as well . DS seems to be badly affected by this weather. That?s what I?m blaming it on anyway?..

HI!
Now you lot got me curious on this touch eclat thing... I am overall pretty ignorant about cosmetics, but anything to try to hide my bags under the eyes I am willing to try... So I did a google and came up with these two pages:

general info (look at what people that bought it, bought it also... Jonah, KVG, did you? LOL

reviews

I would say I will stick with my clinique equivalent.... It does a great job and it comes in multiple shades - I have darker skin than average myself. BTW, it is clinique time at boots - so good time to buy their stuff...

Oh yes, and I just got my results from the GTT test.
YEY! I passed with flying colors! Will have an ice cream to celebrate!

So, I'm back from town A few of good things came out of the trip
a) I saw a woman with a very slim looking double buggy which I have to have

b) Going anywhre with dd2 in the sling is useless for me because I have nowhere to 'put' her so to speak if we stop for coffee and feed

c) We bought a new Pingu dvd

d) I didnt buy TE coz there was no-one at the counter and I saved myself 20 odd quid.

e) We discovered buses!!! We always walk or bike around but I could not get back home fast enough today so we jumped on a bus. My god did it shut dd1 up!!!

Am going to do all my shopping online forever!!!

Off to feed dd2 in bed and nap.

phew, blimey, I made it to the postnatal thread

how on earth does anyone have the time to post on here with a new baby? Will try to keep up as we settle in a bit more.

Two things distressing me at present - twelve days post delivery and my rings still won't fit.

Also - visitors, phine calls, text messages, e-mails. I can't keep up. Does anyone else have this problem?

Baby is gorgeous. Doesn't cry too much (so far!!).

I can heartily recommend Touche Eclat. I've used it for years. Yes, it works on darker skin (I believe it is designed to adapt to any skin tone). You need to dab it, by the way. If you smooth it on like regular concealer, you wipe it away. You can use it in any dark areas. I use it on blemishes, under eyes and in the corner of my nose. It's fab

Hi Mog (waves) welcome aboard. My tip is don't reply to everyone - they'll understand - if they don't well that's their problem.

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Hi everyone, Ive been a lurker on these boards for months, and have finally taken the plunge and decided to join for the moral support of being a mummy!
Im Vicky, and mummy to three, ages 3 1/2 , 15 months and almost 3 weeks. Life is very VERY hectic at the moment, especially as dh is back at work. The hardest thing is trying to organise a new routine with 3 to look after !
Looking forward to getting to know everyone, and sharing the joys and woes of motherhood !
Vicky

Hello ladies
Just jumping online at my Mums and so haven't read many messages at all. I MISS YOU ALL!!!
Congratulations to all the people who have had their babies while I have been missing.
Touche Eclat is fab stuff for me. My mum tried it though and it was awful on her !??!. It is my essential along side blusher.
Well we survived the flight to the UK. Got dd2's passport last tuesday and flew on the wed so cutting it fine. Both girls were really good although dd1 didn't want any of the stuff we bought for her to keep her occupied. She even went to sleep though so dh and I had some peace too. Amazing. DD2 is feeding every three hours instead of every two as it is cooler here although the weather is beautiful. I am loving the fact that we can sit and dd1 can play outside without it being too hot. DD2 has been sleeping in the pram under a tree in the garden most days and it is a very happy picture indeed. .
We have been thrown out of all routines though and poor dd1 has been getting a bit over tired to say the least. DD2 is fine of course as she has no routine . The wedding was wonderful and very child friendly which was great. No-one seemed to mind dd1 drawing on the table cloths with crayons at all . I am hoping to keep on top of things with you all for the next week or so before we go away to Norfolk on holiday. What are peoples opinions of double buggies?? I want to get a double Maclaren for when we are out in the car/shopping etc as it is very hot with dd2 in the sling. We have the pram and toddler seat for on camp which is fab but I think we need something else. DH (tight wad) disagrees. DD1 is only 2yrs 4mths and as far as I am concerned will be in a buggy on occasions (like shopping etc) until she is nearly four. Am I misled in this opinion. I always assumed we would get a double buggy for the car, but appear to have forgotten to discuss it with DH who is holding onto the purse strings tightly as we have just had to shell out £600 on our UK car and we have just bought a new car in Cyprus to bring back to the UK so we don't loose out when we sell our Cyrpus car.....
Well all for now. Sorry it is all about me me me. Take care all. .

Coop, nice to see you, glad you are finding the weather in Suffolk to be cooler, I am finding it bloody hot myself Would be nice if we could have a mini-meet since our kids were born on the same day but obviously you have plenty on your plate just now.

Attention ladies: does anyone have any tips on ways to cool a baby down? Toby is refusing to wear any clothes just now but still very warm. I assume giving him a once over with a cool flannel is not likely to induce hypothermia?

Touche Eclat - I hate the stuff. My best friend gave me some and I found it all kind of rubbed off in a horrible way. But then I am rubbish at make-up anyway.

Mummyvicky, nice to 'meet' you, extra kudos for managing three at home on your own!

Jonah, I don't know if I've missed something but was your bath problem that ds hated his bath with a passion? It sounds like you got the same excellent advice from Katz that we got from our midwife, namely fill the bath quite full so that he can be submerged up to his neck (thus staying warm and getting the floaty feeling) and get in with him. The other thing we do is ease him in slowly, so he has a chance to get used to the feeling on his feet first. That plus soothing remarks from both me and dh (and doing it after he's had something to eat, although not too much) seems to do the trick.

Mog - too many phone calls/texts/emails is definitely a problem. Thank god we live in the era of caller id! At first I ignored virtually all calls unless it was my step-dad calling to speak to my mum. And felt no guilt about it whatsoever. I even refused to let dh's brother come over on the rare day he was in the area because it was when we were having absolute nightmares with breastfeeding and I just couldn't deal with visitors. I am working through my emails now, but I wouldn't even be doing that if I didn't have dh at home to share the childcare.

Lynny, great news about Jess, long may it continue!

hi all

welcome vickymum too

Welshie - can you give more details on how yr getting babes into the crib and out of co-sleeping? I feel like I'm being drawn into a whole thing that I don't feel comfortable with but I want sleep!

today Ds has refused to sleep in a cot all day (he's low level crying now as I type VERY quickly). I have been putting him down in his pram outside in the day, but yesterday and today too hot, and he won't settle anywhere but in my arms. I feel on the one hand that I'm doing all the wrong things (breastfeeding to sleep, putting down asleep etc) and on the other hand is all this stuff too early at 3 weeks?

I had a terrible time getting Dd to sleep first time around and we did all the wrong things ie rocking to sleep etc (see above) and I guess I'm a bit overly anxious to avoid this a second time around. What do other people do for putting down etc????