June 2005 babies

[uwila]

Hi everyone. Thought it was time we have a post-natal thread.

[katzguk]

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[katzguk]

evening all

think we might need a new thread so will start one and put a link here!

[Cooperoo]

Red - Sorry to hear about the colic.
Lua - I have a copy of Gina's contented baby book that I could let you have. Problem is it is in Cyprus so you would have to wait for it until the beginning of Aug. Still trying to talk dh into double buggy and tracking on ebay hence me jumping on here again.
Bye for now.

[lynny70]

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[redheadmum]

hello all

well it's all going pear shaped here. Ds has terrible colic and I'm getting so little sleep it's a jok,e. He's windy and won't settle all day and then is awake from 1am to 6 ish am in the night.

we have gone to emergency sleeping arrangements! me in the lounge, Dh in our bedroom, MIL in the spare and are all on different schedules.

the midwife said this can last til 3 or 4 months! Im not thinking about that.......

I just need to tell someone about this! So far am coping but don't know how long for....

KVG see you are having similar? what are you doing to help??????????

[Lua]

oh! Thanks for your comments on vax. I guess I will delay them a bit too. Are those that are doing this then worried about bringing babies to social events? anyone know how good is breast milk protection?

BTW, tea, though I would mention to you that MMR does not have thimerosal anymore. This was my worry too, and finally gave to DD a couple of months ago [shame]

[Lua]

Hi All!
Happy birthday Coop!
How is going jonah with Gina? Should I buy the book? I have been reading the no cry sleep book, to get some idea on how to "help" DS sleep better, but have to say most of the suggestions are pretty common sense.
BTW, fellow reluctant co-sleepers, any improvements? DS seem to be going for slightly longer periods, which is great. It might be that it will all be sorted out by itself [hopeful emotiocon]!
He does start the night inthe moses, which is promissing! However, I keep promissing I'll put him back after the first feeding him , and is not happening! is sooo easy to feed them in bed and fall asleep.... I need some kick in the ar*e to stop being so lazy. C'mon! anyone willing to remind me how terrible my habit will be for the future of my child????

[bubbaloo]

short one from me too!

happy birthday coop-hope you have a great day.
we're off to babies r us later on to get the travel cot but thanks for the info on the cribs-the cardboard one sounds interesting.

kvg-really pleased you had a nice day yesterday and are feeling better today.

mrsw-good luck at your appointment today!

[MrsWednesday]

Happy birthday Cooperoo!!! Hope you have a lovely day.

Short post from me as I'm off to the doctors for my six week check.

[Cooperoo]

Hi all, so much for being able to keep up with you all.
I wish I knew about those travel cot mattesses that were mentioned as that is exactly what we needed. I was in mothercare yesterday showing dh how fab the double maclaren is and saw a rocking cardboard crib. looked great for a budget buy. was solid. no price though. wonder if this is any good bubb. also saw a crib for £30 on kiddicare. one handed typing as dd2 feeding again.
Good luck with gina jonah. i hated it when i tried the routines as dd1 was really not a prob baby and i found the routines more stressful and i should have just let her carry on but i know they really work for some and are def worth a go.
Welshie lol about your melons. yay for your sil too. I am with lippy. 2hr labour and no stitches has a huge impact on your energy levels and ability to cope physically and emotionally. I feel very very fortunate.
Bero - Get well soon to your dh. My stepdad got pneumonia when my dssister was born....all was fine. Good Luck.
Lol mog at your biology teacher. I was in Clarkes yesterday and a lady came up and said are you xxxx xxxx's daughter? You look so like her and I know she was expecting a new grandchild. (i was carrying dd2) Turns out she knows my mum from the village but it was very freaky.
Trib, KVG and all other first timers. I sobbed and sobbed my way through the early days with dd1 as well as feeeling totally elated alot of the time I was also in the depths of despair and heartbroken when dd1 cried and dd1 was fairly easy apart from constant feeding and lots of poos. It gets easier I promise!!!!!! What you describe is so totally normal, but so demoralising and exhausting too physically and emotionally. There is no real preparation for it. Take care and hang on in there...As your baby and your confidence grows it will get easier. It is truly early days.
Well it is my birthday today (29) and so we are having chinese take away for tea. My dsdad has been at the hospital for heart tests but all is clear so a double celebration. (he suffers from diabetes and had a mini stroke a few years ago so we doo fret a bit).
Take care all. More another time I hope.......

[katzguk]

evening all

well tried DD2 with the fancy haberman feeder and she held it in her mouth and nothing, just didn't know what the hell to do with it. Going to try boring avent teats tomorrow!!

so anyone want to buy a haberman feeder, used just once!!!

[MrsWednesday]

Love the melons story, really made me laugh. Congratulations to your brother and SIL too, lovely news.

Good luck with Gina Jonah (that sounds odd if you say it out loud). I have tried a couple of times, starting with the early morning nap at 9am - DS2 obligingly fell asleep and I smugly thought I'd cracked it, but he woke up after five minutes and refused to go back to sleep, so I gave up. He is starting to get into a routine of sorts (touch wood) - for the last four nights he's been in bed for 9pm which at least gives me an hour or so of no children . He'll sleep for four hours then after that it's all a bit random, wakes up at odd times, stays awake, feeds, doesn't feed etc etc.

Well done Bubb on your trip out!!!!

Teabelly, your DS sounds so funny, bless him. Apart from naked weeing, how does he get on with his sister?

Mog, are you the only person in your town to have a baby in recent history? Either that or you must be a very popular person

MrsF, how did your solo night go?

Pink, how are things with you and Osiris?

KVG, hope you've had a better day today.

[teabelly]

'Don't put yourself in danger just for my melons' Welshie you have me in stitches!

Jonah - good luck with Gina...we're gonna try her out again next week

Trib - love the going to the pub idea - tomorrow send a virtual drink my way

[bubbaloo]

welshie-glad your'e back is on the mend.shame about the support belt though,but hey if it works,its got to be a good thing.
congrats on becoming an aunty again-no stitches sounds wonderful!

btw...LOL at your melons.

bero-sorry to hear about your ds and dh.lets hope dh makes a speedy recovery and ds hasnt caught it!

lippy-still in a fair amount of pain.really pleased with myself though,as i actually managed to venture out today just the 2 of us.
we walked to the park and back and were only out for about an hour,but i dont think the walk did my back any favours-never mind,at least i got out.

jonah-im with you on the food front.i never go off my food,infact i must start my diet on monday-he he!!
great news about the jaundice and hearing test.
dont blame you stopping dh's friend coming over.my friends little girl has chicken pox at the mo,so i think it's doing the rounds.

[JonahB]

Hi there,

Oh KVG, I am so sorry that you?re feeling down. I have to say that I wouldn?t be able to cope with a colicky baby or one that cried non-stop. My DS only gets tetchy in the evenings and that?s not easy to deal with, so I don?t know you cope. Like everyone else says, what you are going through is totally normal and it will get easier.

Mrs F, ?don?t fancy food at the moment???? This is something I don?t understand. I?m eating SO much at the moment.

Berolina, sorry to hear about your DH. I?ll keep my fingers crossed for your DS. We?ve just stopped a mate of DH?s coming round tonight, whose boyfriend has either chicken pox or measles. It may be paranoid of me, but there is no way she is coming in to my home and potentially infecting the 3 of us.

Well, news from my end is that the jaundice has FINALLY gone and that DS has passed his hearing test with flying colours. My only slight dilemma now (sorry, I realise some of you are having real problems with tetchy babies) is our evenings. DS is fine in the daytime and sleeps well at night, only waking once during the night, but the evenings he?s awake, tetchy or crying from about 6pm-10pm with him refusing to sleep or settle. I know I may get shouted at for this, but I am trying Gina?s routine to see if that works. My logic is that our evenings can?t really get any worse, so any improvement is a bonus. I?ve got the plain food for me (not baked beans, bean burgers or an entire punnet of strawberries , Infacol for DS and plenty of encouragement planned to keep him awake at the ?set? times. Wish me luck for this evening??

Welshie, how lovely to have a young man interested in your melons so soon after giving birth

[welshmum]

KVG -This might cheer you up.
I've just returned from Waitrose where ds yelled his way round from frozen through to dry goods and back to the check out. I got a few looks but I blamed him shouting on the new lights they've installed 'how can a small baby possibly sleep with these lights' I muttered to anyone who looked at me oddly. Sod 'em I say.
The trip was completed by my cataloupe melons rolling from out of the buggy shopping net into the middle of Holloway Road as I waited to cross A nice young man nearly killed himself trying to rescue them for me ' Don't put yourself in danger just for my melons' I found myself yelling......

[tribpot]

Afternoon all!

Welshie, congrats on the new arrival, well done to your SIL. And hope your back is improving with your attractive back brace thing.

Bero, sorry to hear your dh is poorly, hope Samuel stays healthy - well done on the weight front!

KVG - I utterly sympathise as I feel the same. I would (almost) willingly go back to work at this stage, just to have some kind of normality/sanity in my day. As I've said before, I think I would be in utter meltdown by now if I had to take care of ds on my own all day, and had to do the majority of the night feeds too, so you are doing brilliantly.

A little walk in the afternoon is great, particularly if it features walking to the pub as mine tends to (Having said that, might look a bit odd on your own? Obv I have dh with me for company). If you're worried about dd going off on one, you can always just walk very locally, like round the block a few times - maybe not so interesting but more relaxing knowing you can get home quickly if need be.

I took Toby to Sainsburys a couple of days ago, he was fine on the way there but screamed blue murder on the walk home, very stressful so I ended up cyring all the way home as well

It's not possible for anyone to describe what being a new parent is like, there really is no way of knowing in advance how it will be. But most people seem to survive the process, we will get through it!

Thanks to all for the thoughts about the neighbours. We don't have a lot to do with them and I guess I need to be careful about causing any arguments when we will need to sell this place later in the year. Part of the problem is the appalling soundproofing in the building.

Take care all.

[LipstickMum]

Hello everyone,

Do you think it's something about the time of year our babies were born, or maybe that they were exposed to too much computer 'radiation' in utereo as we were all mad MNers, that has placed the majority of them all somewhere on the wind and colic scale???? It's an epidemic.

We're not too bad here, but dd2 will 8/10 need a burp after a feed. She has the hiccoughs right now instead.

Ah Mog, we're not close after all, I am further south.

Congrats Welshie to your SIL!!! Had forgotten she was due too!! Her speedy birth will be a godsend for the recovery, I can't believe how much less like a zombie I feel this time round with a few hours labour and no stitches.

How are your backs Bubb and Welshie???

For those who haven't been out alone, I sympathise. It's scary as fck. Just take your time and when you are desperately trying to feed a screaming baby in Starbucks, just give people who are annoyed "I dare you to say anything!!" looks

KVG, like lots of other wise mums have said, your post baby blues are normal, normal, normal. It's very brave to admit it We've all been there, I have, it's a shock having a newborn, so don't worry about what you think you should be feeling. We understand.

[berolina]

awwwww, congrats Auntie Welshie and hope the back gets still better soon - same to you Bubb.
kvg, I know how you feel! I think I find the hardest thing is so rarely being able to do something (be it eating, typing etc.) with two hands as ds is constantly feeding or at least in my arms... ds's lovely cream sleepsuit has an attractive green pesto fleck on it from last night's dinner . I also feel very self-conscious when he cries - last week the neighbour commented over the fence as him having cried the previous night and it's also hard not to feel judged by the relatives we're staying with.
he was calmer and happier second half of last week - went to church on Sun and he slept almost through the whole thing! yesterday a lot more fractious though and fed literally all day. I was rewarded though - he slept from around 11 till 4, then again from 5.30ish to 9.30, just waking up briefly a couple of times and being satisfied by a quick suck on the boob.
We have another worry though. dh started coughing on friday and as he was getting worse not better, went to the doc's yesterday and was diagnosed with bronchitis . He is doing very well considering, but we are worried about ds catching it, especially as we had Fri-Mon where dh was still in normal contact with ds. We were at the paed yesterday pm to get him weighed (had gained over 200g since last week and has passed the 4kg mark, yay! ) and he listened to his chest and said he sounds fine, and he does seem well, but I'm terribly worried and this morning keep convincing myself his breath is too thick/wheezy. We're still at sil's and the plan is to be here for another week, and I was wondering whether to go home with ds, but the paed said we could stay here. I don't fancy being all alone at home if ds does get it, but OTOH if he is ill I want to care for him at home and not here.

[teabelly]

Wow Welshie - fab news re your brother's family and I'm sure your sil's pleased too, quick and no stitches - great!

Oh KVG I agree wholeheartedly with Welshie re the little one's feeling like they take over your life...when I was little I'd been told I couldn't have kids, so we were amazed and delighted to discover I was pg with ds, and I planned every little detail in my head about life with my baby - wow was I in for a shock . Sweetie all I can say is it will get better...it's a learning curve for both you and the baby. As Welshie says get out if you can - a bit of fresh air and change of scenery makes the world of difference, and when my ds used to scream and scream being out in the buggy was the only thing that calmed him down. I'd have to say that I did resent him at first, and definitely didn't bond with him as the books say and other mums seemed to, but that changed very quickly as I got to know him and vice versa. As also said, joining a post natal group often helps - and you discover that you're not alone in your feelings or the screaming

Jabs - hmmmn - we're bad parents so don't have a go but ds hasn't had the mmr or singles, and if I'd have known at the time that the early jabs contained thiomersal I wouldn't have given these to ds either. We have a history of intolerences and sensitivities in our family and I believe that weakened immune systems have a large part to play in possible side effects of jabs, besides this ds himself suffered from cronic eczema as a baby and was extremely lactose sensitive too so I had doubts about his immune levels anyway with out taking into account the family history. DD on the other hand doesn't appear to be as bad, and now that the new 5 in ones no longer have the mercury I think I'm happy to give them to her, but will reserve judgement on the mmr for now for both of them, and may give it when they are nearing 5 and have more developed immune systems. As for the timings dd's 8 week check will be when she's nearly 10 weeks and so I will probably let her have them then as she'll be alittle older, but am still thinking about maybe waiting for the age stages Uwila mentioned.

Welshie - bless your ds holding your hand at night

Uh oh I hear the credits for Finding Nemo playing so I guess that's the end of my computer time for a while, he he he...catch up later, x

[welshmum]

KVG - I felt just the same it's a completely normal response to motherhood - you've had your whole old life taken away and replaced with an entirely new one - and you're only 16 days into it! I came from being a career woman in control of her world to muminess and it really did get close to defeating me on several occasions. I just wanted you to know that you're not alone - keep posting missus. If I were you I would try to get out for a bit of a constitutional every afternoon - apparently they sleep better as it encourages them with becoming diurnal instead of nocturnal creatures - something to do with circadian rhythms - and sod it if she has a yell - front it out if you can.
I also got alot from a new mother's group I went to - not one with old timers who know each otther and it all
Thanks all for good wishes re my back, it is a bit better today and hopefully will be better again tomorrow. I've got to wear a really attractive support belt that just about starts where my nursing bra ends - hey ho what a gorgeous creature I am.
As for my delicious boy he's in the good books today having woken for one feed between 9pm and 6.30am - a complete bleedin' miracle I'm sure but most welcome. I think it's down to the colief drops - which although a pain to give seem to have almost entirely got rid of his problems with getting farts and burps out - so I recommend those for anyone at their wits end.
He was next to me the whole time too which certainly seems to help - he likes to hold my hand - very sweet but entirely rubbish really.
I'm also in a good mood today as I'm an aunty again - my brother's wife had their first baby last night. A little blonde 7lbs 10oz boy for my ds to play with. SIL did really well, stayed at home for as long as poss then after 3 hours in hospital out he came - no stitches and only gas and air - what a woman.

[uwila]

Hello everyone. Sorry about your back, Welshie.

Both my children have been peacefully sleeping for a howle 2 1/2 hours now... ahhh bliss!

Lua, I'm sort of delaying the vax as well. When I was pregnant with DD, my cousins son was diagnosed with autism. And it just brought the whole MMR debate (which I had previously disregarded due to lack of compelling evidence to support heir case) home. DD has had single jabs (last one was last week). So for this new 5 in 1 I got to thinking that it wouldn't really hurt just to put them back a bit. So I think instead of 8, 12, and 16 weeks we'll try more for 12, 16, and 20 weeks. I can't really see that an extra 4 weeks will do any harm. The only reason for this is that I've read that some people think the introduction of vaccines actually inhibits the normal development of the immune system. No idea if this is true, but just in case I thought I'd delay a bit.

[teabelly]

Hi there,

Flying visit - will catch up properly tomorrow if poss...

Little jinx heard me last time so the omneo has been given up in favour of the normal cow & gate formula for 3 days now as dd at least likes that...not saying anymore as jinx may be around but so far so

Welshie poor you with your back and Bubb too

We had ds on the colief drops when he was little and they made an amazing diference to us so I hope they work for all those now trying it

Re dh and night times...whilst I'm off I'm up to dd at night all the time, except fri/sat when we take turns. But as soon as I'm back at work it be on a turn by turn basis (which is what we did with ds and works well for us)

Hello Coop/Charley nice to hear from you again

Vicky - thanks for the personal update - still don't know how you manage 3 so young tho

Sibling rivalry - he he he - Lynny have to agree with Charley the nakedness did make me smile too . And we have exactly the same here...suddenly ds has to go for a wee when I'm feeding dd, and apparently this now has to be done in the nude! Which is fine when we're at home, but I think my friend was shocked when ds suddenly stripped off and started running around her house last week shouting 'I'm a little nudy boy' at the top of his voice!

Who's having 6 hour sleeps?? No boasting on here ladies ...some of us are grateful for 3 hours between feeds!

Right best be off on that note as I can here distinct stirring from upstairs....x