May 09 - weather and jabs = hot cross babies

[Momino]

hope i'm not duplicating

Belgian have a great holiday

Tummum sorry about the SF - get well soon.

Am very of all your super sleeping babies. The best we have had out of H was a brief phase of going to sleep at 9.30pm and going through until 3 or 4, but then he would wake hourly. Now we are putting him to bed earlier (about 8ish, because he was getting over-tired) he wakes at eg 12.30am, 3.30am and 6am, then up for the day at 7ish. He did a bit better last night - 1, 4 and 7.45 However, I usually manage to feed him before he's properly awake, he feeds well and quickly and is straight back to sleep afterwards so I'm not generally awake for long. Thought about trying a dream feed again but in the past it's not really had any positive effect, and I started to worry about getting him in the 'habit' of waking frequently so I'm just going to go with the flow. I'm sure he'll sleep through when he's ready

Busy day for me - last minute decision to have NCT girls over tomorrow morning and the house is a tip!

Have a great hol Belgian

Happy birthday for yesterday daizy

lol at ds Fi ses great news about weight

llare hope you have a nice lunch today

at the incredible sleeping babies, so pleased for you all.

No sleep for me again last night. I think me and DH are at breaking point we have no idea what to try, she hates swaddling but wriggles constantly, in bed with us she just sucks my boobs continously but spits a dummy out! HV had no sensible suggestions apart from letting her cry it out which I think is a bit extreme for a 6 week old. Any suggestions welcome.

Aw running I don't have any advice, just shedloads of sympathy. I hope someone comes on here with some useful advice shortly!!

Morning everyone,

I haven't been on for ages (really busy in actual RL, can you believe?!) so have skimmed to catch up.

Daizy, belated happy birthday, sounds like you had a great day.

Dandy, good news about the appeal and I agree with the comments made about the school not being able to renege on the decision.

Hope you have a lovely holiday, Belgian, am not at all of either you or Grumpy, honest! We have booked a week's hol camping in the Yorkshire Dales with our best friends and their 9 month old plus dogs at the end of August... nice and close so if it goes wrong we can come home! Love camping, DH and I did a road trip last summer through Belgium, Germany, Italy and France (to a friend's wedding in Lake Garda and back) and we had the most amazing. It was a year ago today we set off; DH and I were reminiscing last night [fond nostalgic sigh].

Re lilypadz - I have some and I love them. I do struggle though with discreet BFing with them when out and about, having to peel one off and then leave it on a table or similar - anyone else find the same? I tend to swap between them and 'normal' pads as I do think my boobs need time to breathe (!) and not sure that lilypadz are the best for that.

oh, and llare at accidental nork flashing.

tummum, sorry to hear your SF news but as you say at least it's over and done with.

It's been an eventful week in the Bee household. Highlights include: out with NCT girls for lunch in York last Weds, drove to Manchester last Thurs to show F to my teams at work , out shopping all day with best friend and her 9 month old in the White Rose centre in Leeds on Friday, DH and friend's joint birthday do on Saturday (F's first try of a bottle of EBM so I could do some drinking - very satisfactory all round!).

F has also have his 6 week check and his sticky eye was swabbed and came back infected so we are having to give him antibiotics - preferably on an empty stomach and at least half an hour before a feed. We started last night and it is putting years on me already!

He is also full of cold (at least I assume it's cold and not SF) so very sorry for himself. We had a rubbish night as he was struggling with his breathing. I think I need to go and buy a snot extractor and some calpol today.

Fontanelles - F has a very small anterior fontanelle - noticed by friends over the weekend and not mentioned by doctor at 6 week check. I googled it and terrified myself so took him back to same doctor yesterday (forgetting red book, oops); she said it was smaller than usual but was still there and to keep an eye on it but not worry as long as head growth and his development normal, not crossing any centiles. She measured his head and when I got home I checked the red book and his birth and 4 week measurements had been following the 25th centile but the doctor's one from yesterday puts him on the 75th.... Am worried again now, might go to HV clinic this afternoon but don't want to pass his cold to others.

sorry not to name check all, have good days...

sorry, crossed posts - oh, running, you poor thing, you sound exhausted and really fed up. Like grumpy I have no advice really because it sounds like you've tried everything I could think of.

running DS2 sleeps with us although last night he was in the crib. He has been sleeping consistently since we put him in the growbag. If he wakes up at midnight he sleeps in the bed with me and he suckles away and we both fall asleep eventually. Have you tried sleeping while he feeds? Do you feed lying down? At least that way you get some rest.

ReeBEe WRT to snot, what we found helped with both boys is to raise the cot or moses basket at one end to help breathing, and have a bowl of water in the room. When he was really blocked up I put him in the bathroom and run a really hot bath, the steam is a great decongestant!

running I don't really have any useful advice, I'm afraid, but I agree with llare. Is the problem related more to feeding or sleeping? You could try posting in the sleep or breast/bottle feeding sections. There seem to be some knowedgeable people around (from having lurked when H was being difficult).

I've just remembered it's H's third set of jabs this afternoon - 3 needles this time I'm going to get in early with the calpol this time. I was too late last time and had to squirt it into his wide open, wailing mouth, poor thing.

runningm i think our g's sleeping through is partly due to weight.. as she was bigger than ds at birth (9lb 7 as opposed to 7lbs) by the time she got to 6wks (when she started doing a 6/7hr stretch) she was the size ds was at about 2~3m. at 6wks she also started feeding every 2~3hrs in the day (5am till 5pm) then from 5pm till 10pm ish she fed hourly staying awake for most of that time.. also pooing and weeing for the olympics. when she eventually conked out after 10pm it was for about 6hrs at first. she's doing almost the same pattern atm.. only difference is she's sleeping longer 10pm ish till 6am ish, feeds and sleeps every 3hrs in day, then has a nap between cluster feeds sessions in the evening.

at 6.5wks she was 12lb 7 and at 8.5wks yesterday she was 13lbs 10.5oz.

reebee we found the ab's gave g a very windy uncomfortable tummy.. hope it doesn't do the same for you. the snot sucker, steamy bathroom and more upright sleeping pos worked for us too..

Sorry gals. Friend popped over for a cuppa and chat.

Thanks for the sympathy and suggestions, yes I do feed lying down at night but find it hard to sleep as I worry about my floppy norks suffocating A. I do wonder if weight has anything to do with it as A took a long time to regain birthweight. I also think it's a bit of both sleep and feeding as she regularly falls asleep feeding so I don't think she gets enough milk so wakes up but then when she has had a massive feed and is ina really deep sleep she will only stay asleep in one of our arms - you can pass her between people without her waking but as soon as she is put down she is wide awake!

Llare - do you have Ds2 in a grobag in your bed? I worry about her being too hot if I do that but I do have an 0.5 tog so could try it.

running Do try the Grobag. DD2 was a mare of a baby and didn't sleep, was a fretty feeder, etc. However, she slept better when we zipped her into her 'bag'!! I think they're genius.

I 2nd the floppy nork thing, as I feed lying down and worry about the same thing.

DD2 is at Granny's and she's been bought a Hannah Montana Microphone. That'll be staying at Granny's/broken/lost rather than coming home

DD1 has disappeared off with her friend. All I got was "Off out with X, laters". Bloody pre-teens.

thanks llare and Fi, have put books under front of moses basket and will try the steam thing too.

Fi, he has been fretting a bit but I put that down to his cold, poor little man!

Grumpy, at the microphone.

Hello,

Well my miracle sleeper was awake 4 times last night, serves me right for boasting! momino he hardly ever manages 2 hours awake during the day, even when he sleeps better at night, it's usually more like 1.5hrs and even that's unusual. I suppose we tend to be out a lot with dd and various things which doesn't help. He's also a bit poorly at the minute (snuffly nose and mildly upset tummy) so I think that's what's doing it for now.

grobags are great - dd was rubbish at settling to sleep until we got one when she was about 5 months, and she immediately 'got it'. No trouble since then.

Well sorry to post-and-go - loads to fit in today as dh has just invited friends over for dinner tomorrow night and I am not at all prepared. Don't think he realises how much of a pita it is to plan, shop, cook etc with a little baby! We hardly manage to do anything at all most days!

Belgian have a fab holiday!

And llare re nork-flashing - I do that too but our living area is slightly above street level so I don't think anyone sees (unless the neighbour across the street are spying from behind their curtains ).

Hi all

Not had chance to read...having a bad day here..

Can anyone help with this ?

running- sorry things are so hard for you. Not got any useful suggestions as looks like you've tried all the usual stuff.

Saw my GP today- she was glad i was starting to feel some improvement from the ADs and i will see her again in 2 weeks to see whether i need to increase the dosage.

Momino- you were asking how long everyone's LOs are awake at a time in the day. With S at home, generally he's ready for a nap after 1.5 hours awake (and sometimes just over an hour), although he will usually stay awake 3 hours in the late afternoon (e.g. 3.30/4pm until bedtime). However, this morning he had a 15 min nap at 9.20 before i saw the GP and then didn't go down til 12.30 for his next nap.

running, hope you're able to get rest today. sounds like a tough time. i also support using a grobag as well as posting on the sleep forum. how often is she awake in the day?

also, do take the stories about sleeping babies with a grain of salt. you can be sure if there isn't a prob with sleeping there are other difficulties. though my girls seem to be good sleepers (not all the time, mind you and dd1 is now a sleepwalker and gets up most nights at least once), their favoured form of communication is crying which i find diff to handle when all 3 are at it let alone a new(ish) born cry.

yesterday H slept a lot of the day so sure enough (euro pls note!) it took her ages to settle and she ended up crying/screaming for quite awhile. i had to put her down and shut the door because even cuddles weren't working and I was ready to explode with frustration. would love a dummy to work but she just spits it out no matter how often i replace it. also, after my post yesterday about her sleeping she woke up a couple of times. serves me right .

anyway, can't name check anyone else right now since i'm out the door for Harper's hip ultrasound. should be a blast.

Hope you're all well today and do try to rest when you're able.

reebee just read your thread post.. not sure if it's jabs or ab's. the ab's made g very windy.. colicky windy iyswim drawing up her legs in pain and crying. it put her off feeding until she got rid of most of it. she went back to normal happy feeding when we stopped ab's. weirdly she was fine with the 1st and 2nd doses it was after the 3rd that she really had probs..

and phone NHS direct if you're concerned about anything like dehydration etc

grobags are fab. M started sleeping thro almost as soon as we started using them. I put her in in when she starts her mammoth cluster feed at around 8pm and when she's had enough she just nods off all content - if we're lucky

those saline nasal drops have really helped with M's breathing - even tho she fights me when I try to put them in

went to BF group this morning then took M to have her 2nd lot of jabs - poor thing screamed her head off but calmed down after a quick BF in the waiting room, she slept all the way home in her car seat and is still asleep now an hour later
she hardly ever sleeps during the day

M was sleeping 10pm to 5/6am but the last 2 nights has reverted back to a 3.30am feed, hopefully its just cos she's feeling under the weather and she'll sleep longer again when not snotty
just when I'd got used to the extra sleep...

thanks Fi - it's ab's not jabs (he's not had any of those yet, the pleasure is still all to come!) and he is struggling to keep latched on but not sure whether ab's or cold and blocked nose to blame!

have also had a chat with the health visitor about fontanelles and head circumference and she has completely allayed my fears, hurrah!

...although she did say he has dry skin and looks like a reaction to anything we're putting in his bath so back to plain water and cotton wool for everything for us.

God, everything was fine until the 6 week check and now the baby is disintegrating!!

hurrah, F now 12lbs 4oz at 7 weeks (and 60cm long). He's a piggy!

just realised i got my reebee's and reggie's muddled.. it was reggie's little one not wanting to feed after the jabs.. oops hope both lo's are doing better now. great weight reebee you must be chuffed