Dec 08 mums - embuggerance to it all - sleep or no sleep we love our babes

[waitinggirl]

i hope people don't mind, i took the bull by the horns and did it. title a bit naff, but more important the thread exists rather than search for a better title. hope i haven't stolen anyone's thunder...

Yes it was me on about the tongue tie, PMK, am getting it checked out with the GP on Tues. Am pretty sure that's what it is, just want to know what (if any) implications there are for speech. Has your DS ever poked his tongue out? If so, it's prob not TT. What makes you wonder if it is? I don't know if it's food related as T swallows his solids but has more trouble drinking.

Am v about the dummy ditching, how did you do it in the end? Just give him a cuddle when he woke up and wanted it?

Hi Spot yeah he sticks his tongue out to blow raspberries! Not very far but I guess it's only small still! He had no trouble breast or bottle feeding it's just with the solids he tends to push the food around with his tongue but I suspect it's just a weaning thing as he's never been crazy for it unless he's really hungry? I suspect Veg you will know what I mean and tell me it's just a weaning thing hopefully?? If your T has it - don't they just snip it under a local I think they can do that at any age to avoid any probs later, however it doesn't mean he'll have any issues with it.
Re the dummy - I just rubbed his back when he cried and talked quietly to him and he usually settled if not I still walked away while he continued to cry and at any one time it was probably 15 mins of crying at the most - literally a handful of times, but it felt like hours - seriously worth it in the end, but tbh he didn't cry all that much from what i've heard of people doing CC.
What time are you going to the Zoo? I will see how knackered I am after the weekend, and may join you but don't rely on me saying that, as I'm historically useless in the mornings especially on Mondays!

There is loads more I wanted to catch up on, but Spot wanted to say that my DS had a tongue tie. It was diagnosed at about 3 weeks and if it hadn't have been spotted then there is no way I could have kept breastfeeding. I shudder to remember the pain of feeding for those 3 weeks. Weeping, screaming, swearing, toe clenching, every time. Anyway, he had it snipped and it was completely fine from there. It is great that you're seeing your GP about it.

Also Spot. Had the same experience as you with PU/PD. It didn't work and it created major escalations in crying. We have now perfected an in cot soothing routine (head patting, shushing, etc.) but this only works if he is ready for sleep and just having trouble dropping off. Extending naps, forget about it (I am back to pacing the streets with the sling 3 times/day lately!). And putting off night wakings without boob, forget about it.

Hi Spiggy!

Trashy TV alert?does anyone watch Gray?s Anatomy? Just watched the finale. Oh my word. High drama.

Haven't set a time yet but will let you know when we've made a plan!
Apparently they don't snip tongue tie if they've reached this age as it's not so bad that it prohibits feeding (just BF in my case ) but I would like to find out more about it.
Sounds like the dummy ditching was worth it, will prob give it a go myself when am a bit more rested and T not got his cough back.
It's so blummin hot tonight. Does anyone think it would be dangerous to leave the fan on all night? T's little room is an absolute sweatbox but I have visions of electrical fires starting etc etc...

Hi Momormum, glad it's not just me but sorry you're still pacing the streets too. Sometimes even that doesn't work but at least I feel i'm doing all I can.
That's great the tongue tie was diagnosed in your DS so early, your description of the feeds makes me shudder to remember. Am now wondering if what was diagnosed as reflux was just tongue tie and difficulty feeding? (mustn't let mind run away wit me, must remember it's still just suspected not diagnosed).

Spot, the only reason my DS's tongue tie was diagnosed is because we decided to pay to have a lactation consultant visit. My midwife was amazing on everything except breastfeeding. Even after looking at my nipples that were completely bloody and lacerated she kept just drawing pictures of a freaking nipple and telling me to get more of the aereola (sp?) in his mouth. After I told her that the lactation consultant diagnosed a tongue tie, my midwife looked at his mouth and said "there is no way he has a tongue tie. You will go all the way to the hospital and they will just send you home. You have to just keep working on the latch." If I had listened to her, breastfeeding would have ended for me too. It was just the luck of the draw that I happened to see a lactation consultant at the right time.

I know for me it was a relief to find out that he had a tongue tie because I really felt that I was just somehow incompetent and no matter how much I worked on getting a good latch, I just couldn't get it right.

Spot after reading this I don't think ds has that - I think he's just taking the solids slow! Test T on some of these tomorrow

Mom LOVE Greys!! (I cried in last weeks episode ) I hope they both recover!

I'm just posting quickly from a tent in the peak district. Lovely up here. JB i wanted to call DS2 Jarvis. Spot i wasn't sounding very upbeat at 2am. PMK sounds like he's just not ready plenty of time so no worry. Love the older kid BF stories very funny. I've never thought to express some for DS1 but then i don't express for J.

MN from the tent! Brilliant Veggie!I have a visual of you typing away, the only glow being the light from your phone!
Yeah, I want to make sure he gets enough fluids in this heat so keeps up the milk. Should I be giving water as well It's bloody hot in London tonight eh Spot - I'm considering the fan too....

Bugger i need to wee. I am so comfy on my air mattress. Mom i'm sure your MW was lovely but there comes a time when you have to respect a specialists view. Did she finally admit she was wrong. In my training with the BfN we were taught to assess the latch but if still no improvement refer on to the higher trained BF supporters or counsellors. I'm glad you got it sorted. Your poor nips.

Argh T has been scrying for an hour and a half, spitting out dummy, refusing feeds, have given him Calprofen and teething gel but no joy, anyone know what to do? I am in unchartered territory here!

I too am loving your tent MN-ing Veg. Turned on light,T was fine, all smiles. Turned off again. Screaming. Am too tired for this, DP away, I was up at 5 and am ill. Sorry for self pity.

spot - it might be the heat..... I've got the fan out. DS gets really unsettled if it's hot.
Hope T is asleep now.
I should be as I have a sleeping baby and i'm not taking advantage... Goodnight

Night, PMK, Sadly T still crying his heart out, think is def the teeth. Tried taking him into my bed but no better so have left him for a while and will go back in again soon.

Hi everyone - arti and I have been have little chats between ourselves today as for some reason MN is hiding this thread from us . Anyway we've been sent a link back to it from MNHQ, but its a blooming awkward way of finding you all to catch up!

As it is gone 2 in the morning I am going to have a v self indulgent me rant as I need to get it out of my system, then I will catch up with what I missed whilst you were all hiding.

Last night DD wasn't very well - nothing particularly wrong, but she was very hot and wasn't sleeping very well. So I gave her some calpol and a cuddle (unusual, as she's not a cuddly baby), stripped her down and when she finally relaxed she went to bed and I popped back for reassurance every time she stirred and grumbled (about every hour) as DH was away. When I got up this morning I'd got a temperature and my glands were HUGE, so have staggered through the day feeling sorry for myself.

When DH came home, he took over with DD and I stayed up to feed her at bedtime and asked him to cook me some tea, although it was more for the sake of eating as I wasn't particularly hungry so asked for cheese on toast. So I came down from feeding DD to find him chopping and stir frying like mad, which actually tasted pretty good.

Then I went to bed and at midnight DH came up, crashed around the bedroom until I woke up to ask if DD needed turning over (she was on her tummy, but sleeping soundly) - I said only if she wasn't happy or if he could do it without waking her. So he duly woke and spent about 10 minutes trying to quieten her down and then came to bed. Peace lasted all of 5 minutes, when she started up again. He ignored her, despite promising me he'd see to her in the night, so I got up and went to her. Shushed and patted for ages, then started to pace the landing with her (which I've not had to resort to for months - and she is considerably heavier than last time I did it).

After about an hour I got her back to sleep, (DH snoring v loudly by now) and I came downstairs to get myself a drink to find the kitchen looking like a bomb has hit it (normally if one cooks the other clears up, but as he shooed me to bed I assumed he'd do both). As we don't have many dishes and spoons for DD, at the very least her stuff needs washing ready for the next day. So at 1.30am I started to clear the table, load and set the dishwasher off, wash up (and find every single utensil that had been used and hidden in odd places around the kitchen - why do men do that??) and start putting away half an onion, half a broccoli, half a bag of green beans, have a pack of celery etc that he had used. Oh, and then I smelt the stinky nappy rubbish bag so had to take that out too.

And now I am cross and awake and clearly not going to be better tomorrow now. DH is supposed to go on a stag weekend, but suggested he'd just go to part of it, so I wouldn't have DD all weekend on my own as I've had all week - but TBH, it would be a lot less hassle if he got out of my hair and left me to it.

Right, got that off my chest (almost posted on AIBU I am so cross, but then remembered I am scared of those threads!)

Will catch up now and see what you're all up to x

And now I'm back in nice, calm mode

First of all to arti on the sleeping! I think we all need to go back to our commune and invite Mrs Sleep along and in 3 days time every single one of us will have sleeping through babies. I have an image of all the babies lined up in cots and an octopus armed Mrs Sleep shushing and patting like crazy . But Trace doesn't need to come cause P is also a little sleeping star - hope tonight was as good?

And congratulations to LadyT on the pub quiz. What were some of the questions? Lets see if we are as clever as you are?

Spot on the napping, I think its down to the fact that I?m more relaxed about it than anything I?ve done, having decided it can?t get worse so it must get better. Like Mom PUPD doesn?t seem to work for me, but shushing and patting is fairly effective as long as she?s not too wound up. I?ve tried to establish a nap routine when she?s doing sleepy signals. I only take her for a nap if she?s looking tired, and I sit by her cot when I put her down ? not looking at her, but patting if necessary, holding her hand or something so she knows I?m there. If she gets her playful face on I just take her out and bring her back downstairs and try again later as I can?t face anymore battles and tears (mine and hers). I?ve also started to put a big tick in my diary each day I achieve a nap ? hey, if star charts work for toddlers then they work for Mummies too! (and I too get irritated by DD?s grizzling, so I?m pleased to have good company on this one)

Trace where?s that yummy new cafe in York? I was there on Monday and went back to the Slug and Lettuce and had a v nice lunch again ? but I am looking forward to DD not needing a pushchair anymore so we can get in those lovely little tea rooms without breaking something

Veggie your memory box sounds lovely, and even though there are sad memories as well as happy ones I think its better to have sad memories than none at all

Happy holidays to JJ, SL and Daisy, and to Veggie in her tent

Going to go back to bed now to try and sleep, night everyone

Morning,

Zoe I think I might have killed DH!!! But yes he also seems to use everything in the kitchen to cook.

I have got about 10 ulcers in my mouth. Only really little ones but they really hurt.

DS2 woke up just the once tonight. Both boys have got colds so we think that is what is wrong with him.

Hope you are all ok.

Morning - Zoe that sounds like a shocker. My DH does stuff like that sometimes - tries to be "helpful" but ends up making things worse. I hope you did get some sleep last night, in the end. Blumming hard though it is in this heat. I couldnt live in a hot country, I've decided, not without aircon...I'm taking your DD o a virtual walk today so you can have a virtual rest (best I can do).

Veggie I am envious of your tent trip. I just do not have the enegry to do hald the stuff you do ! We love camping but cannot face the idea of it for another year or so. We used to camp in the peaks all the time, at Edal, Barber Booth and the pub (the fox?) that is just on the border near Sheffield near Hathersage, you used to be able to camp in the garden for free there, which was great I also have a memory box, I'm sorry to hear yours got flooded. But then I'm surprised that when things are really important to me they stay in my head anyway. I've got loads of letters my mum wrote me when I was a student and they were a real comfort when she died. It was almost like a conversation that I could still have with her.....

Hello to all with dodgy sleeping babies. I've been very lazy and kept DS2 in with me in a moses basket that he has outgrown. I was scared he would wake DS1 with his noise if I moved him to his own room, but DS1 slept through a right old racket this morning so I reckon I can get away with it, so I think last night was his last night with me, so will see how it goes....

Enjoy the heat, Veggie I would so love to be in the hills, even with the rain ! There is a camp shop in Hathersage with a great tea rooom upstairs...

Have been reading but not posting while I sort my head out. Good news is that my health thing is nothing, so huge amounts of relief. Bad news is that on my return to work (a week on Monday, assuming I still have a job), I am nanny free on one of my 2 days. Bugger, bugger, bugger. I am so upset and angry, as well as in a huge hole. Fortunately, I can work from home (avec bebe) over the summer vac so no immediate crisis, but I do need to start in earnest in mid August so I have 6 weeks to find someone else. Hm.

Spot, I'm sorry for your bad night and poor T. Apparently babies need one more layer than us, so if you are in the rudey nudey because it is so hot, then perhaps just put T in a vest. Sympathies on the teething pain. Poor M hasn't got any but 3 are threatening and he is very upset. He likes chewing Bickiepegs (from a wholemeal chemist) to relieve it a little.

Zoe, poor you as well, I would lamp DH if he did that. Hope you got some sleep. Can you grab half an hour today?

Veggie, I love the juxtaposition of you being at one with nature in your tent whilst on your I phone! I hope you have a tip top weekend.

Yay for Mrs Sleep Arti. We are down to one (or sometimes no) night wakings. Things much improved since M in his own room. I think he probably sleeps quite lightly, so the sound of us in the same room may have disturbed rather than comforted him.

LadyT, I am in awe of your pub quiz success. The dons may know their literature etc, but how good are they on the contents of Now Magaxine and celeb stuff?! I am sure you have a much broader knowledge of many aspects of the world, which was reflected in your success. Hope the house viewing goes well.

Hello PMK, gosh London is very close at the moment. You getting to the tennis at all, as it's not too far from you?

Kayz, boo to the ulcers. Gargling with salt water will help them to heal, or Corsodyl also good.

Welcome to Staines and Spiggy - good to have you on board.

Hello NJAN and everyone else - sorry not time for more personals but need to get dressed and off to ballet (DD1 not me in the tutu thank the lord)! I'll try to pop back later, but have a good Sat everyone.

Affectionately yours

Sybil

PS Trace - I frequently forget where I am writing and put lots of love on letters to preschool etc! I think it just marks us out as warm, lovign individuals

hello...just a quickie as have a mad day...lu has a party to go to and we also have various family members popping in as it's Lu's birthday in a few days...
but ZJ at your 'helpful' dh!
Spot hope T finally allowed you some sleep.

P woke at 10 then 1.30 for feeds then slept till 7 so another good one for us

best dash....see you later xxx

morning, great to se you back Sybil and glad your health is good but for you for the nanny situation. Hope you find someone great soon.

Zoe, I should have come online when you were here in the wee small hours to show you some solidarity, i am v cross with your DH on your behalf, I hope he does some serious grovelling today to make it up to you.

Well, in the end T screamed solidly until 2am, then woke again screaming at 4, managed to get him back off to sleep with some water and Calpol, then he was up and crying again at 7. I think it must be his teeth as he's eating solids but refusing the bottle and constantly putting his hand in his mouth. I looked in his mouth this morning and couldn't believe there were no teeth to show for the night's drama! If this is the precursor I dread to think what the actual cutting of teeth will be like! But he also has a cough and cold and it was crazy hot, so that probably exacerbated it.

That's a great run for you, Trace, i hope it continues Have a lovely party.

Sybil lovely to have you back. Glad your health is good. I hope you manage to sort out a nanny soon. You are right about Corsodyl but it is grim!!!

I didn't actually mean to press post!!

Spot Sorry your night was so bad. I found with DS1 that he was worse before the teeth actually appeared.

Trace YAY!!! That is brilliant!!! Long may it continue!!

DS1 is watching Fireman Sam and DS2 is asleep in his cot!!!! He normally will only sleep on the front room floor during the day so this os great!!! So I have done the washing up, put some washing on, ironed and hoovered!! Can't remember a day I managed to do so much!!

Hi Sybil haven't been to the tennis no - would have loved to.
I am LIVID have just found out my debit card has been skimmed for over 2k they said I will hear from someone within 48 hours. I have trips planned and I was wondering if anyone has had this happen and how long it takes to get your money back? It is very obviously fraudulent by the look of the charges Couldn't be worse timing