August 2008 - 8 months and still not sleeping though the night....

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you'd think after 33 threads we'd have all the answers by now.

Morning all.
oops sorry for your rough night. I had one too. managed to get both dcs asleep my just after 10pm.
Ds woke about 4 times in night absolutley screaming, no amount of patting shushing or force feeding would work.
He did several bottom burps each time.
He has been sick all over me this am,and I have spotted 2 more teeth poking through. So probably a combination of both.
Seems fine now though
ts we looked at T&C for our honeymoon, it looks beautiful, not sure now why we decided no to go.
*albs glad you enjoyed your holiday, for a pretty laid back person, I would get stressed now if I was in someone elses space with my 2 dcs. i they need routine.
hotter we went to Twy Cross Zoo
Had nice day lovely sunshine. They had 2 new Lioness brought from Bristol Zoo. We were chatting to the Zoo director, and she was saying there enclosure here is much different and they seem very timid and not sociable like the last lot iykwim.
I always feel a little though when I see all the animals, I know they do a good job in trying to replacte their natural habitat, but it/s just not the same is it.
On the other hand, the breeding programmes for endangered species is great.
how many of can i do in one post.
dizzY have you come down off your high yet??
Wonder how cc little one is doing with the chicken pox.
has anyone heard from alieight yet????

Oh and buckets great job btw, how exciting do we need to make an appointment to speak to you now
sazzles that was an amazing amount of housework you did yesterday, I would have broke out in a rash or something.
hope you are relaxing today.

Yawning all.
Yesterday was a fiasco - I ended up having a snotty teary breakdown infront of the neighbour and phoning DH and insisting he came home NOW! - he had just called to say that he read the timetable wrong and the train was at 6 not 4 so wouldn't be home till 8.
I made him ask his friends to drive him back, but only when I told him I was worried I might do something awful to the baby (not that far gone really, but only way to get a boot up his arse)

A tense calm decended and he did actually settle the baby after I fed her a few times, but then at the 4am feed gave up. In the end I just left him to it and went and sat on a bench down the road for half an hour and had a good cry. On returning - about 6am, he FINALLY got the message that I really, really need help from him and a hug is a good place to start.

PILs have taken the baby for the day and we are trying not to argue talking. Absolutely knackered though.

We are seeing a Pead this week and I have been beaten into submission on the late bedtime front (anything for a quiet life emoticon)

DH has a deep suspicion an any and all advice sought from the internet (damn those lectures I gave him about wikipedia not being definitive) so that's a bit tricky for me as it is my prime source of info at the moment. He still doesn't believe you are real people.

Right best get on.

steak so sorry I forgot to reply to your last post.
I think it shows dh must care about your relationship if he has made first step to counciling sessions.
Forgive me if this comes across blunt,as I just want to help thats all, but can I echo what oops suggested re PND. Do you think thit could be a possibility??
I honestly can say, if you sort you out first everything else will fall into place. It is very important to look after yourself,and I know how hard that is as we often come at the bottom as we are conditioned that that our babies needs come first.(obviously they do and are important)
I am probably not getting across want I want to say very well, so will leave it to others who do it much better.
Or maybe it just is plain and simple.ie If dh helped more everything would be better.

I have realised that I am never going to get round the clock support from dh, we are programmed so very differently, and he has his work, does more than his fair share around the home, and helps with dcs however/whenever he can.
I have/do the main care of the children, may sound old fashioned ( I honestly pictured 50/50 before we had dcs) but this is how it is and its ok now.
Yes I sometimes wish I didnt have to ask him to do things with or for them
yes I wish I had more time to myself
Yes I wish he would get up in the night more often
Yes I wish I could have a lay in more often on the days he is off, instead of him as he feels he needs to catch up on sleep.
sorry rambling on now could be here all day.....

Sorry if bits sounded patronising not meant to. I just basically think it sounds like you are at breaking point, and I think you should maybe get outside help for yourself.

Wish I was closer I have huge shoulders to cry on.

no1 yes tis probably PND - though feels daft saying that after nealry 8 months, though easier than saying just plain old D.

Though I think the main trigger for it is feelings of lack of support from DH (real or imagined) as well as feelings of isolation.

I am hoping that both the Paed and the counsellor will be able to give us some strategies. I do feel for DH it must be hard/scary/difficult for him, which I guess he is showing through his behaviour. On the upside though we are both monumentally stubborn and both think we are always right, we can both back down.

I have just made him read the WHO website on breastfeeding so now at least he accepts my desire to try to continue BFing till 12 months.

Aw Steaky, just go back to bed if there's no baby around, sleeeeeeeeeep. Or are you planning an outing just the two of you? Even just coffee or lunch out together might be nice.

TS I too was torturing myself with travel tv yesterday. Watched a show about Turkey, where I had 2 escorted holidays on my own as a teenager (me and a bunch of single teachers generally), so beautiful on the coast down there, and relatively cheap. Have decided when Kurt is at least 5, we will do a gulet (motorised yacht) holiday with crew and chef. Can't face foreign travel with 3 kids til then. In the meantime I went to stalk FB my Turkish holiday romance who I met up with both times,and OMG he has aged so well, silvery hair now and am remembering the sparkly blue eyes and dimples til Tuesday .

steaky there is no time limit on PND - was told by someone that the adrenaline rush of new baby runs out at about 6months and the late nights/no sleep etc etc all really hits after that - makes sense to me and all totally understandable - hope you both continue to talk and we're here for all the imaginary help/advice that you need

no1 high was gone this morning but just given them another coat so right back up there am now having a wallpaper dilema as the one I bought (although lovely) isn't the one I meant to buy and I've seen another one that I think would suit better

damn my indecision

Better just explain about the 'escorted holiday', sounds so dodgy. It was a tour company not officially for singles but each group had a tour leader who co-ordinated everything and got us all drunk a lot. My mum thought her fed up 18yr old need a holiday to get over fing up her A levels. Was a v good idea actually, I got a chance to learn some non-sexual social skills! I went back again the next year after I f*ed up at my clearing uni, broke up with a boyfriend, got a scary STD and resat A Levels. My mum has some funny ideas about parenting - if the kids screw themselves up, pay for a holiday!

Hi Steaky I have no wise words of wisdom but sending you {{{HUGS}}} hope you and DH have a day of good constructive discussion and enjoy a little together time.

new painter quote? £60 old painter has been told services no longer required

girls outside in the garden supposidly painting pictures on their stand - so far I can see handprints on fences, doors, floor, sink and tap god bless ELC and its washable paint

if you did that for him no onder it was only £60.

Steak I can't add much of value to what others have said, other than my commiserations on things being so hard at the moment. Agree though that it sounds like he wants things to work as much as you do, however different and oblique his approach might be, and that's a good start. Wishing you a day to enjoy each other

oops we had a joke night here too - had just settled down to watch a film when screaming rang out from above. Joe was proper upset, screaming and yelling, and no amount of comforting from either of us seemed to help. I offered him the boob but he went crazy, it was like I'd tried to poison him or something. Finally he produced a string of farts and an echoing belch and seemed much happier. We put him straight in with us after that and actually had a nice night's sleep, including a snuggly two hour nap this morning for him and me

Think it was wind and teething as he was crimson-cheeked all day yesterday and has a runny bottom - he did a horridious green poo on the changing mat earlier after I'd got his nappy off, of course

Still no teeth though!

Eggy bread for breakfast here and I am just about to embark upon a roast chicken lunch as Joe is snoozing in the car seat.

Hi gang, all well here, hope things are pleasant where you are? Madly busy here trying to pack the house into cardboard boxes, hopefullly moving on 8th May

We have managed to reduce down to one feed per night. I'm slowly coming round to the idea of stopping feeding sometime soon. Who knows!!

Knitting/fashion fans I need your help please! Saw a lady in a cardi thingy last night and I want it but don't know how to google it. It was basically a very long strip of knitting with 2 slits for arms - so it's short at the back with 2 long dangly bits at the front that you flip across each shoulder. A knitting pattern would do as my mum's friend is a knitting whizz and could make it for me. Maybe I should just make one out of an old sheet for her to replicate in wool?

Did I mention that I went to see a storytelling show in a replica iron age roundhouse last night? Magical it was, with a fire in the middle and a hole in the roof for the smoke and light, violin and mandolin all part of the story and hot apple juice in the interval.

Have had a lovely 3hrs to myself today - NCT sale (as a punter), quick food shop followed by coffee and sushi on a bench in the sunshine.

ohh CC thats brilliant news, fingers crossed it all goes smoothly

Buckets night sounds great, I've no idea how to google but I'll give it a whirl

not what you wanted Buckets but I liked this one here!! shall go back to original remit!

buckets can't see one straight off and varnishing doors call but if I've time later I'll have another look, maybe Miamla and Steaky are the girls to help though

I hope your friend finds mn sazz I remember TS saying how supportive the mc avengers thread was.

Now, is anyone else broody? Not sure why but I really really would like to be pg again. Not going to happen though as dh is adamant that he only wants 2 (and I had to hassle him like crazy to ttc no.2!). Like most things, I'm sure its just a passing phase, and I'm not upset about it, just wondered if anyone else was brooding?

Bathtime draws near for little Oliver, he's downstairs squeaking with Grandma , and ds1 is hassling me for chocolate angel delight....

Oh yes CC I think you will find several broody ladies on this thread (not me of course, oh no...)

It doesn't help that I am so in love with Joe right now, and with the fact of us being a family I remain sensible only by the groaning of my wrists which are in constant pain from lugging the enormous chubby little darling around.

Buckets that storytelling thing sounds amazing, as does your time alone time - most of both. We've had a lovely day here with lots of sorting, clearing and family stuff getting done but once again I have failed to find any time in the day just for me, unless you count the two hour sleep I had with Joe this morning (I don't since, delicious as it was, it's not really the same as having two hours at leisure).

Still, we now have one sleepy little lion in bed, one DP in the attic making wonky noises and one smiling mummy in a sunny bedroom MNing listing stuff on eBay.

Chicken turned out lush, I was most proud. Joe loves his roast dinners!

AAAAAAGGGGHHHHH
Why the hell won't both my children go to bed again tonight??
What has gone wrong???
bed routine was just a joke, dh heard me ranting so came upstairs to see if I needed help, made it worse as dd then sobbed as he was leaving for work.
Red wine is half gone open
chips and cheese currently being eaten
ds after crying upstairs for nearly an hour is sat here in his car seat.
dd is layed playing in ds travel cot watching tv
Both happy but more importantly quiet.

off to catch up

broodiness here.

Ds is our last though so trying to enjoy his babyness....

Sazzles - I tried DD infront of ITNG on Friday when I desperately needed her to be occupied whilst I made brownies. When the little girly creature came on she burst into tears and so she ended up watching the news without any sound - she loves faces so the news readers just staying still making faces is perfect.

No1 - hope you soon have sleeping kiddies.

CC - yay for moving day - do you have someone to watch the boys that day?

Buckets - story telling sounds fab - the kind of thing I love but Dh protests about until he gets there then loves it too.

Cyteen - roast sounds yummy - DD loved the one we had out too - she ate 2 whole roasties, some veg and mangled chewed a bit of DH's beef. She also loved DH's garlic mushrooms and my artichokes.

DH took us out to lunch today then we came home and have a 2 hour family nap DD now in bed sleeping soundly. Mum reckons that she was most probably processing all that happened last night in her sleep hence the restless night.