October 08 - Growth spurts and rolling and sitting and stuff

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Here we go again...

10th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - loulou33 - Boy - Joe Louis David - 6lbs 12oz - Induction due to rhesus sensitivity, G&A.
12th Sept (Due 6th Oct) - iuseantiageingstuff - Boy - Fred William - 8lbs 13.5oz - Induction due to high BP.
14th Sept (Due 14th Oct) - twinklytoes - Boy - Samuel - 7lbs 4.5oz - Em C-Sec due to grade 4 PP.
16th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - Ksal - Girl - Emma Rae - 6lbs - Just beat induction for PE!
20th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - kookiegoddess - Girl - Reya Marie - - Induction due to OC, epidural, 3rd degree tear.
21st Sept (Due 5th Oct) - myjobismum - Girl - Naomi Caitlin - 5lbs 10oz - Fast and furious hospital birth.
22nd Sept (Due 10th Oct) - Lozza70 - Boy - Sander Gene - 7lbs 5oz - Em C-Sec due to raised BP and high ALTs from liver.
27th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - accessorizequeen - Boy twin - Felix - 6lbs 8oz -
27th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - accessorizequeen - Girl twin - Bridget - 7lbs 7oz -
1st Oct (Due 29th Sept) - WombFor1More - Boy - Harvey James - 8lbs 13oz - Homebirth, no pain relief.
2nd Oct (Due 4th Oct) - annwoo - Boy - TBA - 8lbs 7oz - Amazing birth!
2nd Oct (Due 30th Sept) - sambrads - Girl - Brooke - 7lbs 9.5oz -
2nd Oct (Due 12th Oct) - star6 - Boy - Quinlan - 5lbs 15oz - 36hr labour, ventouse and stitches.
2nd Oct (Due 8th Oct) - Alexa808 - Girl - Tienette - 7lbs 4.5oz - Planned c-sec
3rd Oct (Due 5th Oct) - rosebury - Boy - Austin - 9lbs 2oz - Delivered at home by dh!
3rd Oct (Due 6th Oct) - Bethoo - Girl - Maia - 7lbs -
3rd Oct (Due 6th Oct) - hoff - Boy - Oliver - -
3rd Oct (Due 19th Oct) - MrsTittleMouse - Girl - - -
3rd Oct (Due Sept) - purpleflower - Girl - - 8lbs 10.5oz - Homebirth with paramedics due to meconium.
4th Oct (Due 2nd Oct) - 1sttimer80 - Boy - - 8lbs 10.5oz -
4th Oct (Due 30th Sept) - Aubergenie - Boy - Stanley - 7lbs 12oz -
5th Oct (Due 29th Sept) - plusonemore - Boy - Alfie Thomas - 8lbs - Induction, epidural
5th Oct (Due 2nd Oct) - MrsBish - Girl - Rachel - 8lbs 8oz -
5th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - hedgepig - Boy - Oliver - 6lbs 3oz -
5th Oct - CherryChoc - Boy - Ryan - 6lbs 11oz - 3 day labour with natural birth in hospital
7th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - Emmsy1 - Girl - Amy Louise - 5lbs 12oz -
7th Oct (Due 2nd Oct) - snowymum - Boy - Rowan Michael - - Home water birth
8th Oct (Due 6th Oct) - ronshar - Boy - William Dexter - 7lbs 11oz -
8th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - 07mumstheword - Girl - Freya Mae - 7lbs 12oz -
8th Oct (Due 16th Oct) - moodywren - Boy - Hayden - 6lbs 9.5oz - Homebirth
9th Oct (Due 27th Sept) - Pidge - Boy - Arthur - 8lbs 14oz - Homebirth
9th Oct (Due 17th) - Marthasmama - Girl - Martha - 7lbs 10oz - Elective c-sec
10th Oct (Due 1st Oct) - CantSleepWontSleep - Boy - Duncan Elliot - 8lbs 4oz - 4 day induction with 1 hour established labour!
11th Oct (Due 3rd Oct) - usuallytooshytochat - Girl - Megan Leah - 8lbs 2oz - Homebirth with ambulance crew!
11th Oct (Due 14th Oct) - tedmundo - Boy - Patrick Francis - 6lbs 15oz - C-Sec for breech
12th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - pistachio - Boy - Thomas Fraser - 10lbs 2oz - Homebirth.
13th Oct (Due 15th Oct) - mum2jakeyroo/jrsqueak - Boy - Joshua - 7lbs 2oz - Delivered in car by dh!
13th Oct (Due 7th Oct) - belgo - Boy - Wolf - 8lbs 7oz - Home water birth
13th Oct (Due 19th Oct) - rach010 - Girl - - 6lbs 11oz - Gas & air, small tear, no stitches.
13th Oct (Due 21st Oct) - caramelbunny - Girl - Megan Ruby - 5lbs 12oz - Em C-Sec under GA.
13th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - firsttimer08 - Boy - - -
15th Oct (Due 29th Sept) - perkypopsy - Girl - Stella Frances - 8lbs 14oz -
16th Oct (Due 17th Oct) - rowanmac - Girl - Anna Ruth - 7lbs 2oz - 2 hours ARM to placenta delivery.
16th Oct (Due 12th Oct) - milfakamonkeymonkeymoomoo - Boy - - 9lbs 13.5oz - Home water birth
16th Oct (Due 11th Oct) - heather1980 - Boy - Alexander James - 9lbs 5oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - ajm200 - Girl - Amelia Caitlyn - 7lbs 2oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - pepperrabbit - Girl - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 15.5oz -
17th Oct (Due 27th Oct) - Rhian82 - Boy - - - Episiotomy and ventouse.
17th Oct (Due 22nd Oct) - pingviner - Boy - Teemu Finn - 7lbs 15oz - Em C-Sec
18th Oct (Due 13th Oct) - YumMum22 - Boy - - 10lbs - Home water birth
20th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - emkay - Boy - - 9lbs 8oz -
20th Oct (Due 16th Oct) - bigmouthstrikesagain - Girl - Polly - 8lbs 7oz - Good hospital birth with synto drip.
21st Oct (Due 16th Oct) - WheresTheAuPair - Boy - Finley Peter - 9lbs 7oz - Elective c-sec
21st Oct (Due 21st Oct) - hansnava - Girl - Sophia Leigh - 7lbs 6oz - Elective c-sec
23rd Oct (Due 26th Oct) - 4andnotout - Girl - Tilly-Grace - 7lbs 0.5oz - 2 pushes and out!
24th Oct (Due 29th Oct) - Ekka - Boy - Matthew - 7lbs 15oz - Home water birth with gas and air.
26th Oct (Due 24th Oct) - sparklesandwine - Girl - Poppy - 8lbs 13oz -
26th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - jenwa - Girl - Phoebe Jasmine - 9lbs 2.5oz -
27th Oct (Due 23rd Oct) - nuclear - Boy - - 8lbs 13oz - Gas & air and some stitches.
28th Oct (Due 30th Oct) - Jambers99 - Girl - Hannah Louise - 7lbs 3oz - Straightforward and quick labour.
31st Oct (Due 20th Oct) - KnickersOnMaHead - Boy - Samuel Paul - 9lbs 11oz - No stitches!
31st Oct (Due 21st Oct) - GirlWithTheMouseyHair - Boy - Ethan Christopher Loy - - Homebirth.
1st Nov (Due 25th Oct) - Flum - Boy - Bob - 8lbs 10oz - 4 hour labour with gas & air, pethidine and a healthy dose of champagne!
1st Nov (Due 22nd Oct) - SmudgeyDoodle - Girl - - 8lbs 2oz - Hospital water birth.
5th Nov (Due 29th Oct) - Honeymoonmummy - Girl - Poppy Grace - 6lbs 15oz -
5th Nov (Due 30th Oct) - MamaG - Boy - Harry James - 10lbs 9oz - Em C-Sec. Back to back and knotted cord around neck.
5th Nov (Due 23rd Oct) - Sallypuss - Girl - Eibhlin Alexandra - 9lbs 4oz - Induction, 15 hour labour then emergency c-section.

Ksal - It's developmental re: recognizing you at pick up... Q is so happy with my friend while I'm at school 8-3.45, when I pick him up or go to feed him at lunch time he's happy but it's not like this big happy reaction just for seeing me. It made me really at first, too. But now I know it is just his age.

Same reaction re: DH here as well. squealing and hands out and happy when Q sees him. I'm not sure if this helps... but just so you can hear that it's not abnormal. I'm sure Emma loves you and feels very close to you.

See your GP re: PND. It can still be happening now. SOrry to hear that you are feeling so sad

star thank you so much for the re-assurance! I can't tell you how much it means to know that it is happening to someone else (and therefore totally normal). There's no way i could confide this to my real life mum friends, not least because they aren't going back to work yet.

myjob - I'm not sure i can go to the doc's... When i was low before they were keen for me to take anti-depressants and i really don't want to. My mood seems so closely linked to how Emma is or how she is doing (particularly more recently) that i think it must be emotional rather than chemical, if that makes sense.

Ksal - I completely understand how you are feeling, you are not abnormal by any stretch and yes, things can get better. I had to fall in love with DS gradually. He was awful for the first three months and I just felt I had made a terrible mistake in having him. Then once the crying stopped at three months, he became really demanding and needed entertaining constantly. I had no time to eat, to do any washing or anything. I would be tearing my hair out when DH came home. I would phone him in tears during the day and scream that I couldn't cope. DS hated being picked up by me but didn't want to be put down. When DH came home he would chill out. I was convinced DS hated me and I didn't feel I loved him at all. Then he started getting around on his own and his personality started to show. He was fun! I finally got to know him and finally fell in love with him when he was about 9/12 months. From the age of 1 - 4 he wouldn't let anyone else comfort him, cuddle him, bathe him, it had to be me! Now he's 5.5 and we're good friends. Our first year with DS put us off having more babies for a long time. That first year is so challenging. Things have been totally different with DD, I feel I bonded with her immediately. But despite that, she lights up when DH or DS come home. She smiles for me but she would rather be with DH than me. I figure she gets bored of me during the day when it's just us. And as Star says, it is a developmental thing regarding nursery pick-ups and she will respond to you soon. Once when I bought a 2 year old DS home from nursery he screamed and screamed, tried to get out of the front door crying that he wanted his real mummmy. He said he didn't like me, that I was not his real mummy and he wanted his real mummy to come and get him. So, even when they're older they can still stick the knife in! Go to the GP get some help for feeling so down, but don't worry about not feeling that you've not bonded. It is entirely normal and if you search the threads on here you'll see that loads of mums feel the same.

thankyou mm, that post really helps a lot

I'm really sorry to hear that K-Sal, I'm onr of the ladies MyJob was referring to I think. I'm not sure if I have PND or I'm just overtired and over-anxious, I got a full nghts sleep and feel so much better today so i've delayed going to the docs, I'm going to see how I get on.

I started a thread in health - depression and one lady said you don't have to have antidepressants, I think she said progesterone tablets were good, I'd rather keep off the tablets too and have therapy instead if necessary.

I have just asked the HV this morning about Poppy not really liking close cuddles, but that's with me or anyone, she said that's quite common for girls, they tend to be more independent and boys tend to be more clingy.

Do search for or start a new thread if you don't get your mind put to rest here. Post-natal depression manifests itself in many ways and could well be causing an "emotional" bonding problem for you.

x

Sorry it was in health - mental health.

Sorry you are feeling bad KSal. I am on pills now but that wasn't my only option. The GP gave me a choice of either leaving it and it will ge eventually, counselling, pills or counselling and pills. I didn't want to carry on like this and counselling doesn't work for me so I went down the pills route.

Hello ladies. Sorry that I didn't get back on last night. Thought I'd better do a quick post now as I may be going out tonight . A friend is having a Pampered Chef party, and we proved last night that dh can resettle ds when he wakes during the evening (which has become frequent of late), so it is an option if I can be bothered.

Sorry to hear that some of you are feeling low. There is lots of help out there and on here if you are willing to ask for it, but it's not my specialist subject so you will have to settle for virtual tea and cake and a listening ear from me.

I forgot to respond to whoever was surprised by me giving ds chicken at the weekend. The lll actually recommend that meat is the second thing that you give to a baby, after a fruit or veg. Red meat in particular is full of iron, so a great thing to have at a time when their iron stores are starting to deplete.
Tonight ds had slow roasted shoulder of lamb with cous cous and roasted veg (aubergine, courgette, mushrooms, peppers) .

Jeesus. There is no way Poppy is ever getting roasted shoulder of lamb with cous cous and roasted veg unless there's a microwavable ready meal of that out there

Really sorry to hear about your feelings Ksal. I can't offer any advice other than whats already been said sadly.

CSWS - D's meal sounds delicious! I'm jealous! How did you do the lamb (temp & time etc)? I don't have many recipes for that sort of thing....

Major excitement here has been dd who after tea has used the potty twice (successfully both times!) at her own request . Am wondering if perhaps I don't have enough excitement in my life though that I'm getting quite so excited over potties . She's being really independent today. dressing herself & insisting on putting on her own shoes/coat etc, can't believe how quickly they grow up.... However ds shows no intention of rolling/sitting yet, so he isn't going to be independent any time soon

Poor DS myjob. Has he gone to sleep now?
Feel like shite today, had a lovely evening out last night but got home late (ooh - 11.30) and DD was already winging. So got up at least 3 times to her before giving up at 5.50 and conceding the day had started. Can't tell if I'm tired, got a cold or coming down with something. Good news is it can't be what DS2 has as I don't have a willy .
DH just arrived home early from work with some kind of lingering tummy bug that just makes him feel rough but no actual heaving so that's something to look forward too.
sorry moan winge moan.
I'm sorry several of you are feeling down, it's an incredibly hard time and I think talking to people about how you feel does really help, as does proper medical advice and support.
Cat doesn't have a tumour or diabetes or a thyroid problem or an infection so after 3 weeks of tests, several strategically difficult trips to the vets and #512 (still can't find pound sign ). She is apparently fine..... she's just lost half her body weight in 2 months

Awww, poor little boy Myjob. I am tough as old boots but I would have probably blubed too. I hope he's ok and that a good night's sleep will sort those poor little fingers out. It's good to hear that there's nothing wrong with Naomi's appetite! M still isn't too impressed with solids!

Pepper - Pack a bag, book yourself into a spa and leave that sickly lot too it! You can almost guarantee once they're all well again, you'll come down with something. You're going to need a looonnng break after they all recover.

Hmm - Very glad you're feeling a bit brighter, but it might be best not to put a visit to the gp off. It's best to get something sorted as soon as you can and while you're feeling better today, you might feel worse again tomorrow. I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I just worry that you might be convincing yourself you're ok. Feel free to tell me to bugger off, but if you surpress or ignore depression, it can become more serious in the long run. You're a very important lady, you're P's mummy and you need to look after yourself.

Ksal - I'm glad my post helped you. I think you should consider going to the doctor or at least speak to your HV. Even if you feel that your low feelings are caused by external factors, you can upset the chemical balance in your brain and end up with chemical depression. You can try lots of stragies to help lift depression including exercise and diet, plus making sure you're getting enough sleep. You don't have to tkae tablets if you don't want to, you should be offered alternatives. Here is some info you might find useful for self help if you really don't want to go to the drs.

CSWS - Your DS eats better than I do. Yum!

Purpleflower - Hope you start to feel better soon. Coping with dc is hard enough when you're feeling well! I agree with Myjob - INSIST on having a smear, you have two children. It is not acceptable for them to refuse you.

I'm a bit worried because my cyst is complex which can be baaaad! Oh dear, previous ones were simple. I'm sure it will be ok, but feeling a bit concerned.

Ekka - congrats re potty training!

MyJob - I didn't mind at all. Poor DS! Enjoy your swimming tomorrow

Pepper, has your cat had an x-ray to check for any blockages? I hope she starts gaining weight soon x

MM - bugger off I don't know what a complex cyst means?

I know she will Myjob. It's so funny watching her try food. She has a taste then get's bored and wants to do something else!

HI all, sorry to hear people are feeling so low - i think its quite common for 'baby blues' to become more pronounced around 4-6 months into pnd and it is best to get it sorted sooner rather than later.

KSAL - sorry to hear you feel your lo doesn't get so excited when she sees you. I wonder if as she spends sop much time with you, she doesn't get excited as she does about daddy as he is a 'rarer treat' iyswim. Don't oanic about attachment though, what MM said was spot on and you can grow to love them when they are easier to look after. We all love children at different stages, some love newborns, some toddlers and some teenagers. I didn't like ds1 a great deal when he was a baby as he was really hard work but we are really close now.

Ronshar - do you need to have a smear after childbirth even if you're not due one?? I had one done 3 years ago, and my gp practice calls me every 5 years, should i have another now?? i'm not keen to go but still...

CSWS - it was me that mentioned meat as my hv told me not to give meat/protein until 7 months or until they have started to eat at least 6 tablespoons of food at a sitting. something to do with preparing their tummies for heavier food as meat is so hard to digest. However, Joe is so hungry at mealtimes that i have started giving him lentils tonight which he loved. I am so confused - why is the advice so conflicting???

Jenwa - hope you are doing ok with your dad and the letter. Sorry to hear about your dd's night terrors, they are really scary to watch. You're right to wake her 15 mins before they are due to happen and keep her awake for 10 mins to re-set her REM sleep in the right place. However, it can take a week or so of doing that to re-set her sleep cycle. If she wakes later and has one dspite you wkaing her, you may need to wake her several times a night to get it cracked as you have about 4-5 full cycles a night. its knackering but it usually works well. Good luck

Girls - lovely to read all your messages but that so many of us are having a hard time one way or another. I can only echo what others have said in that I think babies do get used to whoever is with them all the time and get more excited by others. I also think that the novelty is starting to wear off of the new baby, and so the monotony starts to get to you. It's good to have things to look forward to. Even if it's things like a haircut or a quick drink with friends.
DS slept for 2 hours yesterday early evening and then still slept the whole night. Seemed a lot happier today so must have needed it. DD still not sleeping great but I think that's just where we're at. Whoever said that there must be teeth here soon. DS started teeting at 4 months and didn't have any teeth til 14 months! Chocolate cake calls - anyone else found that chocolate cake in a mug that you can cook in 5 minutes? It's really dangerous!

I saw that Smudgey but shut my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and tried very hard to ignore it. They'd have to remove the wall of my house to get me out if I had that recipe!

Hi all
So sorry some of you feling so low. Sometimes I think you can wizz along for ages being 'fine' and suddenly it hits you as you start to want to get a bit of life back again and you get stuck in a rut.
I think what others have said has been great advice. You do need to look after yourselves though

pepper glad you enjoyed the meal but shame things went pear shaped after that. Agree to the spa break, think we should arrange a MN one

loulou thank you. I did wake DD the other day but not for long enough as she woke about 15 mins later screaming again. I did not realise they had to be awake for a while! Will try tonight as its been every night for 2 weeks now.
Have not managed to write that letter yet, I will do but have had no time as been out the house due to the ceiling being repaired! Mum spoke to Dad and he wanted to call or send flowers and she said not to as he always does that. He just needds to change his ways and prove he can be better and think before he speaks! They are going to see a counsellor inafew weeks and mum mentioned about him giving up work as that is stressing him too, I feel he needs to do something to occupy his mind though as being at home will give him no new thoughts or things to reflect up on in the day other than past experiences. WHen he retired from the police he was bored and when we spoke to him about situations he always referred to things about the past as had nothing new to talk about. I am hoping he could do somehting like volunteer work with animals maybe. I will put that in the letter Thank you for your advice though, you have been very helpful.

I need to shoot into town to see if I can get some trainers for dd1 as sure her feet are getting squashed

Yipee. After my moans the other night William has slept through for TWO whole nights.

Yes all women are eligible for a smear regardless of age. Especially if you have had children. Get down to the surgery and demand one. Just book it with the nurse. Most surgery's run a dedicated womens stuff clinic. Mine is called the Primrose clinic. How twee. Considering all the nurse and doctors do is stick stuff in and take stuff out.

I would repeat what has been said and if you are feeling down in anyway about being a mum then try to get help now before it becomes a pattern. I have real issues with DD1. She was unplanned and I was too young etc, etc. My relationship with her does suffer because I never really accepted my life as a mum properly. I always felt trapped and my poor baby girl got the blame. I love her dearly and wouldnt change a single thing, but I look back and my main emotion from those early years is one of unhappyness. I went out to work full time and only really got into the whole mother thing when pregnant with DD2. It is much better now but DD1 does behave different and also reminds me constantly about me not being there when she was little

Myjob give those poor little fingers a big magic kiss from me.

MM will the quacks be removing your ovary & tube or just Ovary?

Stop talking about chocolate. It is ages until Easter and I still havent broken. Pesky DD1 and her great idea of giving it up for Lent!! She doesnt even believe in God, why is she torturing me like this

Don't know yet ronshar, but it's the ovary itself that is the problem. I will see the specialist soon but I hassled the radiographer to talk to me about what he saw! He was surprised they hadn't taken it out before as I've had a couple. I'm finding motherhood more 'natural' this time round. With DS I would often have that sudden realisation that 'Oh my God, I've got a son!' but I don't have that anymore. We were in a similar situation to you, DS wasn't planned, DH and I had been together for three months (but we have known each other for 19 years) and we were very young in attitude. I used to spend all my money on fags, alcohol and shoes!

Jenwa - What a fabulous idea! An MN spa break, we would have to find somewhere in the middle of the country so that Loulou can come!

I took M to be weighed this morning. She is 16lb 4 now. I thought she hadn't put on that much but she is a little chunky monkey! We had to put her in 6-9 month jeans this morning as the 3-6 month ones were skin tight! I hate it when she starts growing out of certain clothes, she's getting so big. I got a bit told off by the HV for not doing tummy time with M, but she hates it so much . I do occasionally make her do it, but she does proper sobbing, I feel so guilty.