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When did Cruz and Mateo arrive in relation to due date?

CM you only need one hand to bake a cake

AM called for a chat today she is coming to see me next week

SKY my lovely so sorry i missed your post, how are you about it now? Did i thank you for the gorgeous jumper you sent for Indie? It is so sweet, thank you.

She needs feeding in an hour, you boobies still work right?

Sorry TYg you are having problems I quite clearly cant offer any advice. But chin up my lovely just think of the wonderful children adn husband you have. Thats what I do. Obviously only when they are all soft and snugly and sleeping.

SOH I think you should go but do as TYG suggested duck out early and go enjoy the hotel on your own or even better we could all come to London and have a night out sans children.

SKY have a fantastic time. Looking forward to seeing some photos.

MrsJM am uber of a whole day and night to pamper and go out and the mojitos

GIN..Im so sorry, I cant come today.I feel like death with a cough and cold and Mae and Lils have conjunctivitus..I think you could well do without all that lot..So sorry though as was looking forward to a squidge with India..I will send your present down..

What has he done Jam?

Have a good time Sky.will be fabbo..

I have no issue leaving either of my girls TBH..I miss them when im away but for me its essential to have some time off otherwise I go insane.I understand why people are anxious though.If you want to leave DH and Tilda here SOH, save on your hotel then feel free..we are only 35 mins out of London on the train.TYG is right.A sober hen night would be hideous.Or cold you not explain to your friend and arrange to do something seperate with her, like take her to a nice afternoon tea or something?

TYG..I think you sound a wee bit like I was a few months ago.Sometimes it all does just get a bit much just coping with two small children.(plus you have S who I know is not much issue but still a consideration).You forget who you are a bit sometimes I think..Also you have had a huge change going from busy job to busy being at home..its not an easy adjustment to make even if you dont miss work particularly.Its just aspects of the lifestyle that you might have enjoyed may not be there anymore.You are doing all the right things though with the exercise and going away for a night will do you good..
Obv I dont know what else to suggest as I myself am not right in the head but..anyway..hugs..

How are you going with the your two Elkie?Has he still been feeding ok and everything?

Will do hotel search today Mrs J when I get a min..

Well our carpet is finally here It looks lovely.I honestly cannot believe how dreadful that shagpile was!Obv I am now on pins and following Mae around with a bottle of 1001 trouble shooter and a dirt buster for when she spills something on it-its inevitable
We are finally finished downstairs now (2 years to do three ruddy rooms-ridiculous) and only have our room and the bathroom to go.We are leaving it a while though, as a)skint, b)cant be bothered-will be nice to have a few months doing nothing around the house for once.If DH has passed his exam (finds out next Thurs, eek) it will be eerily quiet.What on earth will we do with ourselves with, well, nothing to do?We may end up divorced.

I wonder what the chances are of getting the girls to lie in bed with me all day?Not high?All my bones are achy.To be fair I havent been ill for at least 3 weeks which may be a new record for me!

MRSJB the skiing sounds fab,i have never been! Too many 'hot' holidays to do first!! The hot chocolate sounds good though. We are getting very friendly with the lovely French couple who are on an exchange here. They have 2 children and she is expecting her third in June. We had them over for a dinner party, their English is fantastic and our French is appaling! They are super nice about it though. I speak French to the little girl because she doesnt laugh at me when i get it wrong

AM hope you are taking it a bit eaasy with that horrid cold of yours. You must rest you are growing a baby!

TYG my sweet come for a visit, join in with the chaos of the gin house. It will distract you at least and we can dring tea and gossip. Scoot you too when you feel better

My head is much the same as you TYG FULL! I only have so much room for it all and find myself a bit tearful atm for the silliest things. I know it is just a culmination of all that has happened in the last 3 months, am hoping it dies down soon.

The constant demands of small children is hellish at times. They just dont stop and some days you seem to go from crisis to crisis. Shopping is my favourite atm Argh!

What is going on with the family? FB me

SKY have a fantastic time and party all night

SOH i say go, you will have fun when you get in to it. Stay in a hotel and enjoy the peace and rest. Will you have to express? Also have fun at CP, i am uber jealous

TMAM another weekend away...

I need a holiday with some sun and a good book. Fat chance.

I may start a thread about my family ishoos today. Am still struggling

Beau watching Fineas and Ferb, his new phrase is wait for it.... 'Man up'

What do you expect from #7. No cute words here or such talent as name spelling. He is as likely to think his name is one of 7 various for the amount of time i get it right

Blimey sounds like we could all do with a few nights away without the children and try to forget about our family problems or it could be one big councilling session.

AM how are oyu feeling lovey is Ella better?

Scoot you could get some of those overshoe carrier bag things and make everyone wear them.

Has anything new happened love?Or still getting your head around it all? Give me a ring if you want a chat..I am a trained and qualified counsellor y know?I wouldnt recomend myself though..I would probably make anyone who came to see me worse
Actually I never actually practiced as I recognised I wasnt very good.Even in the lessons when we had to do roleplay I wanted to shake my 'client' and tell them to Man up, which wasnt part of the listening approach advocated...

(not that im telling you to man up you understand..your problems are actual problems iyswim..sorry im prattling.Its the Lemsip plus cold and flu tabs.I think I have OD'd myself)

FWIW There has been a huge family row here too which has resulted in no one really speaking to my brother and my Mother sobbing daily on the phone.I spoke to him on Tuesday with the aim of effecting a calm reconciliation between all parties (ala counselling training) and got so riled that I still cant calm down every time I think of it.(ala why I am not a very good counsellor )

Mae has somehow cut her toe this morning.So carpet paranoid am I that I have triple plastered it and put a bandage on top of that.She is hobbling around with a huge dressing on now.She WILL NOT get blood on my flooring!She is not loving her new apendage.

Morning all

Ella is the spotted wonder. Was fine for the last 2 days (whilst we were away) but today the spots are really itching her and she has SO many in and around her bits that its driving her mad. She has had the bi-carb in the bath, but hates the lotion. She is dosed up on calpol during the day and nurofen at night poor little mite.

Cold has now turned into a hacking cough - nice!

And the most annoying thing about the pox...... my friend had a baby on Tuesday and i cant go for a squeeze until Ella is better

Scoot, YAY for the carpet.

Sorry to those of you who are having tough times with families. I hope things work out they way you want xx

Has Jack had already?
Neither of my two have had it-we have suspected it often but it has never arrived..

What happened with your work in the end?

Has Jack had already?
Neither of my two have had it-we have suspected it often but it has never arrived..

What happened with your work in the end?

Yes Jack had it when Ella was about 3mths old.

I have just emailed my tutor pleading for an extension as i cant get any work done whilst Ella is at home.

AM, the dr's here prescribe piriton or a similar anti histamine when the kids have CP, it's really good as it takes the itch away, you should try it, get some from the pharmacie.

Love to all those struggling,
I lukily don't have any family issues like that at the moment but I have just about had enough of the cruel cruel world that somehow thought it would be good to include cancer in it. DN's tumour has shrunk and seems to be responding to the grueling chemo well but it's still not hopeful. To top it off, you may remember my very close friend here went into remission last year after a tumour removed from near her liver. It's back, this time they are checking to see if it is in her lungs too after an MRI scan showed something up a few weeks ago. She got away with just radiotherapy last time but saw her consultant last night and this time it looks likely she'll need some chemo.

Scoot...... great counceling.

SKY, hope you have a lovely time.

SOH, go! I'm with the NO problem gang though, you want them, here have them all night, all day infact all week would be just lovely!!

Haha, Pharmacie!!
Chemist even. Just testing lg&t's french.

oh Mrs JB

SOH, my only nights away from D since he was born have been with the new one, although of course having a CS and the readmission have meant there were quite a lot of those. I also don't drink alcohol and can understand how you feel. I think a hotel, or taking up Scoot's invite, sound like a good solution, as you can go to the show with your friend but it makes it easier to leave the pub fairly quickly.

Sorry to hear of those who are struggling or have loved ones who are ill.

C seems to feed well, and fairly constantly, he looks quite well and alert and everything, but he's just not gaining weight fast enough, still. The HV didn't say I have to top up but did suggest that I should reintroduce at least one top up again. I expect the hospital will insist on more than that next week and I'm just so disapppointed, and not sure what the answer is.

What is the rationale behind top ups then?Im assuming with formula you mean?Why will that help with his weight? (As you can see , two kids in I am a total numpty abut feeding-Lily was breast fed till I was told to put her on formula as she was losing weight and I was losing my mind and M just had formula)

What does he weigh now?And who says wether its fast enough or not?

I only ask becuase our friends have just had DS1 and the Midwife ordered them to give him formula becuase he had lost 6 oz in his first week.(which sounds normalish to me).So I told them to call the bf counsellor and she told them he was fine and to ignore the midwife.So now they are in a panic about what to do because of the conflicting advice and I am no use as per above.

Scoot, I think health professionals like formula for two reasons. One is quite simply it's easy to measure the quantity that's going into a baby in a way it's not possible to do with breastmilk. Bottle fed babies often gain a bit faster and more consitently than breastfed babies. My opinion for my own baby is that I think he looks well, I'm feeding him quite constantly and I prefer breastfeeding for a variety of reasons to bottle feeding. And after all, he started off much bigger than his brother and wasn't jaundiced - does a healthy 10 lb baby need to gain at the same speed as a smaller less healthy one? I don't want to offend you or any formula feeders on here but I hated having to bottle feed ds1, and I've been really proud of myself for establishing and maintaining breastfeeding this time round despite the problems. If I said f* it, gave up bf and gave him SMA at this point, the hospital would be happy and I'd be wretchedly miserable, and that just seems wrong to me - this is a hospital where the maternity block is full of posters about the benefits of bf and their pro-bf policies, and I'm still in this situation.

MrsJB poor you and your dn and friend. Sending lots of love your way.

AM hope Ella is ok again soon,the worst part is usually over in 48hrs. Get the Piriton like MrsJB said, it is great. I used the calamine cream too not the lotion which dries and cracks. The cream is much better and does not stain either.

Elkie he was a biffa born though and he may have just eaten a little too wellin utero and is now finding hisown centile line. Mine have done it. I eat too many donuts carrots while pregnant and grow huge babies only to have them fall off their centile lines till they find their own. They then follow whatever line they fall toquite nicely. It takes about 4 months.

Indie has not been weighed since the midwife discharged us. My sil came yesterday with Isaac and he is almost 15lbs. He is HUGE! They were born a week apart and he was 8.14 born while Indie was 9lb 5. He feels much heavier then her. Was lovely to squish him. He is like a proper baby unlike Indie who looks 6 months old (dinky though) She pulls herself up and holds her head like a much older baby. Think she will be like B and will be sitting up at 5 months. I wanted a baby to stay a baby. She is only 9 weeks ffs.

SOH what are you thinking you may do?

Scoot PMSL at you and the toe When mine come to me bleeding (quite alot,as there are many of them) i always say "STOP, dont bleed on me/floor etc..." Such a cruel mummy

Have just written my mothers day card, resited the urge to put in it 'hope i am not such a disappointment to my children as you are to me' or 'have a nice day with my sister (your favourite)' or 'sorry for being such a rubbish daughter, hope my sister proves tobe better' There were lots more as you can imagine. Not that i thought about this at all...

Scoot, I'm obviously not going to be able to offer advice to your friends any more than you can about conflicting advice. What organisation is the bf counsellor they called linked to? Weight loss at the beginning is measured in percentages - up to 10% is considered ok normally by our health professionals (6 oz is almost certainly a lot less than 10% - as 6 x 10 = 60 oz is less than 4 lb - I'm assuming as you don't say otherwise your friends' baby was more or less term and in normal weight range of more than 6 or 7 lb!), more than that isn't.

If your friend wants to continue bf, I'd suggest keeping in touch with bf counsellors, making contact with local bf support groups, and pressing for support to avoid further weight loss rather than starting top ups immediately. And the breast feeding threads on mumsnet if she has internet access/time are a good place to come as well.

lg&t, I think your comment on C is probably spot on, I wish the health professionals we're currently involved with would see things that way.

Elkie stick with it and stop taking him to be weighed. If you can see he is healthy, growing out of his clothes, has a good sleep and lots of wet and dirty nappies then he is fine. Stay away for a while and i am sure he will even out Very proud of you

How is he otherwise elkie? Lots of wet nappies, mustardy poo, periods of alertness and no signs of dehydration?

It's a difficult situation because like elkie says it's impossible to know how much is going in when you bf. That is why it is very important to look at the bigger picture of how the child is in itself. HCPs obviously worry that if they don't see the weight gain they expect they are missing something important or being negligent in not ensuring a certain amount of milk is going in. Can you offer more feeds if you feel he needs it elkie? Or if they want to see milk going in, do you express?

I always say that weight alone is a bad indication of how a baby is doing. Especially those ruddy centiles. A child may be born big but this doesn't mean he's meant to stay that way, this is called 'catching down'. I had a baby born on the 50th centile and she was above the 99th within 12 weeks and has stayed there. You can get as much grief for overfeeding, believe me, but the thing is, M is supposed to be this way. She's tall and strong. Elkie, what's his length like? Does it tally with his weight?

I must say well done to you, it's a fabulous thing you're doing. BFing is such a battle, harder than I imagined.

I am leaving here and joining PFBNet! I won't leave her overnight. I hear only elkie's response. I'm still bfing which makes a difference perhaps. I rightly or wrongly think that I feel more tied to her because of this. If Dh and I were going away it would be different as I think that's important but I don't want to go away on my own and sit in a hotel staring at the wall.

I want to go out with my friend for her Hen night and I quite like Dirty Dancing in a postmodern ironic way.

X posts. I type too slowly.

AM, poor Ella.

Scoot, you sound very enamoured with your carpet.

LG&T, here you are.

I despise packing, I do. M is unpacking as we go along. I gave her a bag to pack some of her own stuff and she's put 3 daffodils (my daffodils), a daisy, 2 sticks, Shrek and one slipper in it.

Try and stick the daffodil tops back on..ask DH, works a treat Have a great time!

Their baby was 7 lbs 4 when born..I think its fine that he has lost that bit of weight and I think your C is doing fine too.I would keep on with the BFing..which is what I have said I would do to them..(the bf counsellor is an NCT one)I only ever had M weighed once or twice and she seemed fine to me..and if C seems fine to you and isnt obviously struggling and there are no other signs of him being underfed or under weight etc then surely that should be that.
I mean who thought up the centiles etc?What did people do before them?

I do love my carpet.I do.If you saw my old one you would understand.
Gin I must confess that on seeing the cut was not a bad one I was more concerned about the mess.I am a bad mummy..

Lil is asleep and has been for 2.5 hours.I think she has got my cold.M is also asleep I have just found a Lindt reindeer left over from Christmas..I expect it will last all of 5 minutes