December 2008 - Its not wind they are smiling.

[JamInMyWellies]

Here we go ladies Rosmerta suggestion.

[EffiePerine]

Hooray for Verso's DD! You weredue a good night - maybe we're sharing them out between us? DS2 slep well too - asleep 11is, woke at 12 and again at 3:30 and 6:30. Hauled myself out of bed at 3:30 to change his nappy, which I think helped him settle for another stretch. He's just woken again for another feed and an explosive poo .

All this meant I could get up promptly with DS1 and we had a nice breakfast rather than his usual (atm) screamathon.

WG: sorry you had an unsettled night, we had a long feed and vomit session in the evening but he calmed down later on, hope the same was true for you

[kayzr]

Verso Yahhhhhoooooooo!!!! You realy deserved that night.

WG I am really sorry you had a bad night. I hope you get a good one tonight.

[kayzr]

Trace Lal is meeting us tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to it!!

[LadyThompson]

Morning -

Verso, glad you had a decent night! Gosh, it's all quite up and down for everyone, isn't it? By the same token, I hope things improve for you, WG. She is only very little still DD was much less windy (for instance) once she got to 5 or 6 weeks. I think there's a lot in this Fourth Trimester notion.

Oh, and Verso - no meet up thread but Thursday 29th has been mooted. I may not be able to go now - DP's friends's funeral is going to be after 27th and it's in Cornwall, so we'll have to see.

KMP - sorry about your DH's grandad. And I sympathise with you on the cold front as DD has picked one up from somewhere, poor little mite. She is coughing and is very snotty. I didn't sleep well last night as I was concerned about her breathing. I thought about wafting some Vicks underneath her tiny nose but I didn't as it's probably toxic for babies or something.

Well, I hope you Yorkshire ladies enjoy your meet up. Go Lal! The only one of us to do both a North and South meet up - you are like Phil Collins at Live Aid!

The grotty pub that's the only one left now doesn't open for lunch. So I can't even take my mate for a drink tomorrow unless I get him to drive me and O somewhere. And he hasn't got a v practical car for a car seat. It's so annoying. I didn't do any exercise yesterday as there wasn't time. Nor did I do some work or finish my Christmas thank yous. I am running to stand still! But you all know about that so no point in even saying it, really AND I've only got the one child. I was just thinking about Reban this morning, that she hasn't been on for a bit and then I thought - but she has four children! Hello Reban, if you are lurking.

[Olipop]

preg head...was fruitlessly searching the anti natal threads for this!!!

Verso...glad your night was good
wg...I really feel for you. You poor girl. wish there was some magic formula but i think you are doing great and doing everything you can.
KMP..so sorry about your DH grandad.

Heidi slept in her moses basket last night (we've co slept up til now) ...my sleep was of a much better quality than before so that helps! She wakes quite a bit but I'm hanging out for more efficient feed times and less disturbance!!!

[Olipop]

durrrr ...I'm not even pregnant anymore!! What is wrong with me!!!

[LadyThompson]

Morning Oli - you are dog tired, like the rest of us! Glad Heidi has taken to the m. basket.

[traceface]

yay me too kayz! verso am soooooooooo pleased for you

dd1 has been truly horrid this morning but is now at school. I hope she's not being this vile for her teachers.

dh and i had a 'chat' last night. dd2 was really unsettled - just crying and squirming and dh was trying to calm her. he wasn't getting anywhere - she was all over the place and so i suggested the dummy. he said he'd tried and that she wouldn't take it. i sat for as long as i could (not very many minutes!) then asked for her back. i gave her the dummy, which she took, and held her snuggly and she was asleep in minutes. dh got cross/ upset that i'd not given him chance to sort her out. i said it's only because i spend 24 hours a day with her so i'm getting to know her signals a bit, and he said that he needs to learn them too but that i don't give him chance. he said if i was ill he'd have to look after both dds and needs to learn how. i know he's right but i can't sit and listen to her crying. i think he's feeling useless as i'm bf. he wants me to introduce a ff or ebm feed so he can do the odd feed, but something in me is resisting, although i don't know why. is anyone else having these issues or am i the only over-protective - not-even-dh-will-do-obsessive-mother?

[traceface]

oh and cat - are you ok? [concerned emoticon]

[Nolda]

Trace if your DD is anything like mine, she's probably being a little angel for her teachers!

Thanks everyone for the nice things you've said about DS's name. I will try to make it to the meetup, it would be so nice to meet everyone. Anywhere near Waterloo would suit meet very well. I just need to find someone to look after DD as I don't fancy coping with both of them on the train etc.

[rosmerta]

trace I'm a bit worried about cat as well, haven't heard from her for a while.

About your dh, I know how you feel about wanting to do things yourself but it is worth trying to get your dh involved. Can he do her bathtime or get her ready for bed? I know I get more help given that I'm ff but it is lovely to have 20mins to myself while dh bathes the boys.

wg sorry about your night, it will get easier I promise

oli glad Heidi settled in her basket!

Bit of a disturbed night for us. Ds2 threw up his bottle so had to change him & the bedding, then ds1 woke up & ended up in our bed. Both of them went back to sleep but ds2 woke up again at 5am so ended up bringing him downstairs so he wouldn't disturb ds1! And then ds1 woke up with a temp so he's cuddled up in the chair with his pillow & blanket watching Madagascar!

[traceface]

oh poor little ds2 Ros - hope he's soon feeling better - and that he keeps his poorly bugs to himself!

[waitinggirl]

thanks for all your comments. basically she kicked off at 5.15pm and didn't sleep properly until 2.30am. but thereafter she was great and we woke up at 8am to get a doctor's appt (for thrush - doctor wasn't sure she had it but said the drops wouldn't hurt). so in effect i got a decentish stretch of sleep (punctuated by feeds).

kmp - so sorry about your dh's grandfather. also with you on the small feeds to stop them chucking up. it seems so ridiculous to limit their feeding for their own good when they are desperate to fill their tummies.

verso - way hay!!!

madam is currently in her moses basket - i am about to bed down on the sofa - hopefully she can sleep long enough to allow me a decentish catnap. here's hoping...

[CatDean]

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[jumpjockey]

Sorry to come on just to rant...

I know we've collectively banned the phrase "rod for your own back" but I've really gone and done it... dd will only go to sleep in her sling in the daytime, and wil absoiluitely not be taken out of it. This morning she'd been asleep for about half an hour so into the deep sleep phase, I very very carefully took her out and lay her down in her pushchair and within a couple of minutes she'd woken up and was crying to be held again, hence waking herself up, though she's not had a proper nap yet and is still over tired. up so now I've got her back in the sling she's kicking and flailing and scratching me And in half an hour or so she'll be hungry again, but of course the change in signal from overtired to hungry will be impossible to spot as she's so crotchety.

Now I do love her enormously but I'd really really like to be able to have five minutes in the day where I'm not holding her one way or another. Is that too much to ask? When DH gets in in the evening he gets to play with her for about half an hour then she's hungry so he passes her straight back, so I end up holding her most of the evening as well and then am so knackered I go to bed with her at about 10. Had hoped to express some so he could give her a bottle this evening and give me a small break but that's impossible when she's in the sling.

[artichokes]

Morning

Just wanted to send out a quick cheer for Verso and a lot of sympathy for WG.

Back later after pub lunch.

[waitinggirl]

oh, arti - i am too chicken to go out for a pub lunch - it sounds great. you live in stokey, don't you? know it well of old, which pub??? so jealous. (or have i got you mixed up with someone else?)

[artichokes]

hi wg, i am in west london, not north. although i love stokey and have lots of friends there. dd usually sleeps at lunch so i hoping to slot her under the table and have a nice adult chat, just finishing her mammoth feed now. the pub is less than a block from my house so i have a quick escape plan if it proves necessary!

[kmp1]

Ended up sat up in bed until 5am in a constant cycle of siffle, cry, difficult feed (cause he can't breath through nose),then cough, vomit it all up and start over again.... Trying to do smaller feeds more often but he screams if I take him off after 5 mins as he wants more, plus when he's (rarely) asleep I don't want to wake him for 'often' feeding! Jeez it makes me think he's really easy to manage when he's not sick!
Hope it gets better soon.... Arti where are you off to? I use to live in your neck of the woods!
Just gave me a great idea - pub lunch meet up!! then we could have a spot of cheerfulness!! had to correct DH the other day when he called it "a spot of happiness" I said "no that's not it - although it's a happy time too" and he said "But isn't that what Lady Thompson called it"!!! I laughed so hard, didn't realise DH ever listened much when I talk about MN!

[kmp1]

LadyT yeah I was worried with the breathing thing so rushed to the GP as wanted to hear he was alright from someone other than DH - GP said he's fine but just keep an eye on his chest to make sure he's not making too much of an effort to take breaths as that could indicate it's going to his chest. She also said I could use some of that childs equivilent to Vicks?? Can't remember it's name but said don't put it on his skin - just tiny bit on clothes or a blanket etc, but i haven't bothered with that.
Now I think the dogs sick - she has been unusually well behaved and quiet. She's all sombre and looking at DS when he coughs - I think she is worried about him!

[LadyThompson]

Now, sombre is not a word you hear often.

I will check put the kids' version of VIck, KMP, because poor little DD is such a snorting snot monkey and I hate not being able to help. Hope the dog is ok!

I am trying to avoid any cheerfulness, spots or otherwise, until Saturday. I doubt my resolve, but this baby weight has got to come OFF.

[LadyThompson]

Oh, and Jump - have you got one of those swing things that they bounce on? I haven't got one myself but it might give you some respite - I hear they are good.

And go and get yourself some bottles of Ruddles Rhubarb to cheer yourself up - it is regular real ale but with a hint of rhubarb and maybe even custard!

[kayzr]

Do you know I still haven't opened that bottle of babycham we were going to open Boxing day!!!

I realised when I went in the fridge earlier.

[LadyThompson]

Well, there's your weekend treat sorted, Kayz!

[kayzr]

I'll need it, we're having my mum and her dp for a meal Saturday night.