December 2008 - Its not wind they are smiling.

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Here we go ladies Rosmerta suggestion.

I know Lal! I hope it wasn't just a fluke but second night was as follows..... down in cot at 1130pm in the blanket.... up at 530am!!!!!!! Fed for 20 mins..... Down again and woke again for feed at 830am!! So far I'm loving this Miracle blanket!!! A friend is off to Mother Care tomorrow for one too! I must have really talked it up - I should get commission!
On expressing : when i'm full I get about 125mls / 4 oz? But that's if i'm pretty rock hard - sometime just 2 but I have a friend who gets 6oz per side!!

6oz per side. Oh my god. is she a cow?
Haha I am just jealous.

i get about 2oz per side.

arti your panic attacks sound scary. i really hope that it doesn't keep happening.

kayz I hope you enjoy crufts you deserve a treat.

KMP that miracle blanket sounds amazing. Glad you are getting some kip now.

I have had my glass of cheerfulness already, not sure I can justify another, esp as I am trying to lose weight.

simmo, i think a dream feed is a 10:30 to 11:30 pm feed that hopefully makes them sleep for ages so you can get lots of kip. Don't know if there is more to it than that, ie if you are supposed to make them take as much milk as possible, etc.

you're welcome kayz!

lol! I know SL! I gasped at the 6oz!! But her freezer is full!!

I really think you are all amazing. You have really made my day, probably my whole year even!!!

Arti that sounds like a panic attack. You did really well to recognize and take control by getting out and calling friends. However it wouldn't hurt to have a visit to your GP for a chat and also a little timeout would be good us that possible could you have a couple of hours to yourself sometime.

Have just been telling my friend to join the August 2009 thread. She would be very lucky to have an amazing bunch of ladies like you lovely beings!!

We are most likely staying in Kings cross now LAL but maybe next time. Generally if he is working in central London we stay in Greenwich. But he has just gotten a priority card for holiday inn and also is actually working in Woking so can commute from the holiday inn at king cross or the one in southwark. I think the one in kings cross is nicer.

Back from my night out.It was lovely. I was quite overexcited! Now back and DD is an hour late for a feed but hoping it may mean she feed later in the night...one can hope.

arti hugs - I really hope you can take some timeout. Veggies advice is good.

Oooh the T Mobile ad is on. It makes me smile. Must post link - Lal we were talking about it.

Kayz - you are so worth it. I hope you have a wonderful time at Crufts.

Better go feed this poor baby. I am like Britney Spears trawling about North London pubs and in black cabs with a baby in freezing weather. It says Sunday night we will have a weather event...I hope DH gets snowed in and can't get to work...

Turnip I saw that T-Mobile advert earlier, it is great!!

I really must go to bed.

turnip are you talking about the t-mobile commercial where everyone is dancing to the dirty dancing soundtrack? It's my favorite commercial right now. It makes me smile every time I see it.

right... off to feed LO and then to bed!

arti your panic attack sounds awful, but well done you for recognising it and calling friends.

Re: the bottle we use T/Tippee ones. DS wasn't overly bothered with it at first and flatly refused the other week when he was full of cold. But DH has been perservering trying just an oz here and there and he will now happily take it from DH, although if he see's/hears me he does start fussing with it.

We tried a 'dream feed' last night about 10.30pm, DS woke at midnight then again at 5 and refused to settle till about 6.30 and then DD was up. I'll try again tonight although kmp's miracle blanket sounds amazing

turnip glad you had a good night out.

simmo a dream feed is theoretically given to your baby while they are asleep and it will hopefully make them stay asleep longer. It is quite difficult to give if BF as it easier to put a bottle in their mouths while they are sleeping. So this is where expressing and DH works. Put the baby down for the night at 7.30. Then at 10.30 /11.00 ish pick up sleeping baby and feed then straight back down cross fingers and hope foe a good length of sleep. No need to burp as they are so relaxed while feeding.

Arti hope you're feeling ok today. It does sound like anxiety. I used to get something that sounds like this fairly regularly and thought it was response to stress - took me 3 years to work out that it only happened in spring time and was actually triggered by pollen. Obviously tightening in your chest makes you anxious anyway so whole thing becomes a bit of a vicious circle, but worth just thinking about whether it could also be triggered/exacerbated by anything else. Hyacinths and narcissi are particularly bothersome for me - which is shame because I love the smell. Also some cleaning stuff. Yoga also really helped with anxiety. Which probably counts as the worst advice you can give to someone with 2 DCs under 3 (just take an hour a day to do some breathing and stretching in absolute quiet - no problem).

Turnip I found the ad on youtube. It's great - inspired by it have been dancing around the house much to DS's amusement. Realised last year that it's got to the stage where I only dance at weddings or in my own house. Sigh. Also have brilliant vision of you careering round N London a la Britney. Before we had DS DH and I used to say to each other - it won't change our life much we'll just take him along to parties with us and he can sleep in the corner. No. of times this has happened in 2 years - 0.

Have a good day everyone. DH has taken both beans out so I've had long bath and planned to make some effort to tame eyebrows etc...but have faffed around on internet instead. May well be sporting Dennis Healeys next time I see you.

Morning,

DH has decided he'd like to try to retrain to be an electrican so is going to look into if he can recieve financial help.
He then wants to move to New Zealand or Australia. I can't see it happening myself but it is fun thinking about it.

We finally went to bed at 1 this morning. Ds2 woke up at 6, which woke up DS1. Lovely DH got up with DS2 at about 7 and gave me a lie in. I did come down to find him asleep on the sofa

Thanks for the messages about dream feeding. Will give that a go tonight. Was lucly enough last night for Sammy to go from 9pm til 2pm without a feed.
I also have another question- how many of you change the nappy in the night? Do you change it at evey feed? I do but it really wakes sammy up , so much so that she is awake for at least an hour after a nappy change. I tend to BF then change her nappy as she will wake the rest of the house if I change then BF her. Any suggestions?

Have not seen the t-mobile advert but will keep my eye out.
Looks like we are going to have lots of snow tomorrow. Must go Sammy wants another feed!

Simmo I don't change DS at night unless the nappy feels v bulky or he has done a poo. I then change after he has had a bit of a munch and let him get full and sleepy with a clean botty .

simmo - we have just started the dream feed thing with varied results.Some nights she's been awake again 2 hours later. Last night I fed her at 7, she was asleep by 7.15, DH gave her EBM at 11, she woke at 3 for BF, then slept till 7. Our best night yet... And re nappy changes - I do it before her 7pm ish feed and then not until 7am unless it's massive or soaked through or stinky!

Kayz - really hope you enjoy Crufts

Arti - sorry you've been struggling. I think, like Veggie, if it continues it might be worth seeing your GP. If it is anxiety you can get medication or maybe some kind of support/ talking therapy. It's worth nipping these things in the bud before you feel like you can't control them. Thinking of you xxx

I'm a bit worried that my milk supply has gone down. Phoebe's feeds have been shorter than normal, although she's still puking some back so I know she gets some, and my expressing amount is getting a bit smaller too. Do you think it's because I've started expressing and DH is doing a feed, so there is less demand because I miss the late evening feed? Would rather not express at all if it is going to affect all her other feeds. Or maybe it's because I'm just a bit tireder or a little bit lower at the moment? Could that affect my supply? Had to stop BFing dd1 because my supply seemed to dwindle away and I couldn't keep up with her, and I don't want that to happen this time.ANy thoughts?

my friend has just left back to london. we had a lovely breakfast at the bear Inn and a walk in the snowfall. It is really coming down here. DS1 and DH have gone to the pool for a swim. DS1 insisted on scooting there so they will be chilly. have rugged DS1 up in a snowsuit in the hope of keeping him warm.

Simmo, ditto to Nolda i dont change unless very necessary.

oh gotta Jordy has woken up and is all cute and giggly.

hi all

thanks for all your kind words regarding my anxiety. thankfully i have felt fine today . hopefully it was just a blip, maybe to do with hormones and the six week growth spurt (dd2 was very unsettled and hungry on friday). if it comes back and stays around i will see the gp. i have had anxiety issues before, mainly after my mum died, and i really do not want to go there again.

yesterday i got that book "what mothers do...". i think rosmerta recommended it. i am loving it, it is really making me think. thanks for the recommendation rosmerta.

simmo - we never change dd at night (obviously we would if she was leaky or seemed uncomfortable). we experimented with dropping the dream feed for the last 3 nights. it has worked well and allows me an early night. dd goes down at 8pm-ish, wakes 1am-ish and 5am-ish the gets up at 7.30am-ish. great, except that it means she has thecsame nappy for 12 hours!

glad you're feeling better arti. Take care of yourself xxx

Phoebe has been really unsettled today - just having tiny feeds and tiny sleeps and being really wriggly, not really settling on anything for any length of time. Not really had a day like this for ages. She's been in her cot for over an hour but is still not settling so I'm running upstairs every few minutes. Might just give up and bring her back down soon.
I'm worried that it's connected to my milk, so I'm not going to express tomorrow and see if things get better.
Crying again - her not me this time! - better go.

Hello ladies. Can't believe the weather we are having today! The snow is really coming down here.

trace Judah is exactly the same as Phoebe today and my milk supply has also dwindled today... not sure what that's all about. Was also wondering if it was my milk that was causing the problem. Does breast milk taste different to babies depending on what you eat? I know that different foods can make them more gassy or vomit etc... but can it actually taste bad to them? Hope our little ones will settle tonight and allow us some sleep.

same here on the taking ages to settle tonight. Jordy was happy to be in his cot but just a bit irritated and had trouble settling to sleep. I think it was because he didnt have a proper comfortable sleep today he was in the car seat for a bit and in the sling while we went for a walk but did sleep for long. Tried to get him off in his downstairs moses basket while DH & DS where out but i thin y then he was just too tired so at 5pm he and had a bath together which he loved and then a feed and settle to sleep but it was another hour and a half before he settled. Asleep now though so hopefully we can start again tomorrow with better day time sleeps, it really is important to catch them after the 90mins i guess and i will try to have a few days just at home this week to help that happen. With the snow tomorrow that wont be a a problem, also DH working from home tomorrow so at least i wont have to drag him out in the morning for the nursery run.

Trace how does Pheobe handle the school run.

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Oh my Gosh - there is about 15cm of snow outside my door in London and my DH just jogged to work!!!!

Hahaha kmp that is dedication for you...DH got a call at 1am saying that his office had invoked their contingency plan and someone would come and collect him at 6.15 to take him in. Would much rather they'd said don't bother!! He's got there safely though but who knows how they'll all get home.

Arti I'll just second what everyone else said. You did the right thing by confronting it asap. I get occasional (but very mild) random attacks of feeling anxiety for no apparent reason and I can't imagine how scary it would be to be in the grip of a full scale panic attack.

DS of course wants to be out in it and has done since 6am! Managed to put him off for a bit by bringing in a bowl of snow for him! Can't bear the thought of building snowmen just yet!

we have SNOW!! First time in years we've had a proper snowfall in my bit of London

The toddler quote is from bitter experience, we had a call fro the emergency services after DS rang 999 twice .

Arti and Trace: hope you're feeling better. FWIW I reckon feeling down and anxious is pretty normal when you have a small baby.

Oops, DH wants the comp - better go