Nov 2008 - sleepless nights and exploding poo, dear oh dear now what do we do??

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Sorry that is soooo crap but we needed a new thread!!!!!

Obs/Choc thanks for the reassurance about the puking! I should know better to worry about these things - particularly as DS1 was born with a condition that meant he puked spectacularly all the time until he had an op to fix it at 8 weeks old - maybe that has made me a bit paranoid? Or maybe, because DS1 did puke so spectacularly (there is no way we could have ever missed him being sick) that I didn't realise babies could be sick any other way??

Obs the love will come!! i saw your post on the other thread about this and felt for you - having a new baby is really like having a stranger move into your house and you all have to learn how to get along - and if that 'stranger' is not making it easy, then a little bit of resentment is perfectly normal I would say. I bet you will look back in a couple of months and wonder if there was a time when you didn't 'love' him

Pinky New Year would definitely be best for a meet-up for me too - too much to do between now and then!

Choc don't worry about the mixed feeding - it sounds like you have thought it all through and come up with a solution that will suit you all (remember happy mummy = happy baby ).

morning all

Firstly, for those of us meeting up tomorrow - i am afraid I am not going to be able to make it My mum who usually picks up DS2 from nursery and looks after him, has selfishly asked if she can have a day off to do some xmas shopping - well what can I say., she is an absolute superstar and an amazing Granny so of course I said she could have a day off

this means that I won't have time to do nursery drop off and meet you guysx as I would have to leave as soon as I got there. am very very sorry and sad as was looking forard to it, but the old dear does deserve a break from my DS2!!!!!

As for the initial huge love - with DS1 it was not instant - it was worried/protective love and when he was about 6 weeks, I then "Fell in love" (been besotted ever since!) was the same for DS2 but with Tiger it was instant. I just sat and stared at her sleeping in hospital through the night.

Off to a party now - well a toddler one anyway!

HVE A GOOD DAY ALL

DM X

Hi Ladies

Nic eto see things are a little better Vbab.

Wow Merry you sound well, good to hear from you.

Bad 24 hours in this household. Rebecca seemed to feed constantly yesterdy afternoon and evening. I then woke her to feed at 9 in the hope of only being up once but she still woke lots in the night. It did not help that I felt poorly, heavy head and shivery, one boob hurt like hell and niples are really sore.

Been for six week check and got anti - B's for Mastitis? Talked to doctor about my mobility and having lazy legs still and going back for Physio. She did lots of things with my legs and hips and feels that everything is siezed up - that would explain feeling like a 90 year old then. Back and legs getting worse I feel?

Today is the first time I have felt like BF is a problem and I know I have been lucky but feel like throwing in the towel, I am so tired and boobs hurt. Don't know how you have done it Daisy.

On a brighter note Rebecca now weighs 10lb 3 was 7lb 4 when born 6 weeks ago.

Just venting - Sorry X

Obs, I am in the lack of sleep camp too, though somehow a miracle has happened along the way and I don't feel that bad (that may be due to copious amounts of Coke and chocolate though . The pink hair sounds great. You have given me fantasies of having purple hair now! The love thing, well I think it is purely down to tiredness. Nights when I have little sleep I get so angry with them. I think this only happened once with ds1. These days it is almost every night with the babies. Last night Judo was doing my head in as he kept waking for feeds and then not feeding properly. He did not have wind. I have no idea why he kept waking, crying, looking for food and then refusing to latch. The anger, frustration and even hate you can feel at those times is quite scary...but it usually fades with a bit of daytime sleep and some food in my tummy!

Dh has been let off the hook! He was doing the early night shift, but we have started putting babies upstairs at 9ish, and doing 9 to midnight together then he toddles off and leaves me with them for the rest of the night...cunning. I was waking him in the night if they were both crying but he has been getting tired and grumpy, so last night I did it on my own. They were not tooooo bad - in fact dd slept from 12.30 till 4.30 . Sadly Judo did not, but at least only dealing with one.

Pinky and ceebee, thanks. Maybe will try the Gaviscon again, though last night was so good I don't want to rock the boat for the moment! She seems better since we dropped the night formula feed. Though it is more tiring for me to be up feeding, it pays off with a better night's sleep. She still coughs and chokes a lot, but less screaming in pain.

hi!
Hope you don't mind me posting first then catching up later - can't beeelieeeve I have a hot cup of tea AND two free norks - oh the bliss of it

Last couple of days have been full on - William was feeding constantly, wouldn't be put down or sleep I got blockage in my other boob.
My poor cat came home from hospital (we are £500 lighter - expensive antibiotics )we thought she was going to die in the night but she has eaten and had a drink so things look a bit less bleak.

I asked the mw if I could ff W a bit and she said that would be o.k so gave Will a ff last night and woke in the night with the most humungous boobies (cos he'd been feeding so much I think) so I fooked that up a bit so now I think I should stick to bf cos it bites you in the bum if you miss a feed.

HV coming this aft - first visit. Haven't hoovered but am dresses and teeth have been cleaned so have achieved more than normal!

OOh and Will now weighs 11lb 5oz - he has gained nearly 2lbs - no bad?

Love to all, hope evryone got sleep last night and are feeling able to cope with the days challenges xx

coolkat I am feeling exactly the same as you. It is completely miserable having knacking boobs with everything else. I too am considering throwing in the towel {hugs} x

just book marking, will be back later. taken me ages to read 2 pages of posts!

We are surviving

More than surviving actually. Managed school run with everyone washed and dressed except the baby, then we walked half an hour to the supermarket, did some shopping, got the bus back, did a bit of washing up and hoovering and loaded the tumble drier. Then the lovely Yorky arrived with her DS and DD (gorgeous...but LOUD ) and we had a lovely chat and some lunch and some more chat and my DD and Yorky's DS played really well together and the babies were pretty relaxed and sleepy most of the time.

Then school run, back here and I've managed to make some chilli for tea. And no-one has been injured (much), no-one is screaming (now) and my DS1 and DD are pottering quite happily together. It did get a bit hairy when we got back from school as DD had woken up and was grumpy and crying and DS2 wanted feeding so I had to rugby ball feed DS2 so that I could get DD on my lap for a cuddle at the same time. Interesting that one!

horrible night again last night. F was whinging and crying from about 9ish until after 2. The last 20 mins he started screaming; really screaming and I thought I'd hurt him with all the patting that we do. this went on then he had a huge poo....and I mean huge, then snuggled in and went to sleep! We have resigned ourselves to the fact that it is definately colic....but the good news is we should only have another 6 weeks of it

Of course he really showed me up by either sleeping or grunting/mewling quietly when Yorky was here. She now thinks I'm making it all up

now to finish tea and will be back later to catch up properly.

Pinky, do you want those bras? I was hoping that my boobs would settle a bit and that it;s just cos of the growth spurt, but they don't seem to be.

Oh still no sleep camp here.
Last night dh took over for last feed / change etc. He did really well then went to change her - sitting on the bed ( me ignoring all and trying to sleep) . I heard explosion and then Oh Sh*t, repeat 10 times. I looked up to see dh covered in poo. Up his arm on his legs , on the mat, on the white duvet cover. I started to laugh and nearly PMSL. Then as he started to clean up she did it again this time getting the rest of what she did not get before - her vest and babygro and her blanket.
So clean up started - mdnight I was soaking duvet cover / teh rest in the bath in napisan. Trying to find the other duvet - gave up ! DIgging out minirosas grobag - she had an introduction to it last night! WIth all that madam then was wide awake and dropped off at 2am .
SHe has slept lots today which has me worried for tonights episode DD1 at home with temp and cold but she is suffering from cabin fever and its rained all day !!
Hurrah !
Happy night to you all may they be reflux less, restful - Now need to look back to see what happened with Daisy and her dh .... YOu guys post too many posts !!!

and after all my walking today.....my SPD is back .

if those with limpet babies dont have a swing then gety down to argos for one of these swings. my parent bought sophie one and she had a lovely 45mins in it being rocked by her sisters. peace for a few minutes. will get batteries for it tomorrow so might get more quiet time.

Oh dear Rosa at your disrupted night! and the moral of the story is......don't change a BF baby on a white duvet cover

That's a great deal on the swing misdee. We were lent one by a friend, must get it up and running and see if it helps.

Still all quiet here. 8/9 o'clock seems to be F's flash point.

daisy sorry about your SPD playing up, as per my earlier post I have been struggling so hugs to you. X

Misdee we have a similar version of that swing - a graco one and it can be quite handy sometimes.

Just had bath with hot flannel on my sore boobie, dreading next feed

Right off for cheese and biscuits

hello all.
misdee we had a wingy seat, a borrow fron db- very handy indeed. gavev it back as we were stopping at two , and he'sv passed it on now really miss it at teatime- i may treat us to a new one.

daisy if you're sure you don't need them, but you could wait a month and see, if you like, just in case.

tired today. bedtime a bit shambolic as we needed a bathb as ds was covered in red paint. but we survived!!

sorry to hear of mastitis and generally engorged/sore boobies, ladies. It's not nice feeding through it but it's the best thing,sand it does get better. In a few weeks bfeeding will be really convenient, quick and easy, so well worth persevering if you can

sorry but your poo story made me gigle a bit,rOSA

lol misdee, that's a swingy seat!!my typing is worse than les dawson's piano playing!

have read everyone's messages and can't remember anything I've read now.....the chronic fatigue is settling in now I think.

coolkat, I've had a vague ache since the birth and then today I walked the furthest since having him and I was halfway round the shop before I cottoned on to the fact that it felt exactly like the SPD. Tonight, it's seized up even further and I can hardly walk . I'm at the physio for me pelvic floor on Monday so I'll get then to have a good look at me. It's miserable...hugs to you too, especially on top of blocked ducts/mastitis.

We coslept last night....after 2ish anyway. It was the best sleep I'd had so we will be repeating it tonight from 11pm.

barbs.....his constant feeding will have upped your supply, so missing a feed will have confused them

Obs, as others have said, it's very hard to feel love for them when they are disrupting your sleep and making your health issues worse. I could quite happily have walked out the door and away from it all at 2 this morning. And, although I had the instant thing with DS1, it did wane when he wasn't feeding and I was bleeding from cracked nipples and taking two hours to feed him, painfully. With DD, I felt nothing initially (partly because I was so concerned that she would be healthy and partly because of the AND), but that love grew slowly. Still have days where she drives me bonkers though. DS2 it's been a middle ground, more relaxed and accepting.

Pinky, the nativity play sounds lovely. I always sob my eyes out at these things . Not just for my DS, for all the kiddies {soppy git emoticon}

Merry, that makes sense about the wind. I hope you have a better night tonight. Just remember, this too shall pass

Dozy, you always sound so wise in your posts......and are the most sorted out of all of us

ChocO, dont feel guilty or that you are doing something wrong, mixed feeding. You do what you do to get you through it; there's no "one size fits all" method of parenting. I know when I was feeding DD that the responsibility of being the only one who could feed her got to me a bit, especially when I had to stop expressing. It felt so claustrophobic at times.

Right, I've waffled on long enough.....this is what happens when I don't post in the day

pinky, I'll give it till after the six week growth spurt and see where my poor boobs are then

good idea, daisy

I agree about the nativity. It was so lovely to see them all enjoying it, too. The bit with the litle twinkling stars doing their dance nearly set me off, but fortunatley DD1 was standing on my lap so I could hide behind her!

Hve you been getting physio for yuor SPD?

I just can't keep up with you guys How do you guys with other children manage? DD and I are so bus, I am lucky to get a look atthe omputer daily nevermind read all that you guys say. So here comes a me post cos I don't really know what is going on with each of you, but the thread sunds like there are a few who feel like me. . . . . struggling.
Reckon the sleep deprivation is catching up with me. DS took 2 stints of shouting at me last nigh (and teh night before) 3-5am and then 7-9, then, knackered I sleep to 1030. Poor DD is left in her bed playing until I wake up, so lucky she is so peaceable. But last night, well this morning, I hit a wall and just couldn't cope. Convinced I hated DS and that I could easily do something I woudl regret So frightened, but is past and he slept and I do love him and could Never hurt him!!
It was an absolutely horrible exerience and I really do not want to repeat it.
Please send me some words of reassurance that I am not the monster I felt I was this morning.

The HV did a not bad job this afternoon of making me feel better. I ended up in tears with her but I felt I had to let some out and not just smile and tell her all was well, when it most definitely was not this morning.

But he just grumbles whines or shouts (during those night time hours). Nappy clean, no knees being pulled up (so figuring not colicky?) and snuffles frustratingly at my boob but won't take. What does he want or need??
So upsetting

twinkling big big hug to you, lovely.

It is very hard. There have been a number of times in the last 3 years when I have felt I can't cope, that I am a crap mother, or I have just felt a deep panic that it's all getting out of hand.

But it passes, and you realise that it's OK, that you ahve coped, perfect is not always necessary- sometimes you just need to get through situations without completely losing it.

DD will be OK. She is safe and warm in her cot, nothing bad will happen to her. I quite often put little ones in their cot to play whilst I get some jobs done, and I certainly did it with DS whne I had HG, when PG ith DD1. It's avery sensible thing to do- they are safe and happy.

Extreme tiredness can make you angry- it's one of the really difficult things with motherhood. You do love Ds. You are just tired.

do you co=sleep? MAYbe that would help settle him?

and re the HV- I am honest with them if I feel they can help- the one I had with DD1 was fab.

Evening ladies, just catching up on all the posts!
Daisy Glad your first day solo went well but about the SPD. I didn't realise it could carry on after pregnancy. Hope the physio can sort you out. Glad you had a nice day with Yorky though.
for all those with bf problems atm.
Rosa Hope you have a better night. Had to laugh at the nappy-changing incident although I bet it will happen to me at some point!
Obs How are you doing this evening? As others have said I'm sure it's the strain which isn't helping.
Thanks for the link to the swing misdee, I've just ordered one for my limpet daughter because today it's really been getting to me for some reason and I'm getting desperate. I just can't get anything done. I end up leaving her with DH when one of us needs to go to the supermarket or the DIY store just to get a break - how sad is that I don't think he understands how claustrophobic it is. I like having her in the sling, just not constantly IYSWIM. She did stay on her playmat quite happily earlier this evening for about 20 minutes and I also took her out for a walk for an hour but otherwise I've either been wearing her in the sling or bf her, or both at the same time. Looks like another she's having growth spurt too because she's been feeding more today than in recent days. Great. Also if anybody has any tips on how I can make bathtime less of an ordeal for both of us then that would be great - at the moment she just screams the house down and works herself up into such a frenzy that most of the time it's easier just to top and tail her than put her through it I thought babies were meant to like water? Good job newborns don't need baths all that often! I bought one of those sponge supports for the big bath last week but it doesn't seem to have helped Might try getting in with her next. We're starting baby swimming classes in February - hope she likes that better.
Oh well, tomorrow is another day as they say, just the night to get through first...

Hello everyone.
Sympathies to all those suffering with mastitis...hope things clear up for you soon barbs and daisy.
Sounds like lots of us here are having a tough time with reflux/sore boobs/no sleep. Are the early and difficult weeks of parenthood a bit like childbirth, quickly forgotten once over? Lets hope so......

Wow - nativity plays...how sweet. We first-timers have all this to look forward to!

lacks sounds like you had a lovely time with Yorky.
Hoping to have a lovely time tomorrow with choc and hopefully obs...although sounds like you are getting zero rest obs so don't blame you if you can't make it. And don't even be THINKING about Nooky at this point!

After a very hard day yesterday, had a good night and the Plumski slept for a 5 and a half hour stretch. My boobs were MASSIVE when she finally woke - but she was so hungry she managed to drain both of them...

Had coffee with NCT girls for 2nd time this week. The luxury of having only one DC...I shall enjoy this Mat leave as much as possible!

hope everyone has a decent night

Hugs to you Twinkling, sounds like you're struggling too The nights are definitely the worst aren't they? So frustrating when they cry for no apparent reason. Glad you were able to talk to the HV. You are not a monster, just a mum doing a grand job and having to survive on very little sleep which always makes everything else seem worse. Do try the co-sleeping as Pinky suggests, hopefully it might help. Hope you have people to support you in RL, especially if you can't get on MN very often.

We do co sleep pinkee
Yeah the HV I have is lovely, that was why I really felt I had to be, and could be, honest with her and not be judged.
She has suggested that I play some nice calming music for DS at 7 so that he feels less like is is scary and quiet and I don't have to get out of bed quite yet.
Worth a shot.
I am off for a quick bath and then an early night. DS has just fed so should be good for a couple of hours and DH is shooing me away.
He got a scare. His normally calm contented wife lost the plot with his son this morning, he wants to help make sure it doesn't happen again, bless.