Nov 2008 - sleepless nights and exploding poo, dear oh dear now what do we do??

[Dozymare]

Sorry that is soooo crap but we needed a new thread!!!!!

That's great news about the twins Merry . You must have gold top in those norks!

Rosa gets muslin and shoves down top to get my smell on it. As surviving on 3 hrs sleep a night . Dd2 settles at 1 am and then wakes 3 hrs later has 1 boob , nappy change and then usually falls asleep and then 10 mins later she decides she wants the other. Then dd1 usually starts to grumble as she has temperature and feeling lousy.
had both all day today and when dh returned ( rosa now grey Rosa) bloomin dd2 drops off in her chair and has been asleep for 2 hrs.
I will do an xmas name change ....Probably at Easter the way am going.
Daisy have a sudden blood loss / headache/ - I have never felt so unhorny in my life ( and probably look it as well !!)
Mummynic I have a sensor pad monitor and it went off twice with dd1 . I find it gives me peace of mind esp at night - that is when they sleep !!
zonedout Good luck with the bone scan
I have almost arthritic fingers ( 3 ) esp in the morning and am waiting for blood test results
obs hope things get better pls post a pic of your hair for those that will not see you.

Oh sympathy Rosa my DS2 does same thing at night with the 1 boob nod off trick. Is almost impossible to wake him as well and then 10-20 mins later.. feeding time again! Grrr!

obs what an absolute nightmare. Nothing but hugs for you, christ knows ho you are coping on so little sleep, you have one party boy there...are you and DH still doing shifts???

zoedout hope all youe tests are ok - I know what you mean about feeling to young - I am also 34 and have a massive underactige thyroid which is for life and affects a lot of things. On meds now but pregnancy definately interfers..need to get things sorted and check leves again.

Merrymari lovely to hear from you - have been asking about you loads on here, those twinnes are doing magnificently (even if you are bloody shattered ) what lovely weights..I presume you are over the worst of the broncilitis??? (sp)

8daisy* you did it! fIRST DAY ON YOUR OPWN, Not that bad eh?!

Hi toeveryone else

DM x

Rosa - I find it great to have a snesor, I can sleep with both eyes shut and don't need to keep one eye on his little chest movements which I found myself doing when he was in hospital - even though he was attached to machines, there was no pad so I couldn;t sleep!!!!

The increase in Gaviscon hasn't worked yet, James has been screaming all evening - fingers crossed it starts to work again after the next feed....

Popping back again - I am like a bus when it comes to mumsnet. 3 posts come along at once!!

Dh got offered a project in Preston today. He turned them down! Not sure how long he can keep being paid to do nothing. I am EXTREMELY grateful...

Obs, I will have to backtrack on the thread and find out what's happening.

Thanks to all for thinking of me...We are fine. Mostly not on as dh is hogging computer not because hideously busy.

Rosa - LOL at unhorny!! I still look 6 months pg. My boobs make top half a size 18 . In fact bottom half probably is too, which is a far cry from my previous 12-14. Muscles still handwidth apart. Must call physio. Still not done.

Daisy, congrats on day on your own. I cannot contemplate that. 1 kid, 1 toddler, 1 baby. You are amazing. Did you have takeaway for supper? .

Dozy. How is your routine going wih TL? How are the boys with her?

Sorry ladies not been on since very early monday morn and as a result have missed loads. This is my attempt to catch up ...

obs - back to old self? and i thought my DH didnt have a clue.
coolkat - thanks. me and DH been better over the last couple of days. not great still but at least not hating each other.
pinky - thanks. and at your DH and his rant. hope you have felt better since Monday. Maybe a north ladies get together is in order.
heartmum - hope things are better.
pinkali - hope bottle feeding going ok. With my DS breastfeeding didnt happen and at the time I was heart broken but things worked out well on the bottle and we havent looked back. If you want a chat let me know. Also Esme routine is amazing ... 11 till 7. wow.
tegan - glad everything going well.
ceebee - regarding DS behaviour. going through the same.
saurus - regarding your MIL, people in lifts at meadowhall (why cant they use the bloody escalators anyway) and peoples comments.

ME - DH and me not as close to divorce but things still very strained at times and at other times feel like we could just be friends looking after kids. DS is still my gorgeous amazing boy that is having this weird behaviours on occasion and slapping and kicking. But i'm handling it a little better (sometimes). A is a little bunged up and poorly with bronchiolitis again (RSV) again. Also found out that her "floating rib"/sticking out rib has been inherited from my dad. She was weighed this week and is 9lb 7. An increase at 4wks of 1lb 4.

REALLY SORRY but been trying to read all the posts and write responses now for nearly 2 hours and A is not having it so giving up now.

Any ideas for an xmas name for me?

DH took DS to school and was home on time for the school run, so I only had the two littlies from 8.30 till 3.30 and then DH cooked tea. So not really on my own.

tomorrow I will truly solo though as DH has got to go into work (he doesn't officially leave until Friday) to hand back laptop and keys etc etc so will be leaving at 7.15am and not back till after teatime....and will be 150 miles away should I have an urgent need of him

DS has slept peacefully all day, and although some pain and discomfort throughout the day after feeds, is now burping and hiccuping and choking and coughing and scrouching (my new word...a cross between screaming and grouching ). Does reflux get worse in the evenings? I'm not sure whther this is just colic or if there is an element of reflux in there as well as he does the gagging and choking and milk coming out of his nose if we lie him flat but he is definately worse after his evening feeds than he is through the day. Heis also very wheezy and often sounds like he has a really croaky voice. Will see the doc at his six week check next Wednesday.......6 weeks already; where has the time gone?

just crashing in to say i had sophie weighed today, 9lb 11oz now. doing well. an NAK atm so will just read for now, got loads to catch up on.

latest pics

misdee - AWW.

she's lovely misdee

I love her cardi

It has taken me about 20 minutes to read all the posts since late morning!!

Marigold lovely to hear from you and am so impressed with how you are coping - you deserve a medal!! Shame on your DH for turning down a project in Preston - tis a lovely place (I grew up there and work there )

Daisy can we have a hand-holding day tomorrow then? DH is away for the first time tomorrow (he is leaving at 6am and going to Birmingham - he doesn't know what time he will be back) so I am going to have to do the getting-up, nursery run both ways and maybe bath and bedtime all by myself for the first time - am actually really nervous about it (I think this is more because I have no idea what mood/how co-operative DS1 will be in the morning!!)

Sparks/Vbab lovely to hear from you both!

Obs pink hair - wowee!! We NEED photos!!! Sounds absolutely great.

Had a lovely day with my mum today Feel quite sad though as it is my nephews 1st birthday this weekend - they live about 200 miles away - but my parents and my sister and her family are all going up for the party. There is just no way I am up to
travelling that distance with 2 children at the moment but feel quite sad that we will miss the occasion!

Sam's feeding has completely gone to pot today - started off well at 7am with a full 5oz bottle and then he just started taking 2-3oz each feed and then wanting another feed 2 hours later - does he not realise that I only want to feed him every 3 hours a la Baby Whisperer?? My mum said we should let him scream for longer when he starts so he is hungrier when he does feed and then take more?? Does this make sense or is it just cruel? I am veering on the 'cruel' side - I figure once he is screaming for food, he is hungry enough

I bought a couple of new bras.....and since then my boobs have expanded and I'm bulging out of them

Anyhoo, if anyone fancies a black and a nude Royce Jasmine nursing bra in 34GG (labelled 34H but are UK34GG)...let me know. They have only been worn a couple of times each.

No idea where to get a decent bra now as Bravissimo are stopping selling them according to the assistant in my local branch.

I don't think a hungrier baby will take more food...their tummies are a finite size and if they take too much they just chuck it back up again.....and, if they scream lots then they take in more air and get windier....mothers, eh

I find fin's wind issues are less if I get him latched on as soon as he stirs rather than when he is crying.

Hello everyone
Been quite busy. Things going well again here- dinky back to sleeping very well, though still snuffly.
Went to see DS in his school christams concert today it was fab. Didn't realise he actually had a part in the nativity (he kept telling me he was something different or not in it each time I asked!. He did really well, and is on cloud 9 over it all.

mery great to hear from you, and the twins sound like they are doing fab, you star!

obs hope things get better for you sooon. LOve the sound of the hair.

Zonedout sorry to hear of the bone issue. BUt glad the blanket arrived ok and that you like it, thaT'SD GREat.

daisy that is my bra size- I hope mine don't get any bigger. bravissimo lady here told me they would be getting royce bras in over the summer, not a greta deal of use.

Hellol helloand hugs to evryone.

ps reflux people- gaviscon no help for DD1- hope you have more joy. The first breakthrough we had was that she was quite early rolling and was a lot happier when she could roll over and sleep on her front. not a greta deal of use to you, I know, but it will get better.xx

oh and well done to yuo, daisy on your first 'solo' stint, and good luck ceebee*. I was a bit worried at first but with DS at nurseryschool, it's not really much different to how it was when DD1 arrived. You may think me insane, but you do get to enjoy having two/three littlees at home with you, once you get the hang of it- honest!

daisy, just a quickie. spoke to HV today about the wind issue. she said it does get worse in late evening/ night, well known to, as builds up thru day. so we're not imagining. said just ti try usual gripe water/ infacol etc. also doc in hosp said dd's sounded like reflux, lots of scrunching and puking, and gave gaviscon, but then another doc said she wouldn't recommend gaviscon and reflux not usual in bf babies (??), so i only used once. packet says 1yr plus, so dh not keen to use, but we have tons now.

ie. i am confused!

Morning!

Merry no wonder you are confused!! As far as I know, bf babies are just as likely to have reflux as non-bf ones plus Infant Gaviscon is regularly prescribed for young babies so not sure where the 1+ comes from Not much help though am I??

Daisy how has your morning been? So far so good in the Ceebee household! I managed to get both Ds's up and watered and out of the house by 8 (the usual time) - although DS1 had a paddy in the pram as he didn't want to be strapped in (so I didn't), he sulked all the way to nursery and then when the staff took him in started crying and saying 'I want my mummy' - funny how he was sulking at me all the way there then

When I got Sam up this morning, he had clearly been sick between his last feed at 4am and when I got him up - there was a huge stain on the sheets and the side of his hair which he had been laying on was really wet! Am and a little bit concerned that he was sick in the night and we didn't hear him - his crib is at the bottom of our bed fgs!! I guess it is a good job he was sleeping with his head to one side but am still worried about him choking next time - has anyone else had this?

Morning all

Merry well done on the twins weights, they are great - I can't believe you are managing to fed two so well, I feel like I'm always feeding and there is only one of mine!! As for the rocking to sleep, you are right, GF would not be happy but I reckon this is where the fact she has never had kids and lack of sleep comes into it!

Good luck for today ceebee! Again I don't know how you ladies with more than 1, let alone 3 or 4 (!!) cope - you must be masters in the art of multi-tasking! The most multi-tasking I do these days is carrying M in a sling and typing!!

Pinky I bet your DS was cute in the christmas concert - I was talking to a friend about xmas plays yesterday and can't believe that in 3/4 years we will be watching our LO's in them. Although a few weeks ago I couldn't wait for M to grow up quickly (so I could get sleep! ) now I am back to the part where I want him to stay little and cute forever (although sleep more!!).

M is doing well a la GF lite - not perfect but good enough so I feel more confident and in control and most importantly loving spending time with him.

We have started to use some formula in his 10pm feed - it all stemmed from me spilling over his 10pm feed on Tuesday night and not having any reserves. I can only manage to express 4/5oz a day (at 7am and 9pm) which is only enough for one feed a day so it means that unless I do the 10pm feed as well I will not be able to store up any milk to go out at all (all my friends live in London which is 2hr round trip). After getting some MN advice and speaking to a BF counsellor I decided to introduce mix feeding so I can build up a bit of expressed supply. So last night M had a 5oz bottle with 3oz breastmilk and 2oz formula. Although he only drank 2oz he still slept from 11.15pm - 3am??

I wanted to exclusively feed him breastmilk and I know I can but I wouldn't really be able to go out for more than a couple of hours. I did think about all the potential downsides but I think the benefits outweigh them. I know its selfish of me but I feel happy about my decision and can enjoy breastfeeding M when I do.

M didn't want another feed this morning till 7am but from 5.30am he was in his moses basket moaning, grunting and crying out in his sleep so DH and I couldn't sleep. I am seriously thinking of transferring him to his own room sooner rather than later - I might invest in one of those breathing monitors instead as the extra sleep would be worth it!!

Have good days all. x

ceebee M is sick in his moses basket all the time, as far as I know they are very unlikely to choke as they have very good gagging reflex. Also don't feel bad that you didn't hear him be sick as its just coming back up, its not like when we are sick and heaving and making lots of noise!! (Hence why I often have baby sick down my back and don't realise it )

Morning.
Good to see MerryM posting.
Love Misdee's photos. She looks like a mini-Misdee, doesn't she ?
Daisy, I am going to Brighton on wed. To see my bruv. and to go to Bravissimo. I mUST get a nursing bra.
Ceebee, and others, good luck, on the solo stint.
All this talk of resuming relations. Dh and I both want to. But haven't managed to get anywhere near it. When are we supposed to fit that in, then ?
So, its me , Sparkle and Rosa in the 'non-sleeping' camp then , is it ? anyone else ?
Dh said this morning 'This is a strain'. No kidding.
He is still doing the 10pm shift Dozy, which takes him until 11.30 or midnight. Then I am up from 12, or 1am - 6am.

I have to keep reminding myself that I did want a second child. And that he is a poppet. And thta there is nothing actually wrong with him. No reflux or anything medically serious.
But my love is waining.
I haven't had the rush of love thta I had with ds1. I feel very little for ds2. which saddens me a great deal. I hope my love for him 'grows'.
I think that is just the strain.

merry just wanted to say that DD1 was exclusively breastfed and had reflux. It is supposed to make it less severe, though not always.
Gaviscon didn't really help DD1- it made her puke and she didn't like having anything put in her mouth, so got very distressed- SHe didn't take a bottle until after she was weaned at 6months+, but I'd at least give it a go, it may work for you.

Glad your daY IS GOING well ceebee. Sorry I didn't reply to yuo about meeting up- I think prolly best to do this in New Year?

choco hope your new plan goes well for you.

oblomov you are only human! I'm sure the big love will come when things are more relaxed for you. I Worried abotu this sometimes with DD1, because it was so difficult, and my feelings would come and go but it passed and I fell very much in loove with her, and as I say, I really enjoyed having the two dinkies at home with me.

ceebee, max was sick im his moses basket, this morning. all plastered in his hair. i never heard a thing. i think we will both get in the bath soon.