March 2007- approaching their second christmas already!

[SuperSillyus]

Here we are, finally made it to another thread.

Congratulations Sponge, that's exciting! How do you feel? Rotten?

Auntgriselda, Hasan is feeding loads! Usually wakes at 5.30 for leisurely breakfast, then mid morning snack, afters for lunch, mid afternoon snack, afters for tea, supper, evening snack, midnight snack. Ooh he's a so and so.

When I tried to cut him down he became more demanding at night He really howls if I turn him down So I haven't the heart turn him down (for now - am a softy walkover!)
The thing is I'm available and on tap all day and all night.
I'm resigned to going cold turkey because I think if I try to do it gradually it will prolong the agony. At the moment he eats well but not alot.
Once I stop he'll eat loads like his brother I think.

But keeping going until he is two if I can.

Still co sleeping with Hasan and ds2. They cuddle up together -very cute. I'm planning to eventually relocate to my own bed in the next few months too.

Cor really can't imagine having another little one now

No idea what to get him for Christmas......

Hasan never misses his naps, sometimes he has two, if he does he'll be up until all hours but he usually goes off to sleep around 8 or so.
So I sometimes get an hour or two in the evening of peace. Then he wakes 3/4 times in the night for little snacklets.
I've been sleeping in the bed with Hasan and ds2 and I've recently started to go to sleep in my own bed, but then climb back in with them to feed so everynight is like musical beds here at the moment, I never know which bed I'm in and ds2 was up last night because he was missing having me in with him

Hasan doesn't bite but he does throw things and hits people. He is hectic at the moment. Trashing everything. His latest cute thing to say is 'not me'

They are so cute at this age but so troublesome. He can open the front door but he doesn't go out, he opens it to let the cat out and closes it again

Jay Im on FB but can't recall wht your RL name is - cn you tell me your initials and I will check and say Hi over ther!

You are always welcome hre - how is it going?

Super et al - the Fat Toddler often misses his daytime naps now, just depends really

hey there peeps

Its Janet, i don't mind giving my real name, i don't say anything on here that i don't or wouldn't say in RL!! - at least not yet

things here are ok, as ok can be. Like i briefly mentioned J is still a pain in the bum, he has one, 2 hr nap at about 1 ish, then he goes to bed by 7, which by all accounts is good ( i have ALLWAYS done a bedtime routine, for my sanity!)
but
then at any time between 10ish and 1 ish he will wake and scream, scream and scream. he never lets up, he stops momentarily for breath then starts again, he can be deep as deep in sleep and the next minute be screaming....we are trying to find out if he has sleep apnea,i have noticed on the occasion when i have had him in with me, that he stops breathing in then when he realities, he takes in his deep breath and immediately screams... peads appoint next week. He has never ever woken up quietly. His behavior is so very disruptive and aggressive, he fights with other two kids, hes antagonistic and very strong willed, picking on C and H alike. He is a mystery! We thought he may have had hearing probs, but investigation showed it was ok, he does have a build up of fluid with an ear infection every cpl of mths, but i think grommits are in order for that....

anyway Cooper has had suspect chicken pox , i say suspect because no one can really tell me, he has also had this novavirus which gave us a weeks worth of poo and sick (nice)

and Harriette is, well, great...still one out of three isnt bad

more catch up soon!

Jay I have set you a Babybook request on FB from the Fat Toddler

Sorry to hear about Jay's sleep problems - he sounds as though he is in a lot of discomfort or maybe scared. Is sleep apnea the same as sleep paralysis? SP is when you sudenly have a fit and can't move its very scarey (I used to get it when a chid but grew out of it)

Good luck with the appt next week - hope thy can shed some light on the cause xxx

Jay I have also sent you a babybook request (to you, because I don't know how to invite Jensen!)

I have a DD whose name starts with T

My DD1 used to have night terrors. Could this be part of Jensen's problems?

Jay that sounds hard going. I hope you get some answers soon.
I went through that kind of thing with ds2 but he was younger 9-10 months until about 13 months. The problem with him was terrible excema which would wake him but then I felt he was angry and not wanting to settle in the cot. I would be up and down for hours trying to settle him, him screaming, dd being woken up too, me suicidally screaming down the phone to dh at 2am because he was never there(shudders at the memory) It was the hardest time of my life!

I hadn't co-slept with ds2 until I tried that approach with the night problems when he was 13 months and it did the trick so had him in beside me for about 10 months until he was about two. No idea what you should try but that's what worked for us.

Thanks ladies for your thoughts and advice. Anything is so gratefully received. I could go on about the sh*t appointments i have had with the community pediatrician, but i wont, needless to say his opening comment was ' oh my children didn't sleep either...' NOT what i want to hear from the 'professional' especially as his kids are now married with their own kids, i mean really...!!!

I speak to the HV at least once a month praying they might have something else i can try...but to no avail. Although they are supposed to be having a new pead lady soon, so am waiting for an appointment with her.

The sleep apnea is about the child not breathing , momentarily then inhaling sharply with a very deep breath ( very loose description) One time when J WAS in bed with me (that's another story) he did it quite a few times, and each time he did, it woke him up screaming..... it might be a possibility.

The other thing i was thinking was ADAH. Can you get this in someone so young? Anyway, its down to his behavior. He is so 'hyper' he never sits still, his concentration is limited, he is noisy ALL the time, very disruptive with my other two, he has started to pinch and push, and when you tell him that what he is doing is wrong, he starts with this single yell, and it goes on and on and on... this type of thing i know is done for a reaction, becasue if he doesn't get his way with anything, he starts doing it. I try to just ignore it now, but it hasn't made any diff yet. He cry's a LOT of the time, wants me, then doesn't want me...theres a whole heap more that i could write down but this will do for now! He is so difficult, you just can not reason at all with him.

As for his speech, i am not sure in the 'general' sense how he is doing, but with my own experiences his speech is taking for ever to develop. Its very 'slurred' and he is still only really saying odd words. I try and get him to repeat words and sentences all the time, but he seems like he cant be bothered....

As for the co sleeping, he is not a big fan. We never did it as small babies and so now i think - to the kids, it doenst feel right. On many occasions i have tried to bring him into bed, normally when i cant bear the screams anymore, and i have tried EVERYTHING else, but he snuggles down for about a minute, then he wants to get up. I persevere for a while - but then end up getting frustrated and putting him back in his cot....which is when the screams happen again, anything form 5 mins to 3 hours.....

I thought about night terrors,can they have them from birth, because he has been like this FOREVER...never slept well and ALWAYS ALWAYS woke up crying /screaming.......

Last night was no exception other than he has a bug now also and was sick three times....no sleep for me, running on empty today

Thanks for the FB adds, i am off to accept

Jay I wouldn't worry about his speech, Hasan isn't saying loads yet, they are still young.
Don't underestimate how many babies you have there, you have three very close together so you were going to have your work cut out for you even if the children had no difficulties and of course children do tend to have various difficuties!

Do the bare minimum, sleep deprivation is horrific so go easy on yourself. Things will get easier bit by bit.
D

thanks

Hi jay
Sorry, can't be of much help but like ss says go easy on yourself, you've got it very tough atm. When my third was born my first had not long turned three and it was hard.

I know how bloody frustrating consultants etc can be, hang on in there!

Did you mean ADHD? They won't dx so early (My DS2 has it but I can't remember what he was like at this age ). My DD does a lot of hitting, pinching and biting, then throws massive tantrums, and she doesn't have to share me.

I do sympathise.

Oooh I feel really poorly

oh dear, has the bug got to you as well??

its on its second time round in our house

Hope you feel better soon!

that bug is awful... I have never felt so rotten as when Kate and I had it. She also got it twice - endless bloody cleaning, washing, consoling.

I have so many doubts about "professionals" opinions on speech development because these little beings are changing so much on a minute-by-minute basis. There is no "normal" at this stage - if you lined all our babies up side by side I bet you couldn't order them in their age according by what they can do. Similarly if you include the siblings too .

Jay, good luck with finding a solution for your difficulties with J. Kate sounds very similar to CW's dd and I have moments where I wonder whose child she is. My mum suggested ADHD when she was over... I wanted to kill her for labelling my child. Who knows... but I get glimpses of lovely things in her which I try to treasure. I've been having problems with her going to sleep lately and the best bit of advice I have been given is to relax... which is something this control-freak finds hard to do... but I find her so much manageable if I tell myself over and over not to worry.

We'll all get there!!

Hey Kitty - is this (scroll down a bit to the "view from a mother of 6") you?

aye

hey well done kitty xxx

I'm not really a media tart .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................. alright then I am,BUT it was callie's fault. She put me up to it and I was too weak(attention seeking) to resist

(sniggers quietly in the corner)

Seriously Kitty, I knew you'd be great, and I was right.

I know there was something I was going to ask for advice on, and now it's slipped my mind totally. Early onset Alzheimers, or late onset motherhood? Actually, not very late onset glass of wine probably to blame.

kittty you and kids looking trés gorgeous!
Phew
Emmy been in hospital on IV due to the bug. 50x in 2 days she was very dehydrated.
Home today much brighter
Scary though she was floppy and non responsive
I was freaking out.
But she ok now...

he he callie

piffle poor you and Emmy. it's horrible when they are really poorly, you must have been worried sick.
How is she feeling now?

LOL Callie!!

Piffle that's terrible - how is she now (and you?). Must've been very frightening (((hugs to you both)))

Kitty you lot look great there

Piffle that must have been so stressfull, glad she's okay now.

Well Hasan is is torturing me for bf at night. The other night was particularly bad so last night when I was putting him to bed I said 'don't be waking mummy tonight!' and he said 'no me sorry' which of course melted me, precisely because he doesn't say alot. He surprises me every so often. (But he still woke me for bf!)

The other day he broke wind and announced 'fart' that's what happens when you have a teenage boy in the house! It wasn't me officer

SS Hassan sounds very cute but the night time feeds are crappy, poor you. i just refuse to get oout of bed, actually I use ear plugs!! But Ron sleeps through nearly every night anyway......no day time sleep though, I hasten to add, before you belt me!!!

Well from hideous grumpy baby he has turned into the sweetest little boy. He is very gentle, does not hit, pinch, bite etc.
Shares nicely, cuddles others when they are hurt.
I have had a chronic cough for about 2 months now and Ron spends most of his time patting my back, bless him.

kiwi, how's the running coming along? I managed my first 5k the other day, v. pleased with myself!