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pacita · 08/11/2008 14:56

I thought I'd start a new thread before we run out of space...

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notcitrus · 11/11/2008 21:43

My pumping ability varies wildly, from almost nil in 20 min to 140ml in that time...
Last 2 nights when my painful breasts have woken me up, I've ended up expressing loads (80ml from each in under 20 min!) which makes them feel better as at least they aren't engorged as well as having shooting thrush pains.

A had his 8-week jabs yesterday (disrupting him in the middle of feeding) and slept most of the day afterwards, which is probably why he was so cranky - I think if he sleeps too much in the day he's too tired to feed properly and gets even more distressed. He was much better today.

lollyheart · 11/11/2008 21:45

After i get the 2 oz i cant get anymore at all.
I dont feel a let down so i have no idea when my milk comes back in.
i try a hour later and only get a few squirts out iykwim.
When fraser feeds after i have expressed can he still get milk?

lollyheart · 11/11/2008 21:52

notcitrus when you express for 20mins does the milk flow for all off that time?
it takes just 5 mins to get the 2oz but then stops flowing.

notcitrus · 11/11/2008 22:06

lolly - there's sometimes a couple minutes when nothing happens, but usually it is pretty constant. But then after 20 min-ish it will pretty much stop unless it's been coming really fast.

ninja · 11/11/2008 22:33

Mine slows considerably prety fast - I normally get most of it in 5 mins, but then M only feeds for 5 or 10 on each side (unless she's having an extended comfort suck!)

Debs I woudn't worry - enjoy the cuddles. Cuddling a baby can never be a bad habit, and your lo will be learning to feel secure and that she doesn't need to cry and cry to get attention.

foxytocin · 12/11/2008 06:57

alright you lot who are insisting om expressing. i think it is madness. this from a woman who expressed for a year after returning to work.

to me it is another chore when you may as well have a lie down and leave your dc attached and let them cluster feed be it 5pm or 5 am. (dd2 cluster feeds from about 4/5am till about 6/7) but then she has a good spell in the bouncy chair / rug and i can get in the shower or start bkfast.

if there is a time your baby reliably sleeps, you can 'build in' a feed. say, an hour after your baby has had his last feed, and is asleep, you can express.

it takes about a week to build it up.

the first night express for 30 mins even if you only get 10mls.

the second night, the same.

by the third night you should get an appreciable amount in about 20 mins. keep expressing for another 10 mins though for the extra stimulation.

by the fifth night you should get 2 letdowns. the second one may only be say 1/2 an oz but it will look different from the first letdown. (thicker and slightly different colour, the so-called hindmilk.)

by the 7th night you will probably get as much as you will get in any given pump session but in about 10 mins or less in my experience.

also, after the flow stops, go around your breast massaging out the last of the milk from your ducts. you can collect appreciable amts like this.

don 't worry if your dc wakes up during or shortly after pumping. just feed for a bit longer. breasts are never empty. honest. they'll make milk as long as they are being stimulated.

another strategy is to express while your baby is feeding from one side and you express simultaneously from the other. it means you are building a feed for the pump on one side and keep your lo feeding for longer on the other side so the body starts to increase production on the other side.

there. said my bit.

foxytocin · 12/11/2008 07:07

glad you like my quote debs methinks you are right.

it is my birthday today and i have a cold. [grr] on top of dh being away.

btw, t'is his birthday today too.

for whoever said it: feeding to sleep is not a bad habit. let it continue till you are happy with it. bm has hormones that help mum and baby fall asleep. it is normal for them to fall asleep while feeding.

the day you want to change it, let someone else put them to bed if you are too soft to not feed to sleep. from around one yr old i would leave dd with dh if necessary and he'd do it. v little tears were involved and it caused no 'confusion' for her. if i was there she happily fed to sleep. if not there she went to sleep without it. for me it was a quick slatternly no fuss way of sending her off. then i got back to MN life.

plusonemore · 12/11/2008 07:56

oh bugger...bad night last night, Alfie just wouldn't settle til 3.45am. And I thought we were doing so well!!! There def seems to be a pattern that if he doesnt sleep much in the day he doesnt sleep much at night. Fingers crossed for today!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 12/11/2008 08:31

Happy Birthday Foxy

It's a complete bummer that your dh is away on both your birthdays, but hopefully you can make up for it when he gets back.

Here's a birthday cake for you (ILTMIMI passes a lush looking Victoria Sponge Foxy's way.)

foxytocin · 12/11/2008 08:35

thanks for the cake. have you seen my email?

SunflowerNeedsSunshine · 12/11/2008 09:25

Happy birthday foxy! hope the cold clears soon

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 12/11/2008 09:25

I've got your emails Foxy

DS only woke for one feed in the night last night. WOO HOO! However as my body clock has adjusted to his night time wakings, I was awake (with huge great tender boobs) and he wasn't!! So even though I probably did get more sleep than usual I feel like a complete space cadet this morning!

foxytocin · 12/11/2008 09:33

moveit

oh you expressing boffins, if after every pump session you wait 10 mins or so then start to express again, you may get another appreciable amt in a few mins.

i used a lactaline btw but some get on fine with a manual if feeding on one side and expressing with the other or using 1/2 the double pump.

ninja · 12/11/2008 09:48

Hi foxy I express so I can go out (not to try and stop the cluster feeding - do that too!) Oh yes and I want to make sure that M CAN take a bottle (DD1 never could and so put on NO weigjht in the 3 months after I went back to owrk, despite me expressing every day)

Trying to go to the cinema with M this morning - I hope she likes James Bond!

foxytocin · 12/11/2008 09:50

ahem, dd1 took a bottle till round 10 wks then became a total refusnik so be warned/informed...

MelT76 · 12/11/2008 10:15

So last night...

Feed at 6.30, bath at 8 then to bed for little C. Told DP if he didn't wake, to wake him at 11 for his last feed. Anyway, got woken by C not being able to breath properly cuz of his cold at 4, not making hungry noises like usual!!

DP said he hadn't had a feed at 11 so I got him up for a feed as I felt guilty, like I was starving him.
Then he slept til 8 this morning.

I feel so much better for a full nights sleep

MelT76 · 12/11/2008 10:16

Oh.... Happy Birthday foxy

ninja · 12/11/2008 10:19

Oh yes and HAPPY BIRTHDAY Foxy

ninja · 12/11/2008 10:21

That's why I'm getting her to have a bottle frequently - I reckon there's more chance foxy If not I'm not going to the Manchester Meet Up!

hopefully · 12/11/2008 11:30

someone please reassure me about my malnourished baby! took him to be weighed today, and his weight is just below the 50th line, having been 75th since just after birth. HV asked 'are you bottle feeding yet?' before weighing him, but didn't pressure me to start or anything, although she did say we could talk about it if he's not gaining...

happy birthday foxy!

we had another 2.5 hours awake at 4am this morning. he used to settle so welll after that feed, is v annoying.

foxytocin · 12/11/2008 11:38

mothers grow babies to the size they can give birth to.

some babies catch down to the size they are supposed to be. it is better to consider the relative size if both parents before deciding where on the chart a child ought be. also, over a period of several weeks, not over a couple of weighs, to see if a child is settling onto a different curve other than birth %ile.

lollipopmother · 12/11/2008 11:45

Happy Birthday Foxy! Love your profile pic by the way!

Elizabeth's wetsuit came yesterday so we're off swimming today, quickly followed by her 8w check and jabs, oh the joy!

charitygirl · 12/11/2008 12:43

lollipop - good idea to do something nice BEFORE the jabs. Frank has justr had his and he is definitely a bit unsettled now, poor wee man. he is giving me brave little smiles tho. LOVE!

hopefully - why on earth would you need to give him a bottle (ranting at your HV, not you)?? You know your supply is adequate...grrr, that annoys me! Foxy is totally right, it is normal to move up or down the centiles over time. You gave birth to a large baby so its quite normal for him to catch down.

We also had wakeful times after feed last night. VERY dispiriting.

digitalgirl · 12/11/2008 13:16

hello all! and happy birthday Foxy

Last Saturday was also my first 'date' with DH since the birth. We went to see James Bond and left my sister with Alfredo who was contentedly asleep upstairs and only woke 3 minutes before we got home (so didn't need any of the EBM in the freezer).

Made it down to Brighton on the Sunday for lunch with the outlaws. DFIL snatched A off me again when I said, 'Now lets turn you to face your grandpa' without asking DFIL's hands were round DS and he was whisked away. Was thankful we'd just had an hour long feed. Couldn't say anything because DFIL is 89 years old and this was his second time to see DS since he was born, but would be nice if he 'asked' for a hold.

Was absolutely knackered by Sunday night. Then the last couple of nights DS hasn't slept as well at night as he had last week. Despite feeding him for at least an hour before bed he's still waking up within an hour of going down and wanting to feed for another hour again. I thought his growth spurt was last week...seems he's having a growth spurt month.

hopefully · 12/11/2008 13:34

Glad your trip was OK too DG - I had similar things (repeated ad infinitum) from relatives wanting to hold T.

Thanks for the reassurance about the malnourished baby! I couldn't see how he could be suffering, as the only time he has to actually shout for a feed is in the middle of the night - the rest of the time he is fed when he wakes from his nap, and half the time he's gazing merrily round until I offer him a feed, so he's obviously not starving for it.
I am anticipating problems as he gets bigger though - already if there's a loud noise or people come into the room he wants to pull off and look around. I have visions of him being one of those babies that can't pay attention for a whole feed in a couple of month's time.

My mother's going home again today, but I only have to survive 2 days and then it's the weekend and DP can help me again - I'm fine except those 2 hours awake at 4:30am are soooooo draining.

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