we did it, we did it, the babies are here, now come and join us and we will give you a cheer!!!!

[Dozymare]

Hope this works

thought i would start a thread for those of us already in the heady World of motherhood, so we can share the trials and tribulations of the early days....

I shall start with my birth story and hope other's follow and I haven't started a dud thread

As you know I was dreading a 3rd CS, almost to the point where I was having panic attacks - we went in on the Thursday and after waiting for an EMC we were taken to theatre where I was DELIGHTED to recognise the aneathatist (sp!!) who helped deliver DS2. Now, one of my major fears about a 3rd CS was the fact that having had a "perfect" excperience with DS2, it6 wouldn't be possible to experience the same thing again...I was wroing, it was better The whole thing was started at 1315 and Tallulah was born at 1344 weighing 7lbs 2oz. She has a shock of dark hair but seems so small compared to the boys who were 9 and 10lbs respectively. The care I recieved was absolutely 2nd to none - no complaints or gripes.........So far so good.........

HOWEVER.........my god, do you forget the pain of breastfeeding before the milk comes in - I am in absolute agony and have had to top up with aptamil as the poor wee thing is so, so hungry...I am literally BF for up to 2 hours (the point of pain in both udders ) and then topping up with Aptamil. She guzzles 30ml and then settles.......As for sleep - sleep is for wimps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evening all Managed to read the thread yesterday but didn't get chance to post. Currently typing one-handed...
First of all congratulations to Choc on the safe arrival of baby boy and welcome to the dark side
Dozy Sounds like you made the right decision for you with bf and you sound so much happier.
Bf going a bit better for me, but we're still giving formula as a top-up last thing at night. I'm taking fenugreek capsules and homeopathic remedies to try to increase my milk supply. My doula brought round a breast pump today so I've been expressing too. Managed to express 1oz this afternoon so not too bad. DD had a good feed this morning at 8.30am and slept til 1pm so I think there is plenty of milk first thing, it just tails off later. I'm determined to stick with it though. DD is being weighed again tomorrow so hopefully will have put on a couple of ozs sice Sunday. We also have a hospital appt for her to be scanned to see what's going on with her kidney dilatation.
Bathtime - mw told me to wait until the cord dropped off. Is that right?
of obs being back in pre-pg clothes. I must admit I haven't tried yet. Yoga pants far too comfy
Glad everyone seems to be doing ok.

Ladies - my LO hasn't fed now for about 6 hours, he's just sleeping and I am a bit concerned about whether he should be feeding more often.... any advice??

sorry, i'm not really stalking you, just sensitised to your name in hte posts list i guess!

may be natural sleeping off the birth thing, but also loads of babies have some lvele of jaundice after birth. nhs link. call the ward you were discharged from and ask for advice from them is what we do in my area. or CMW, if you have a 24 hour contact number?

don't panic if it is, jaundice very easy treated with either daylight or lights in hospital cot. both mine had it.

ChocO, they shoud be feeding roughly every three hours. Could be he is still a bit zonked out from his journey into the world; Can you wake him up gently; change his nappy and see if you can get him interested?

If he is a bit jaundiced (and most of them have a bit of jaundice after a few days) this can make him even more sleepy but he needs to feed to clear the jaundice.

thanks daisy i think he might be confused by day/night as he's asleep all day and wants to feed all night. is there anyway of changing this? punctuation and grammer gone to pot typing one handed with lo on me!

Morning everyone Am just gatecrashing this thread as I have a question for Dozy and Ladybuzz

How did you/are you managing in respect of not picking up and carrying your 2 year olds?? Am quite worried about this (probably more than anything else ) as DS still wants to be carried up and down the stairs sometimes (depends on what mood he is in!) and will often just want to be picked up for a cuddle. I just feel saying no is going to push his nose even more out of joint but obviously I am going to have to.

I would really appreciate your experiences if you get a chance with your lovely newborns (either on here or on the AN thread!)

Sorry for the gatecrash - will soon be a fully-fledged member of this thread

Hey choc don't worry about your punctuation, spelling or grammar, have you seen mine sinve having Tiger??!!

it is quite common in the first couple of days for LO's to sleep after their journey into the World - however, as Daisy says, they do need waking to be fed - every 3 hours is what is recommended and the best way is to strip them back to their vests and keep taking them of the boob if they get to comfy and fall asleep! Tickling feet and stroking the cheek can also help......Tiger is 13 days today and still sleeps about 18 hours out of 24!!!

hOPE TAHT HELPS!

dmX

hI CEEBEE Crossed posts!! As you know, I had a CS...to be honestm, I am picking up DS2 (not carrying him up the stairs though) but if he wants a cuddle, I am picking him up to sit on sofa with him...in and out of his highchair etc etc. He knows my tummy is sore and actually being good at NOT jumping all over me, but in the early days, I got him to sit between my legs or next to me for cuddles and kisses. what I would say, is make sure that when you bring DS to see baby for the first time, that YOU ARE NOT BREASTFEEDING or CUDDLING the baby - I was BF and DS2 was VERY VEDRY funny about that, it's a cardinal sin! Also, have a present from the baby to give to big brother......worked a treat for my 2

how are oyu feeling otherwise??

Dozy thanks so much for responding so quickly! I guess it isn't as bad as I am thinking it will be - my memory has faded over the last 2 years I suppose it is only picking him up when standing that may be a problem - and tbh, he only weighs 28lbs ish so is not a big toddler anyway.

I have already wrapped up his present from the new baby and it is in the bottom of my bag (a Thomas carry case for all his trains) but thanks for the tip about not cuddling baby when he is due to arrive

I am ok - getting fed up and am v v uncomfortable due to my size - just can't wait for next Thursday

I am reading this thread when I get a chance and glad you feel happy about your decision to ff - I definitely believe in the happy mummy = happy baby saying

Btw, pop over to the AN thread for more baby news if you haven't already seen it this morning

CEEBEE remind me, are oyu having an elective CS??? If so, start taking Arnica this week (and even if your not, it's not a bad thing to take as helps with recovery)....

Also, it is quite good to keep reminding DS2 that baby will be here very, very soon (which I am sure you am doing anyway). As I knew I was going for a planned CS, i made sure that our last week was fiulled with lots of fun "MUMMY AND ds1 AND 2 things" as I knew form experience, that once baby arrived, I wouldn't be sdticking, gluing, drawing, running around the park as much! The transition to a family of 3 kids has been fab, the only downside is that until day before yesterday, DS2 was funny with me....glad to report he is back to his usual loving self

Hi guys.
Welcome ChocO and Rutho
Went to Kings yesterday. Dh drove me. Up at 5.30am after not too bad a night. ds crying with wind pain, but dh being a star and looking after him for hours, early evening, so I could do the 2 or 3 feeds in the middle of the night, mainly coherently

Prof happy with my blood sugars.
Saw Mr Patel. Max tongue was not clipped enought he first time and he clipped it again.

Prof said that the tongue tied was spotted. But hospital policy,. said didn't want to upset mum, so mum not told. She said she has discussed my case with mr marsh and this will not happen again. Policy to be looked at being changed.

WELL I AM SO FUCKING ANGRY< I COULD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually insulted by Prof. We like eachother, so how could she treat me like i was so stupid. Of course it was not spotted. Or if it was, as a pro bf hospital, with a mum struglling to feed, heal pricks and blood out of vein of babys hand, amking mum sob, due to thick blood and jaundice, due to not feeding properly. THEN it SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED PRIOR TO DISCHARGE.

Then my shit care , lack of staff.
The fact I should have been sterilised and was not.
The fact I had to wait 8 hrs for results, because there was only paed dr, instead of 4.

The fact that my MW was dismissive and said that the local midwife saying that the tongue tie was severe "probably it isn't severs, she prob hasn't seen theat many"
" yeah well atleast she saw it. More than you did, You incompetent bitch"

then snipped locally. but not enough.

I was sobbing down the phone to my dh and then my mum.

Fuck ME.
Having a hypoo and dropping Max.
Its not like I haven't faced enough.

And I feel this too. I feel like, wehn you guys read my posts, you think, "god, what has theat oblomov faced today" " what is she going to maon about today"

And I don't want that.

I could make a complaint against Kings.

But I need to let this go.
My anger. Becasue ds2 is three weeks. I phoned our surgery to make omy 6 week check up today - thyay had no appointments, so need to ring back.

But my mum said. Let this go. Precious times this. I MUST ENJOY Ds2, in these very special weeks.

Infact last night, I said to dh, I am going to get ds, and we are going to spend the whole day, anaked in bed together, skin-to-skin.

I MUST< I MUST< I MUST let all the shit go.
ANd enjoy my lovely lvbeoly son.

Please help me to do this,. Next time, I have a moan,. Stop me. and send some of ChocOs PMA

Anyway, alst night same. Dh looked after him and got his wind up, early evening.. I did the 2/3 middle of the night ones. And oumped. He is crying. he has wind. his tongue has already changed shape.

I think we are doing BLODDY WELL in the circumstances.

I bf publicly. At tescos. And then at Kings.

Ds2 has had 2 baths. One with me. The other 2 nights ago, with ds1. So sweet.

Is it a competition, to see who can have the FEWEST baths , in the first fortnight ?

So thats 2, in nearly 3 weeks for us.

And LOL at ChocO, not having a name. ChocO is so organised. How did this happen. that baby is still nameless. ha ha, this is well funny. On the An thread thsy have suggested some really nice names. Any close to a decision ChocO ?

Obs personally I think you deserve a medal i'm not surprised you are .
Don't feel bad about letting it all out on here.
But PMA you have had your problems but have a very beautiful son (well 2 really)x
Dozy UTI is improving I have managed 2 whole nights in bed without having to pace to ease the pain! ( . ) ( . ) still a bit sore but getting a whole lot better although I seem to leak whenever I bend over sorry TMI . Glad you are not having problems!
Welcome choco & rutho Ceebee I haven't really lifted DS but DH is still here to do that, he climbs onto my knee for a cuddle and I just try and encourage him to do everything else himself, if he complains I make it into a game!
Hi to everyone else

obs you are obviously carrying a lot of anger/resentment towards the way you and DS2 were treated. Perhaps the ONLY way for you to move forward, is to do something about it? perhaps write a letter?? Truly, you are a trooper having been put through the mill the way you have. Am very on your behlaf that they decided NOT to tell you about TT. That is obscene and not on.

Yeah choc stop keeping us in suspense, we want to welcome minichoco properly!!!!

slummymmummy alert Tiger is sparko. However, she has done a stinky poo. Should I wake her to change it, or wait until her next feed??????? Did this yesterday and she was then VERY unsettled and didn't go back to sleep......

dozy, leave her.
put me down on the bad mummy list

Dozy, I am ashamed to admit that mine stay in theirs for ages. It is just too difficult to keep changing every time they poo (even tho ds1 got that treatment). They don't seem to be getting nappy rash, it is amazing how much the nappy absorbs. I would def not wake her and wait till she is next awake/ hungry.

Lacks, sorry my stitches were sore for 10 weeks (and even bleeding after toilet trips, which apparently was 'acceptable'). They weren't infected though, just taking a long time to heal(I did have bad tearing). However, you could go to doc to get examined, they may be infected. My friend recently was feeling pain and doc gave her antibiotics, said they were a bit infected.

Obs, that is terrible, I am not surprised you are angry. I would write a letter and get it out of your system and then try and let it go, but don't be surprised if it's hard. It took me 2 years to let go of my terrible treatment at ds1's birth! (But I am a bit of a 'hanger on' ).

Ha, ha.
How often should you/ do you change nappies.
Is it becasue we are not first timers ?
I am sure that the first time, I changed it as soon as I heard a noise. Mostly that turned out to be farts, adn I was changing a completely dry, claen nappy.
After a SHORT time, I became complacent. Turned out I hadn't changed him for most of the day. Iopened up the nappy to find what appeared to be about 2 or 3 poohs and about 15 wees, which mad his nappy feel like he had weed mopre than 1/2 a pint. I am astonished the poor little lad was able to even MOVE witht hat much waste products attached to his bottom, for HOURS AND HOUIRS.
Ha ha.

Or is that just ME then

This time, I am trying to get to get a balnce. Not too often. Not leaving it too long.

Thanks, for messages, MerryM and Dozy.
i too am a hanger on. Find it hard to forgive. But I must. Hoping that letting it out on MN will help.

MerryM, Mw told me that bf babies pooh "constantly". And that I shouldn't even bother to try and keep up, change after every pooh, because it was impossible. Just 'often and regularly', was her advice.
Seems sensible, think. Actually for all babies, bf or formula.

A bit of shit on your ass, for a time, never hurt anyone

Obs you are an inspiration to everyone on this thread the amount of stuuf you have gine through. Don't ever think that we don't want to hear what you have to say. One of the biggest points about these MN threads is support, a kindly word and above all a listening ear

Am also on your behalf that they are saying they spotted it but did nothing. Definately you should get something in writing about this about how distressed you were at the time and how the level of care was unacceptable. But at the same time, I see the need to try and let it go as you don't want this precious time to be overshadowed. {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}} to you and your lovely DS.

I did the full nappy thing in the middle of the night last night too , but after two and a half hours constant feeding and him finally going to sleep I certainly wasn't about to wake him up again!!

ChocO, the night feeding thing is normal. The levels of hormones involved in milk production are higher at night and babies feed more as a result. Harks back to our caveman hunter/gatherer days I think. It does settle down though for most babies (note I said most babies, not all )

Not sure if there is a birth stats thread...so I've done one here

Add yourself and baby (babies) to the list

MW came over this afternoon.......

any fears I had over Fin's latching and consumption are unfounded; the little bloater has put on 9.5ozs since Friday .

He still hurts me when latching on though

does anyone else have a problem with their MW?
i thought maybe at first it was just me being all hormonal and a ickle bit self conscience(?spelling), but DP noticed it too.
I live in a block of flats and MW said things like oh, the stairs are very grubby, and i wonder how many of these are council flats!(we rent privately)
then, when she came into imo VERY TIDY flat (seeing as i have just had baby like 5 days ago, been home 4)commented on the cats and the cups on the table!(cats were in their beds in the corner, not on table btw)
and then went onto telling me that i was feeding my baby too much (feed on demand baby, about 2-3oz a feed) that her clothes should fit her properly, and i shouldn't be "lounging around" i should be "active and dressed for the day ahead!"
and this was just the first MW that visited, todays one gave off similar comments. I am soooooo f*ed off, but just wondering if i would be over-reacting by complaining?