Sept 08 - Is it day or night?

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Hope no one minds me starting a new thread?

I just have to tell everyone how proud I am of my lil boy, he just managed to roll over. and we even had a giggle when he had finished eating.
he's getting his own personality now. as far a routines go we don't reall ave one, not that I've enforced anyway.
but elli's day geneally goes, wake up at around 7am feed, back to sleep, then every 2 hours feed, until about 6-7pm when he cluster feeds, or cries also has his colic/tummy pain, until around 9-10 pm we go to bed poor dh in his camp bed while elli and I take over the big bed. elli falls asleep on the breast at around 11pm, then its 3-4 hour feeds, but he is really quite good at going back to sleep quickly.
He is a velcro baby but hoping when he reaches 12 weeks he'll get better and at least sleep in moses basket for a short while. but if he doesn't then so be it, right now he's happiest being next to me or held and jiggled, afterall I had him and need to make him happy first and foremost. this is what works for us and i've excepted that. and I've realised that whats best for him is best for us at the mo. and not to stress the small things life is too short, and he wont stay little for long, so I just want to make him happy
take care all xxxxx

Digitalgirl, that sounds just like Katie. I tried getting her to sleep on her own a couple of weeks ago with no joy. Now that she's three months it's going so much better and for the last two days she's slept really well for naps in her cot and fallen asleep on her own with just a bit of crying. I think some babies just take longer to be ready to sleep on their own.

hello everyone!

just in from celebrating our new president! I am sooooooo happy. I don't think I've ever been this proud of Americans before!

Anyway, I have stopped expressing and gone back to just on the breast feeding. not exactly excited about it since my life was soo much easier with just expressing and then being able to use the bottle while out. guess I'll mf as a last resort, but i haven't had to go down that route yet. i really hope i won't have to.

anyone else having problems with their milk supply?

barnpot that sounds lovely, but I would think so because it's very similar to our routine (or lack of), in fact, you could just substitute Starlight and Baby Starlight in your post and that would describe us.

Sorry to hear DD1 still isn't walking yet foxy. Hope she recovers soon!

eandz Seriously, there is nothing wrong with your body's ability to satisfy Noah. You've done so well so far.

Expressing exclusively CAN reduce your supply a bit in that NOTHING is effective as your baby sucking, but give him a couple of days and all should be right.

If not, call a helpline.

Typical feeding should be like this now:

7am - 7pm ish feeding every 2-3 hours. Boobs possibly feeling little fuller and feeding comfortable

7pm - 11pm ish feeding semmingly constantly. Boobs feel emptyish, a teeny bit sore towards the end, and a general feeling of being mauled.

11pm -7am ish feeding every 3-4 hours for shorter periods. No idea what boobs feel like as just trying to sleep!

If this is even vaguely your experience everything is normal and fine.

hth

barnpot sorry, I meant 'almost' the same. Baby Starlight isn't rolling anywhere.

Congratulations

I'm well impressed with rolling babies! Katie will move across the bed to get to me and can get on her side, but no rolling yet.

Eandz, I#m sure there's no problems really with your supply but if you'd like, I have a half a jar of fenugreek capsules left which I'd be happy to send you. A week of taking those when I had problems in the beginning really helped boost my supply.

Eandz - echoing everyone else re: your supply, so long as you haven't gone on a crazy diet to lose the weight?

why do you think your milk supply is low? is noah putting on weight? peeing and pooing?

Obama as president can't really believe it thought the kkk types (sorry if that offends but i think you know what i mean) would keep him out. Lets hope he lives up to the hype.

Is anyone else totally pi**ed off with these fireworks? My dog is cowering and won't leave my side. She even sat on my knee whil;st I fed Robyn. She is a 25 kilo bassett hound so there wasn't much room.
I do like bonfire night it's just round here it lasts for over a week and you hear one or two every day at about 2pm.

Kagey sorry to hear about you grandad. My gran died when i was 20 weeks pregs, she had dementia so we hadn't got round to telling her. I miss her so much and really wish she had known about Robyn. She would of been 90 yesterday so i am taking Robyn to see the grave when we get a day without thick rain.

Deb DP and I are sat here giggling at the thought of having to console a massive bassett hound by putting it on your lap! You've made my night!

Rolling babies? I didn't think that happened for ages! T isn't remotely interested in rolling over, although he has developed an interesting wiggle while flat on his back, which makes him pivot around his bottom. Is v entertaining, and he gets thoroughly over excited when he does it, and then bursts into tears with the emotion of it all (he frequently cries when he's been smiling for a while - think his little body is getting used to emotions!)

I agree with starlight re regular feeding. I'm convinced that the reason I don't have any problem with my supply (T goes 3 hours between feeds during the day, with one 3.5 hour stretch, then feeds at 6pm, 10:30pm and 4am) is because he was permanently attached in the early days. It made me want to jump out of the window, but I'm sure I'm benefiting from it now. Not that I think anyone is suffering through fault of their own! I wouldn't have fed him that often if he hadn't demanded it, and for some people the constant feeding probably has to go on a lot longer to keep supply up. I have also decided that a constant intake of custard creams is essential.

When I say 3 hours between feeds, I actually mean 3 hours from start of feed to start of feed, so more like 2 hours 2 mins between feeds.

I am sat here cringing that every loud firework going off is going to wake ds - aarrgghh.

Enough already!

I know- when I was settling T earlier he'd just about nod off and a firework would wake him! Luckily now he's soundly asleep (for the second night in a row during usual colic period) he seems to be sleeping through them.

Yay for the reduction in colic symptoms. Well done T and Hopefully

hopefully I know that you and i have a very similar routine, but we do a ff at 10:30pm and ds only goes to around 3ish, so don't' switch in the hope that it will solve all your problems! And last night he was still awake at 5am. yaaaaawn. His cluster feed is 3, 5 and 7am! I am not amused. So I get a four hour stretch from 11pm-3am and then its anyone's guess what happens after. Last night dh and I swapped sides of the bed in the end and he just kept shoving that dummy back in!

Ds has had two baths again today, and a lot of poking to keep him awake for stretches during the day. He could actually sleep all day and be awake all night.

Got the fluconazone for thrush today, doc didn't even ask me any questions, just took my word for it and prescribed the same dose as I had last time! I'm glad I've had ponymum's warning about the effect on ds's tummy, as I'd given up bf last time so it never reached dd. I've got drops for ds's mouth too, and cream for his bum and my bits. Oh the joys. I'd finally stopped taking lactulose and applying anusol to my piles, then it was remembering two different types of antibiotics at 4 different times of the day for a week. Now this. I feel like a walking pharmacy!

Yesterday I went to a baby shower, found out another friend had had a baby, found out someone else had lost hers at 11 weeks, and that a friend who had a mmc in fact had a molar pregnancy where the placenta had become like a cancerous growth. There's nothing easy about this baby making thing is there?

Routine?......

...becaroo laughs hollowly.........

Its anyones guess when Toby will feed at the moment...I'm hoping its the fabled 6 week growth spurt (?)

He usually takes 5-6 oz each feed and has 6 to 7 feeds per 24 hour period. Mostly 7.
He goes 3 to 4 hours between feeds during the day...nighttimes are a bit of a nightmare tbh...no night is ever the same so when we have a "good" one it is inevitably followed by a bad one. eg: last night he fed at 9pm, 12am and 4am (but didnt sleep between the 9pm and midnight feed). The night before he went from 11pm til 5am.....dont know whats going on, just feeding him when he wants it at the moment.

Cant believe my little man is 6 weeks old tomorrow! this time 6 weeks ago I was strapping the TENS on!!

After a full day of being unable to settle C, she's only had 3 naps: 9.30am to 10.15 am and 2 x naps of about 20 mins in car to and from baby sensory class. I was dreading tonight as she would be so over tired but fed her at 5pm, went to asda to do shopping. She slept all round Asda and had top & tail and bottle at 7.30pm. She is now STILL asleep in her own basket for the first time in ages and I've watched an episode of heroes wthout pausing it! I can deal with an awake baby in the day if this is result. i just need to work out how to keep her happy during the day - I'm told this will come with time and she'll stop crying every time I put her down and I can finally get stuff done, and play with her. I have visions of baking and general house stuff with C happily gurgling away in her bouncer or on a mat, with us listening to music or singing lulabies etc etc...a bit Ma larkin!!

I've also come to the conclusion that I am a much better mama if we have plenty of routine and structure. It works for us and I'm happier so C is happier.

On a downside....I've worked out I go back to work in 5 months

becaroo can't believe that 7 weeks ago I was spending my first night alone in hospital with DD and that 7 weeks and one day ago i was in labour room asking for an epidural!

Anyone thought about having another one anytime soon then?? hehehe

Funny I was thinking today that I don't feel my family is complete yet...but at the same time I absolutely cannot contemplate another pregnancy and birth! I think two in 18 months is enough for the time being.
But who will be the first to be pregnant again???!

no danger of me being the first pregnant one - DP's not coming near me till i've at least stopped aching after going to the toilet (TMI)

in other news, we gave T an ebm to up last night. he was totally uninterested, but we forced an oz down and he didn't throw it up again. when he started grunting at 4:30am (usual time) I was so irritated i stuck him back on his side (he wriggles onto his back during the night), patted him a couple of times and decided to sit in bed until he was properly awake and complaining (bad mother). he grunted for another 10 mins, then wemt back to sleep. we did the same at 5:30 and 6:20-ish (sleep cycles?) and then woke him at 7 to feed. Result!
OK, so my sleep was totally interrupted anyway, but if we continue to be able to resettle him perhaps he'll stop coming into such a light sleep during his cycle (he is a virtually silent sleeper pre-4am).
I'm guessing it's ok not to feed him if he's not actually coming awake enough to demand it?

Who will be first to be pregnant again? Well if carrieon is a walking pharmacy so am I. But the one I seem to forget most often... you guessed it, my new little packet of contraceptives pills!! So based on that it will probably be me. Perhaps I need to introduce a routine just so I can remember my own medication.

I am considering not going for my 6 wk check. Can't see the point of it. Anyone feel like that?

I don't need to have a cringeworthy convo about contraception. I have managed all my adult life with the rhythm method and condoms and don't need to be condescended preached to about sex at nearly 40.

gawd, i am so obstreperous.

After going to my 6 wk check I agree Foxy All he did was feel my tummy ask a few q's then check Robyn's hips. I had put in my book that i wanted to talk about pnd (had it after 2nd child) but he wasn't having any of it and practicallt shooed me out of the door. The one at the hospital was better but not by much.
Getting pregnant again we are using condoms but they gave me thrush. Trying to get dp to have the snip and he wants me to get stirilized, apparently i said i would if we could have this one. Neither of us want another one but I am missing being pregnant and in the back of my mind am thingking I could do this again. When i know that i prob shouldn't
Never mind 3 gorgeous kids so I am going to wait for the grandkids. Only problem dd said she will wait until she is at least 25 and that is 12 years away. Might have to sneak one in before then

I have managed to pre-empt the insulting contraception discussion by making arrangements well ahead of time and making this clear in my notes. But can anyone explain why this is the one thing they are so fixated about? Why are they so worried about this ahead of every other possible post partum helath issue? It's as though getting pregnant again would be as terrible as catching the bubonic plague. I no understand.

There is a good cultural reasoning behind the contraception conversation, i suspect Ponymum. I recently read Birth and Breastfeeding by Michel Odent and he provided an answer. It is too deep to be discussing on a postnatal thread at this time of the day, i think.

Yes, I am obstreperous and a nerd.